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I've heard honda accord 2000 with ABS has different bleeding order fo
breaks. I've normally bled my toyota breaks right-rear, left-rear
right-front, then left-front.

I bled my accord last night. It does not seem to have been done right
I have a soft break. I've heard the order is different accord.

Does anybody know

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noltian wrote:
> I've heard honda accord 2000 with ABS has different bleeding order for
> breaks. I've normally bled my toyota breaks right-rear, left-rear,
> right-front, then left-front.
>
> I bled my accord last night. It does not seem to have been done right.
> I have a soft break. I've heard the order is different accord.
>
> Does anybody know?


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The _brakes_ need to be done front-left, front-right, rear-right,
rear-left. Don't ram the pedal all the way to the floor, suck the old
fluid out of the reservoir and top up with fresh before starting. Don't
shake the can of fluid. Test before moving the vehicle. :-)

If you're in _______Australia ___________ Front right, front left,
rear-left, rear right (it's important to mention stuff like that :-(

'Curly'

motsco_ _ wrote:
> noltian wrote:
>
>> I've heard honda accord 2000 with ABS has different bleeding order for
>> breaks. I've normally bled my toyota breaks right-rear, left-rear,
>> right-front, then left-front.
>>
>> I bled my accord last night. It does not seem to have been done right.
>> I have a soft break. I've heard the order is different accord.
>>
>> Does anybody know?
>
>
>
> -----------------------------
>
> The _brakes_ need to be done front-left, front-right, rear-right,
> rear-left. Don't ram the pedal all the way to the floor, suck the old
> fluid out of the reservoir and top up with fresh before starting. Don't
> shake the can of fluid. Test before moving the vehicle. :-)
>
> If you're in _______Australia ___________ Front right, front left,
> rear-left, rear right (it's important to mention stuff like that :-(
>
> 'Curly'
>
that's good advice, but if the master cylinder has got air in it, you
/should/ floor it. it's the only way to properly expel [compressed] air
that tends to reside in front of an incompletely travelled piston.
bottoming the piston forces the air outside the cylinder where it can
then be bled out, otherwise it tends to expand back into the cylinder on
release. this is where the advice to "bench bleed" frequently comes
from; inability to expel all the air without using full travel.

"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:xuqdndN8xt_J1BDfRVn-sw@speakeasy.net...
> motsco_ _ wrote:
>> noltian wrote:
>>
>>> I've heard honda accord 2000 with ABS has different bleeding order for
>>> breaks. I've normally bled my toyota breaks right-rear, left-rear,
>>> right-front, then left-front.
>>>
>>> I bled my accord last night. It does not seem to have been done right.
>>> I have a soft break. I've heard the order is different accord.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------
>>
>> The _brakes_ need to be done front-left, front-right, rear-right,
>> rear-left. Don't ram the pedal all the way to the floor, suck the old
>> fluid out of the reservoir and top up with fresh before starting. Don't
>> shake the can of fluid. Test before moving the vehicle. :-)
>>
>> If you're in _______Australia ___________ Front right, front left,
>> rear-left, rear right (it's important to mention stuff like that :-(
>>
>> 'Curly'
>>
> that's good advice, but if the master cylinder has got air in it, you
> /should/ floor it. it's the only way to properly expel [compressed] air
> that tends to reside in front of an incompletely travelled piston.
> bottoming the piston forces the air outside the cylinder where it can then
> be bled out, otherwise it tends to expand back into the cylinder on
> release. this is where the advice to "bench bleed" frequently comes from;
> inability to expel all the air without using full travel.
>
Would a pressure bleeder get air out of the mc? I've got a Motive kit on
order and I'm going to bleed everything in sight when I get it ;-).

Ray

WaterWatcher wrote:
> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> news:xuqdndN8xt_J1BDfRVn-sw@speakeasy.net...
>
>>motsco_ _ wrote:
>>
>>>noltian wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've heard honda accord 2000 with ABS has different bleeding order for
>>>>breaks. I've normally bled my toyota breaks right-rear, left-rear,
>>>>right-front, then left-front.
>>>>
>>>>I bled my accord last night. It does not seem to have been done right.
>>>>I have a soft break. I've heard the order is different accord.
>>>>
>>>>Does anybody know?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------
>>>
>>>The _brakes_ need to be done front-left, front-right, rear-right,
>>>rear-left. Don't ram the pedal all the way to the floor, suck the old
>>>fluid out of the reservoir and top up with fresh before starting. Don't
>>>shake the can of fluid. Test before moving the vehicle. :-)
>>>
>>>If you're in _______Australia ___________ Front right, front left,
>>>rear-left, rear right (it's important to mention stuff like that :-(
>>>
>>>'Curly'
>>>
>>
>>that's good advice, but if the master cylinder has got air in it, you
>>/should/ floor it. it's the only way to properly expel [compressed] air
>>that tends to reside in front of an incompletely travelled piston.
>>bottoming the piston forces the air outside the cylinder where it can then
>>be bled out, otherwise it tends to expand back into the cylinder on
>>release. this is where the advice to "bench bleed" frequently comes from;
>>inability to expel all the air without using full travel.
>>
>
> Would a pressure bleeder get air out of the mc? I've got a Motive kit on
> order and I'm going to bleed everything in sight when I get it ;-).
>
> Ray
>
>
they help one-person operation, but don't always guarantee a result.
example: an old mini which has bleed nipples at the /bottom/ of the rear
drum cylinders, not the top where the air is. short of an industrial
vacuum system, that vehicle is virtually impossible to bleed.
fortunately, honda engineers seem to get out of the classroom and pay
attention to practical reality so you should work out ok.

"motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in
news:428D485F.3070900@interbaun.com:

> noltian wrote:
>> I've heard honda accord 2000 with ABS has different bleeding order for
>> breaks. I've normally bled my toyota breaks right-rear, left-rear,
>> right-front, then left-front.
>>
>> I bled my accord last night. It does not seem to have been done right.
>> I have a soft break. I've heard the order is different accord.
>>
>> Does anybody know?
>
>
> -----------------------------
>
> The _brakes_ need to be done front-left, front-right, rear-right,
> rear-left. Don't ram the pedal all the way to the floor, suck the old
> fluid out of the reservoir and top up with fresh before starting. Don't
> shake the can of fluid. Test before moving the vehicle. :-)
>
> If you're in _______Australia ___________ Front right, front left,
> rear-left, rear right (it's important to mention stuff like that :-(
>


Bleed *longest runs* first.
1) passenger rear
2) driver rear
3) passenger front
4) driver front.

Some vehicles have identical braking systems for RHD and LHD cars,
differing only upstream of the proportioning valve. This allows the
manufacturer inexpensive compatibility with mounting the master cylinder on
either side of the car. If that's the case, then the bleed order is the
same for either drive, usually starting with the right-rear.

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The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
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TeGGeR® wrote:
> "motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in
> news:428D485F.3070900@interbaun.com:
>
>
>>noltian wrote:
>>
>>>I've heard honda accord 2000 with ABS has different bleeding order for
>>>breaks. I've normally bled my toyota breaks right-rear, left-rear,
>>>right-front, then left-front.
>>>
>>>I bled my accord last night. It does not seem to have been done right.
>>>I have a soft break. I've heard the order is different accord.
>>>
>>>Does anybody know?
>>
>>
>>-----------------------------
>>
>>The _brakes_ need to be done front-left, front-right, rear-right,
>>rear-left. Don't ram the pedal all the way to the floor, suck the old
>>fluid out of the reservoir and top up with fresh before starting. Don't
>>shake the can of fluid. Test before moving the vehicle. :-)
>>
>>If you're in _______Australia ___________ Front right, front left,
>>rear-left, rear right (it's important to mention stuff like that :-(
>>
>
>
>
> Bleed *longest runs* first.
> 1) passenger rear
> 2) driver rear
> 3) passenger front
> 4) driver front.
>
> Some vehicles have identical braking systems for RHD and LHD cars,
> differing only upstream of the proportioning valve. This allows the
> manufacturer inexpensive compatibility with mounting the master cylinder on
> either side of the car. If that's the case, then the bleed order is the
> same for either drive, usually starting with the right-rear.

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TeGGer, I'm sure the Helms (aka Bible) says it the way I've explained,
which is contrary to our old-school wisdom. :-)

'Curly'

"motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in
news:428E00CA.8010909@interbaun.com:

> TeGGeR® wrote:

>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bleed *longest runs* first.
>> 1) passenger rear
>> 2) driver rear
>> 3) passenger front
>> 4) driver front.
>>
>> Some vehicles have identical braking systems for RHD and LHD cars,
>> differing only upstream of the proportioning valve. This allows the
>> manufacturer inexpensive compatibility with mounting the master
>> cylinder on either side of the car. If that's the case, then the
>> bleed order is the same for either drive, usually starting with the
>> right-rear.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> TeGGer, I'm sure the Helms (aka Bible) says it the way I've explained,
> which is contrary to our old-school wisdom. :-)
>


I should have looked in mine first too (poor memory, y'know).

It seems (on page 19-10) that the Civic/Integra of my vintage has a
DIAGONALLY-split circuit. Correct bleed order is given as:
1) Right rear
2) Left front
3) Left rear
4) Right front

The sequence I originally gave is for a FRONT/REAR split, such as most
Toyotas.

Either way, you bleed the *longest run first*, as I originally stated.

I have no excuse for forgetting the diagonality of my brakes, as I bleed
them once every year.


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