Honda Car Forum

Imminent Vengeance <me@privacy.net> wrote in
newsan.2005.03.16.22.24.40.116381@imminentvengea nce:

> John Horner wrote:
>
>> Cost cutting gone mad.
>>
>> Maybe I will try Toyota next time.
>
> Many newer Toyotas have interior rattles too. As has been pointed out
> before, most if not all car manufacturers have been using hard plastics
> for reasons pertaining to safety, economy and the environment. In other
> words, don't blame the manufacturers; blame the governments.
>
The government does not mandate cost cutting which results in rattles.
Obviously another right wing conspiracy anti-government nut.

tango wrote:

>> Many newer Toyotas have interior rattles too. As has been pointed out
>> before, most if not all car manufacturers have been using hard plastics
>> for reasons pertaining to safety, economy and the environment. In
>> other words, don't blame the manufacturers; blame the governments.
>>
> The government does not mandate cost cutting which results in rattles.

The government does mandate safety, economy and environmental measures.
The use of hard plastics figures into the economy and environmental
requirements, and it is those hard plastics that cause the rattles. Now,
I don't condone the use of hard plastics, but to me, interior rattles are
a petty issue compared to mechanical problems.


> Obviously another right wing conspiracy anti-government nut.

For your information, fool, I am neither right wing nor left wing. I am
neither pro- nor anti-government. I don't pledge allegiance to any
political side.

tango <tango@cynet.com> wrote in news:Xns961DAEA75B970663354@216.168.3.44:

> Imminent Vengeance <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> newsan.2005.03.16.22.24.40.116381@imminentvengea nce:
>
>> John Horner wrote:
>>
>>> Cost cutting gone mad.
>>>
>>> Maybe I will try Toyota next time.
>>
>> Many newer Toyotas have interior rattles too. As has been pointed out
>> before, most if not all car manufacturers have been using hard plastics
>> for reasons pertaining to safety, economy and the environment. In other
>> words, don't blame the manufacturers; blame the governments.
>>
> The government does not mandate cost cutting which results in rattles.
> Obviously another right wing conspiracy anti-government nut.



It's mostly economy (which IS partly driven by legislation/regulation). All
mid/low priced modern cars fall victim to this to some degree or other.

Whether the plastic is hard or soft is irrelevant to rattles. Vinyls are
normally backed by hard plastics or pressboard anyway.

What does matter is how stiff the structures are, how they're attached to
each other, and how they're kept from vibrating, especially how they're
kept from vibrating against each other. Cost cutting means flimsier, more
rattle-prone interiors.

Interiors are a handy cost-cutting location for automakers, since they are
subject to few regulations, and are not subject to the weather or
significant structural stresses.

I worked with Tier-2 suppliers for many years until very recently. I
personally saw how cheap they were making the interiors, and I was told
exactly why this was so.

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