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Old 23 Jan 2005, 02:43 pm
In2hoppn
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Default Need ingition control module (ignitor in distributor) for 1995 Civic

I NEED AN ICM. IGNITION CONTROL MODULE
HELP! This is a charity job. $178 is WAY TOO much to spend at autozone!
My local boneyard doesn't have a distributor... gave me a price of $150 to
$200 if they can locate one! WHAT? Well I guess that includes a bunch of
stuff in it that I don't need. If I can locate one myself, I doubt they'll
break out just the ignitor for me.

Some kindhearted fellow Honda wrencher got one of these? It's a 95 Civic
with 1.5 VTEC. My understanding is it's the same part from 94 (not D15B7,
D15B8 OK), 95, 96, 97 (including 1.6) (also VTEC or not), and who know what
else???
Wells number is JP129? I'd pay shipping cost plus a small fee if you gotta
get something for it (charity job for my efforts, I can charge something for
parts if I have to).

Hopefully, someone can help me out. I have yet to check ebay. Owner will
just unload this car if I can't fix it real cheap. I buy complete parts
cars for way less than this! But, I can't wait for one to come through the
auction... not to mention the weather here in New Hampshire right now!

In2hoppn

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Old 23 Jan 2005, 05:04 pm
Remco
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Default Re: Need ingition control module (ignitor in distributor) for 1995 Civic

Are you talking about the ignitor? That module with four connections
inside the distributor, right?
I needed one about 1/2 year ago for our Integra and paid about $70
delivered from carpartsamerica.com (there are other places out there
that offer similar prices).

Remco

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Old 24 Jan 2005, 11:36 am
Mista Bone
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Default Re: Need ingition control module (ignitor in distributor) for 1995 Civic

You can use the larger ICM from a Accord in the Civic distributor. It's
larger mass (heatshink) is less prone to failure.

What part of the world you live in??????
You have a D15Z1 (VX) motor if live in USA/CAnada.
The ignitors of all 92-95 Civic's are the same anyways.

$167 from a dealer, Autozone has to be cheaper.

There is a great Acura Dealer in Hew Hampshire.........
http://www.acuraparts247.com/sunnyside/jsp/home.jsp

Here you go, Napa $92.95
http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/nc...ine/search_res
ults_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr=28520386&prmenbr=5806&usrcommgrpid= 80
507427

They might be able to get it for you.
"In2hoppn" <in2hoppn@worldpath.net> wrote in message
news:K4GdnfiY7KYlkWncRVn-3A@metrocastcablevision.com...
> I NEED AN ICM. IGNITION CONTROL MODULE
> HELP! This is a charity job. $178 is WAY TOO much to spend at autozone!
> My local boneyard doesn't have a distributor... gave me a price of $150 to
> $200 if they can locate one! WHAT? Well I guess that includes a bunch of
> stuff in it that I don't need. If I can locate one myself, I doubt

they'll
> break out just the ignitor for me.
>
> Some kindhearted fellow Honda wrencher got one of these? It's a 95 Civic
> with 1.5 VTEC. My understanding is it's the same part from 94 (not D15B7,
> D15B8 OK), 95, 96, 97 (including 1.6) (also VTEC or not), and who know

what
> else???
> Wells number is JP129? I'd pay shipping cost plus a small fee if you

gotta
> get something for it (charity job for my efforts, I can charge something

for
> parts if I have to).
>
> Hopefully, someone can help me out. I have yet to check ebay. Owner will
> just unload this car if I can't fix it real cheap. I buy complete parts
> cars for way less than this! But, I can't wait for one to come through

the
> auction... not to mention the weather here in New Hampshire right now!
>
> In2hoppn
>
> reply here or reply direct... but not worldpath anymore... it's metrocast
> instead...
>
>



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Old 24 Jan 2005, 12:59 pm
Remco
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Default Re: Need ingition control module (ignitor in distributor) for 1995 Civic

