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I just read on a British site a test on the Accord diesel they have there.
All Honda design 2.2 Liter turbocharged. Averaged over 77 miles ( not
km's) on a gallon. I figure in real life driving , should be good for at
least 50 mpg. They also have Civic and CRV diesels. Scott

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:42:30 -0400, "zonie" <sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote:

>I just read on a British site a test on the Accord diesel they have there.
>All Honda design 2.2 Liter turbocharged. Averaged over 77 miles ( not
>km's) on a gallon. I figure in real life driving , should be good for at
>least 50 mpg. They also have Civic and CRV diesels. Scott

Ah, that's probably a UK gallon

Nope. on a UK gallon it got 92 mpg. I will try to get the site for you to
look at. Scott

In article <23ce059c5626c8582629144c5ccc1163@localhost.talkab outautos.com>, "zonie" <sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote:
>Nope. on a UK gallon it got 92 mpg. I will try to get the site for you to
>look at. Scott

It's rated at 5.4 L/100km, 52.3 mi/imperial gallon, 43.5 mi/US
gallon. The 92 (or whatever) was from some press release from some
gimicky drive. Honda is good, but not THAT good.

Still really good in my book. Scott

Dave wrote:
>
> In article <23ce059c5626c8582629144c5ccc1163@localhost.talkab outautos.com>, "zonie" <sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote:
> >Nope. on a UK gallon it got 92 mpg. I will try to get the site for you to
> >look at. Scott
>
> It's rated at 5.4 L/100km, 52.3 mi/imperial gallon, 43.5 mi/US
> gallon. The 92 (or whatever) was from some press release from some
> gimicky drive. Honda is good, but not THAT good.

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actually I have been reading about the diesel and I am waiting for it to
come to the US before so I can purchase. Hopefully it will be engineered to
meet the new diesel emission standards
"zonie" <sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote in message
news:3381e533beb3ad8cbbe1a46879fbf91a@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>I just read on a British site a test on the Accord diesel they have there.
> All Honda design 2.2 Liter turbocharged. Averaged over 77 miles ( not
> km's) on a gallon. I figure in real life driving , should be good for at
> least 50 mpg. They also have Civic and CRV diesels. Scott
>

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 14:26:45 -0700, "Halo2 guy" <nobody@nothing.com>
wrote:

>actually I have been reading about the diesel and I am waiting for it to
>come to the US before so I can purchase. Hopefully it will be engineered to
>meet the new diesel emission standards

Don't hold your breath waiting for diesels to come over here.

I'm not too familiar with the "new diesel emission standards" but I
suspect that they are prohibitively strict...otherwise, we'd already
have a lot more diesel powered cars over here. Europe is awash in
diesels...just about every model of every car has a diesel option.
Interestingly, the diesel option is often the high performance option.
Alfa Romeo has some seriously fast diesels, particularly in the torque
department...really fast off the line.

Our problem is the fuel. We have really dirty diesel fuel in our
country. In Europe, they have cleaned up their diesel fuel
considerably. The governments require that the refineries really
clean the stuff up. The technology exists to really clean it up, but
it's expensive. The exotic diesel engine technology over there is
dependant upon this cleaned up diesel fuel. It may not be possible to
adapt this technology to our dirty fuel. Then you add in these new
diesel emission standards and it really makes things impossible.
Bottom line, our government, our oil industry, our auto industry, and
especially our fuel refining industry don't want diesel to take off
over here. They don't want to make the investment in clean diesel fuel
technology. And why would they ? The status quo is making them rich.
Cleaner air, better performance, better gas mileage, and the
consequent reduction in foreign oil dependancy all mean nothing when
compared to the bottom line: profits.
The industry will not clean up our fuel unless it is forced to do so.
And we all know that will not happen.
It's too bad.


Cheers, --N

noydb wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 14:26:45 -0700, "Halo2 guy" <nobody@nothing.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>actually I have been reading about the diesel and I am waiting for it to
>>come to the US before so I can purchase. Hopefully it will be engineered to
>>meet the new diesel emission standards
>
>
> Don't hold your breath waiting for diesels to come over here.
>
> I'm not too familiar with the "new diesel emission standards" but I
> suspect that they are prohibitively strict...otherwise, we'd already
> have a lot more diesel powered cars over here. Europe is awash in
> diesels...just about every model of every car has a diesel option.
> Interestingly, the diesel option is often the high performance option.
> Alfa Romeo has some seriously fast diesels, particularly in the torque
> department...really fast off the line.
>
> Our problem is the fuel. We have really dirty diesel fuel in our
> country. In Europe, they have cleaned up their diesel fuel
> considerably. The governments require that the refineries really
> clean the stuff up. The technology exists to really clean it up, but
> it's expensive. The exotic diesel engine technology over there is
> dependant upon this cleaned up diesel fuel. It may not be possible to
> adapt this technology to our dirty fuel. Then you add in these new
> diesel emission standards and it really makes things impossible.
> Bottom line, our government, our oil industry, our auto industry, and
> especially our fuel refining industry don't want diesel to take off
> over here. They don't want to make the investment in clean diesel fuel
> technology. And why would they ? The status quo is making them rich.
> Cleaner air, better performance, better gas mileage, and the
> consequent reduction in foreign oil dependancy all mean nothing when
> compared to the bottom line: profits.
> The industry will not clean up our fuel unless it is forced to do so.
> And we all know that will not happen.
> It's too bad.

Biodiesel is becoming more popular and available in North America - I
know there's at least one company producing and selling it here in the
Vancouver, BC area, at lower cost than regular diesel as added incentive.

From http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/faqs/default.shtm:
What is Biodiesel?
Biodiesel is the name of a clean burning alternative fuel, produced from
domestic, renewable resources. Biodiesel contains no petroleum, but it
can be blended at any level with petroleum diesel to create a biodiesel
blend. It can be used in compression-ignition (diesel) engines with
little or no modifications. Biodiesel is simple to use, biodegradable,
nontoxic, and essentially free of sulfur and aromatics.






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In article <9g1nh1pqd0uch0sq04s1p5mle6vfg473qk@4ax.com>, noydb <noydb@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 14:26:45 -0700, "Halo2 guy" <nobody@nothing.com>
>wrote:
>
>>actually I have been reading about the diesel and I am waiting for it to
>>come to the US before so I can purchase. Hopefully it will be engineered to
>>meet the new diesel emission standards
>
>Don't hold your breath waiting for diesels to come over here.

...

I agree with some of your post, not all. The auto companies are
already making plenty of diesels for the other markets, i.e. Europe.
So, contrary to your post, they'd like to be able to leverage that
capability to vehicles in the US. They are engaged with the gov'ts
on ways to make it happen.