Honda Car Forum

Charlie S <chasa@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> If you are talking about the "brake light" at the Door and Brake Lamp
> Monitor, it's a burned out tail light. Honda brake lamps are special
> so buy "Honda" lamps at AutoZone or whatever auto shop you go to.
>
I keep seeing this -
"Special"? How? If the number is right, the lamp is right. Correct me if I am
wrong.

Doug McCrary wrote:
> Charlie S <chasa@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:ulaje1lbmahlfa1ejvfm69k4arm1lhavm3@4ax.com...
>
>>If you are talking about the "brake light" at the Door and Brake Lamp
>>Monitor, it's a burned out tail light. Honda brake lamps are special
>>so buy "Honda" lamps at AutoZone or whatever auto shop you go to.
>>
>
> I keep seeing this -
> "Special"? How? If the number is right, the lamp is right. Correct me if I am
> wrong.


--------------------------

That's right. Honda tranny fluid is 'special', but a brake lamp is a
brake lamp. Honda doesn't manufacture brake lamps.

'Curly'

motsco_ _ <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in message
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> Doug McCrary wrote:
> > Charlie S <chasa@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > news:ulaje1lbmahlfa1ejvfm69k4arm1lhavm3@4ax.com...
> >
> >>If you are talking about the "brake light" at the Door and Brake Lamp
> >>Monitor, it's a burned out tail light. Honda brake lamps are special
> >>so buy "Honda" lamps at AutoZone or whatever auto shop you go to.
> >>
> >
> > I keep seeing this -
> > "Special"? How? If the number is right, the lamp is right. Correct me if I
am
> > wrong.
>
>
> --------------------------
>
> That's right. Honda tranny fluid is 'special', but a brake lamp is a
> brake lamp. Honda doesn't manufacture brake lamps.
>
> 'Curly'
>
Thanks, Curly.

Honda installs a relay in series with each Tail Light Bulb so the bulb
sees less than 12 volts. I did not intend to say that you have to buy
a bulb manufactured by Honda. A bulb intended for other than a Honda
would fit, but not have the correct brightness.

For other than a Honda tail light, if I had a burned out bulb I would
look in a box in my garage for a bulb that looked the same and it
would work.

Cheers
Charlie


On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:38:53 GMT, "Doug McCrary"
<DougMcCrary@spamcop.net> wrote:

>
>motsco_ _ <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>news:42EA2E53.7090609@interbaun.com...
>> Doug McCrary wrote:
>> > Charlie S <chasa@rcn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:ulaje1lbmahlfa1ejvfm69k4arm1lhavm3@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >>If you are talking about the "brake light" at the Door and Brake Lamp
>> >>Monitor, it's a burned out tail light. Honda brake lamps are special
>> >>so buy "Honda" lamps at AutoZone or whatever auto shop you go to.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I keep seeing this -
>> > "Special"? How? If the number is right, the lamp is right. Correct me if I
>am
>> > wrong.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>>
>> That's right. Honda tranny fluid is 'special', but a brake lamp is a
>> brake lamp. Honda doesn't manufacture brake lamps.
>>
>> 'Curly'
>>
>Thanks, Curly.
>

Charlie S <chasa@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> Honda installs a relay in series with each Tail Light Bulb so the bulb
> sees less than 12 volts. I did not intend to say that you have to buy
> a bulb manufactured by Honda. A bulb intended for other than a Honda
> would fit, but not have the correct brightness.
>
Not.
Spec'd lamps are standard. A 327 or whatever has a specified voltage, base
design, current rating, and output (candlepower) .
Honda can't change that unless they design their own lamp, with their own specs
(and number). I don't see where they have done that. If you have an example,
please post it.

> For other than a Honda tail light, if I had a burned out bulb I would
> look in a box in my garage for a bulb that looked the same and it
> would work.
>
> Cheers
> Charlie
>

Charlie S wrote:
> Honda installs a relay in series with each Tail Light Bulb so the bulb
> sees less than 12 volts.

eh? that's a new one on me! how does a relay drop the voltage to a
bulb??? by how much???? what's the purpose???