One more thing -- once you do replace it, be sure to put a small blob
of heatsink compound under the device (Radio Shack); it will help get
rid of the heat. The original one on our Integra did not have any of
this stuff under if and may have contributed to its untimely demise.
Remco

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Old 25 Jan 2005, 05:50 am
In2hoppn
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I shopped around a little. Autozone is insane with their price on this
item!
This honda is NUTS!
I HATE HONDA.... PERIOD.
(of course, I hate em all, especially whatever brand is currently giving me
a headache at the moment!!) : )

This 1995 Honda Civic LX 4 door sedan says VTEC (pronounced
VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETEK) on the engine.
But, I am now told by someone (who looks to be correct) that 1995 Civic 4
door
never came with VTEC.

Nowhere on the car is to be found numbers that even vaguely resemble codes
D15B7, D15B8, or D15Z1.
Are these just "hat" numbers that get pulled out of books or charts (hats)??
Anyway, I think I have a "swapped" engine in this thing.
Parts stores and junkyards tell me LX, CX, DX are same distributors, EX is
different. And this is supposedly after me telling them this is a VTEC.
But then I see in the owners manual that LX and DX are DOHC (nonVTEC), and
EX is DOHC
VTEC!
For what it's worth (or not), this is a Japan model. VIN is
JHMEG8669SS027974

What exactly is the difference between VTEC and nonVTEC distributors?? End
of shaft? Housing? Innards?
I'm looking at used distributors, I'd prefer to get one that can be
completely swapped in if necessary!

Are the coils the same also?
Ever since I discovered I was hooked on to the + coil lead and tach lead on
the ignitor, (instead of across the primary side of coil where I wanted to
be), I'm no longer
completely confident that loosing the signal when it died means conclusively
that it's the ignitor. I wonder if intermittant coil failure could still be
the culprit. I don't care to hook back up and drive it for another week or
two or month before it dies again! (See thread titled "Need advice... 95
Civic dies and won't start, but then starts and is fine." for more info on
that) My Vantage meter is worth more than this car.

So if someone can tell me how one identifies an actual engine, and/or how
one identifies a certain distributor's application concerns... that would be
helpful at this point.
And one more thing, does the fact that it says VTEC on the engine mean it
really has to be? Or can someone just swap that cover?!?
Thanks all
In2






"Mista Bone" <mistab0ne@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:VmaJd.51954$re1.10382@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> You can use the larger ICM from a Accord in the Civic distributor. It's
> larger mass (heatshink) is less prone to failure.
>
> What part of the world you live in??????
> You have a D15Z1 (VX) motor if live in USA/CAnada.
> The ignitors of all 92-95 Civic's are the same anyways.
>
> $167 from a dealer, Autozone has to be cheaper.
>
> There is a great Acura Dealer in Hew Hampshire.........
> http://www.acuraparts247.com/sunnyside/jsp/home.jsp
>
> Here you go, Napa $92.95
>

http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/nc...ine/search_res
>

ults_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr=28520386&prmenbr=5806&usrcommgrpid= 80
> 507427
>
> They might be able to get it for you.
> "In2hoppn" <in2hoppn@worldpath.net> wrote in message
> news:K4GdnfiY7KYlkWncRVn-3A@metrocastcablevision.com...
> > I NEED AN ICM. IGNITION CONTROL MODULE
> > HELP! This is a charity job. $178 is WAY TOO much to spend at

autozone!
> > My local boneyard doesn't have a distributor... gave me a price of $150

to
> > $200 if they can locate one! WHAT? Well I guess that includes a bunch

of
> > stuff in it that I don't need. If I can locate one myself, I doubt

> they'll
> > break out just the ignitor for me.
> >
> > Some kindhearted fellow Honda wrencher got one of these? It's a 95

Civic
> > with 1.5 VTEC. My understanding is it's the same part from 94 (not

D15B7,
> > D15B8 OK), 95, 96, 97 (including 1.6) (also VTEC or not), and who know