> I did not intend to say that you have to buy
> a bulb manufactured by Honda. A bulb intended for other than a Honda
> would fit, but not have the correct brightness.
>
> For other than a Honda tail light, if I had a burned out bulb I would
> look in a box in my garage for a bulb that looked the same and it
> would work.
>
> Cheers
> Charlie
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:38:53 GMT, "Doug McCrary"
> <DougMcCrary@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>
>>motsco_ _ <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>>news:42EA2E53.7090609@interbaun.com...
>>
>>>Doug McCrary wrote:
>>>
>>>>Charlie S <chasa@rcn.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:ulaje1lbmahlfa1ejvfm69k4arm1lhavm3@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If you are talking about the "brake light" at the Door and Brake Lamp
>>>>>Monitor, it's a burned out tail light. Honda brake lamps are special
>>>>>so buy "Honda" lamps at AutoZone or whatever auto shop you go to.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I keep seeing this -
>>>>"Special"? How? If the number is right, the lamp is right. Correct me if I
>>
>>am
>>
>>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>--------------------------
>>>
>>>That's right. Honda tranny fluid is 'special', but a brake lamp is a
>>>brake lamp. Honda doesn't manufacture brake lamps.
>>>
>>>'Curly'
>>>
>>
>>Thanks, Curly.
>>
>
>

Charlie S said

> Honda installs a relay in series with each Tail Light Bulb so the bulb
> sees less than 12 volts. I did not intend to say that you have to buy
> a bulb manufactured by Honda. A bulb intended for other than a Honda
> would fit, but not have the correct brightness.

Huh? A relay is just an on/off switch.


Casey

Charlie S said

> Honda installs a relay in series with each Tail Light Bulb so the bulb
> sees less than 12 volts. I did not intend to say that you have to buy
> a bulb manufactured by Honda. A bulb intended for other than a Honda
> would fit, but not have the correct brightness.

Huh? A relay is just an on/off switch.


Casey

It's not a relay Contact in series with each Tail light bulb it's a
relay COIL. A COIL has a voltage drop so I assume 9 volts on the wire
between the relay and the bulb.

This is not new Honda has been doing this for over 10 years.

I remember going in to Kragen's and being told that Honda has
different Brake lights than other brands.

4 of the 5 Brake lights are dual filiment.

I have a '92 Accord wiring diagram in front of me and I can see the
relays.


On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:26:28 GMT, "Doug McCrary"
<DougMcCrary@spamcop.net> wrote:

>
>Charlie S <chasa@rcn.com> wrote in message
>news:14tle1dthbehe3fbo44j0a0sqqoiplhqk1@4ax.com.. .
>> Honda installs a relay in series with each Tail Light Bulb so the bulb
>> sees less than 12 volts. I did not intend to say that you have to buy
>> a bulb manufactured by Honda. A bulb intended for other than a Honda
>> would fit, but not have the correct brightness.
>>
>Not.
>Spec'd lamps are standard. A 327 or whatever has a specified voltage, base
>design, current rating, and output (candlepower) .
>Honda can't change that unless they design their own lamp, with their own specs
>(and number). I don't see where they have done that. If you have an example,
>please post it.
>
>> For other than a Honda tail light, if I had a burned out bulb I would
>> look in a box in my garage for a bulb that looked the same and it
>> would work.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Charlie
>>
>
>

Charlie S <chasa@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> It's not a relay Contact in series with each Tail light bulb it's a
> relay COIL. A COIL has a voltage drop so I assume 9 volts on the wire
> between the relay and the bulb.
>
Not a valid assumption. The effective resistance of the lamp would be around 6
ohms for a 27W stop lamp. I'm sure they've made the relay to be around .5 ohm or
less, so the voltage at the lamp would be closer to 12v in a real-world 12.8 -
13.5 volt world. It'd be interesting if you could actually measure one of the
relays, and/or the voltage across it and/or the lamp(s) in your car.

> This is not new Honda has been doing this for over 10 years.
>
I believe it.

> I remember going in to Kragen's and being told that Honda has
> different Brake lights than other brands.
>
I believe this too, but I also believe whover told you that is/was full of it.

> 4 of the 5 Brake lights are dual filiment.
>
Immaterial. As I understand so far, the relays are in the brake lamp circuits.
Presence of a tail light or whatever in the same lamp envelope is of no concern.

> I have a '92 Accord wiring diagram in front of me and I can see the
> relays.
>
No doubt. Probably the other responders misunderstood the discussion so far.
Is there a part number for the relay on your car? Maybe I can find the specs.
Googling is good, but in this case I'm either not coming up with the correct
search parameters, or there's just too much stuff...