> what
> > else???
> > Wells number is JP129? I'd pay shipping cost plus a small fee if you

> gotta
> > get something for it (charity job for my efforts, I can charge something

> for
> > parts if I have to).
> >
> > Hopefully, someone can help me out. I have yet to check ebay. Owner

will
> > just unload this car if I can't fix it real cheap. I buy complete parts
> > cars for way less than this! But, I can't wait for one to come through

> the
> > auction... not to mention the weather here in New Hampshire right now!
> >
> > In2hoppn
> >
> > reply here or reply direct... but not worldpath anymore... it's

metrocast
> > instead...
> >
> >

>
>





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Old 25 Jan 2005, 06:11 pm
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Default Re: Need ingition control module (ignitor in distributor) for 1995Civic

In2hoppn wrote:
> Nowhere on the car is to be found numbers that even vaguely resemble codes
> D15B7, D15B8, or D15Z1.


shouldnt it be *somewhere* on the block? like near the tranny bellhousing?
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Old 26 Jan 2005, 05:22 am
In2hoppn
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"SoCalMike" <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:HdmdnfsOtLnUfWvcRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
> In2hoppn wrote:
> > Nowhere on the car is to be found numbers that even vaguely resemble

codes
> > D15B7, D15B8, or D15Z1.

>
> shouldnt it be *somewhere* on the block? like near the tranny bellhousing?


There is an engine number on the block near tranny. But it's not an engine
code like these.
I'll have to clean it a little better to get the number accurately, but
haven't found anywhere yet that references that number to engine type.
Thnx for your imput, again!
I was looking at a parts website http://pa.partsandacessories.com (it works
well to list different vehicles and lets you quickly quote part numbers and
prices (steep?)... I found that basically, it's the same coil and ignitor
accross the board, D15B7, D15B/Z8, D16Z6, D15Z1... including Del Sol V-TEC
DOHC 94 - 95 B16A3. Of couse, not Honda anywhere was listed as a 1.5 VTEC,
and D15B8 was not to be found on the entire site! So that's probably the
engine I have in this thing ; ) Another parts site did let me look at D15B8
which is under 95 Civic CX (I'm surfing in one window, typing here in
another!) and it showed coil and ignitor as same part numbers (different
distibutors though).
I guess I can get it figured out. But any more info regarding figuring out
which engine I have from anyone would still be welcome!
Thanks all
In2hoppn



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Old 26 Jan 2005, 01:26 pm
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In2hoppn wrote:
>
> This 1995 Honda Civic LX 4 door sedan says VTEC (pronounced
> VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETEK) on the engine.
> But, I am now told by someone (who looks to be correct) that 1995 Civic 4
> door
> never came with VTEC.


The 4-door EX came with a 1.6 liter VTEC engine (D16Z6 ?), as did the EX
coupe and the Si hatch. The VX hatch had a 1.5 liter VTEC-e engine. All
other sizes and shapes had 1.5 liter engines without VTEC.
>
> Nowhere on the car is to be found numbers that even vaguely resemble codes
> D15B7, D15B8, or D15Z1.


The engine number should be stamped on the upper front of the engine,
right next to the transmission bell housing.

> Parts stores and junkyards tell me LX, CX, DX are same distributors, EX is
> different. And this is supposedly after me telling them this is a VTEC.
> But then I see in the owners manual that LX and DX are DOHC (nonVTEC), and
> EX is DOHC > VTEC!


This is not correct. All the '95 Civic engines were SOHC, with or
without VTEC.

The question is why the specimen at hand, an LX, has VTEC stamped on the
valve cover. A very popular conversion ("mini-me") is to put the VTEC
head from the 1.6 liter on the non-VTEC 1.5 liter. Perhaps that is what
happened? Or it could be an outright engine swap.

> For what it's worth (or not), this is a Japan model. VIN is
> JHMEG8669SS027974


This should be a Japanese made (Suzuka factory) 4 door Civic LX with ABS
and a 1.5 liter, non VTEC SOHC engine, code D15B7.

> What exactly is the difference between VTEC and nonVTEC distributors?? End
> of shaft? Housing? Innards?
> I'm looking at used distributors, I'd prefer to get one that can be
> completely swapped in if necessary!


The VTEC head is different from the non VTEC head, so I am not surprised
that they use different distributors. Don't know what the differences
are, though. Are you sure you need a new distributor? The ignition
control unit is replaceable by itself.


> Are the coils the same also?
> Ever since I discovered I was hooked on to the + coil lead and tach lead on
> the ignitor, (instead of across the primary side of coil where I wanted to
> be), I'm no longer
> completely confident that loosing the signal when it died means conclusively
> that it's the ignitor.


The ICU is a known weak spot on that generation Civic.

> I wonder if intermittant coil failure could still be
> the culprit. I don't care to hook back up and drive it for another week or
> two or month before it dies again! (See thread titled "Need advice... 95
> Civic dies and won't start, but then starts and is fine." for more info on
> that) My Vantage meter is worth more than this car.
>
> So if someone can tell me how one identifies an actual engine, and/or how
> one identifies a certain distributor's application concerns... that would be
> helpful at this point.
> And one more thing, does the fact that it says VTEC on the engine mean it
> really has to be? Or can someone just swap that cover?!?
> Thanks all
> In2
>
> "Mista Bone" <mistab0ne@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:VmaJd.51954$re1.10382@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> > You can use the larger ICM from a Accord in the Civic distributor. It's
> > larger mass (heatshink) is less prone to failure.
> >
> > What part of the world you live in??????
> > You have a D15Z1 (VX) motor if live in USA/CAnada.
> > The ignitors of all 92-95 Civic's are the same anyways.
> >
> > $167 from a dealer, Autozone has to be cheaper.
> >
> > There is a great Acura Dealer in Hew Hampshire.........
> > http://www.acuraparts247.com/sunnyside/jsp/home.jsp
> >
> > Here you go, Napa $92.95
> >

> http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/nc...ine/search_res
> >

> ults_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr=28520386&prmenbr=5806&usrcommgrpid= 80
> > 507427
> >
> > They might be able to get it for you.
> > "In2hoppn" <in2hoppn@worldpath.net> wrote in message
> > news:K4GdnfiY7KYlkWncRVn-3A@metrocastcablevision.com...
> > > I NEED AN ICM. IGNITION CONTROL MODULE
> > > HELP! This is a charity job. $178 is WAY TOO much to spend at

> autozone!
> > > My local boneyard doesn't have a distributor... gave me a price of $150

> to
> > > $200 if they can locate one! WHAT? Well I guess that includes a bunch

> of
> > > stuff in it that I don't need. If I can locate one myself, I doubt

> > they'll
> > > break out just the ignitor for me.
> > >
> > > Some kindhearted fellow Honda wrencher got one of these? It's a 95

> Civic
> > > with 1.5 VTEC. My understanding is it's the same part from 94 (not

> D15B7,
> > > D15B8 OK), 95, 96, 97 (including 1.6) (also VTEC or not), and who know

> > what
> > > else???
> > > Wells number is JP129? I'd pay shipping cost plus a small fee if you

> > gotta
> > > get something for it (charity job for my efforts, I can charge something

> > for
> > > parts if I have to).
> > >
> > > Hopefully, someone can help me out. I have yet to check ebay. Owner

> will
> > > just unload this car if I can't fix it real cheap. I buy complete parts
> > > cars for way less than this! But, I can't wait for one to come through

> > the
> > > auction... not to mention the weather here in New Hampshire right now!
> > >
> > > In2hoppn
> > >
> > > reply here or reply direct... but not worldpath anymore... it's

> metrocast
> > > instead...
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

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Old 26 Jan 2005, 03:05 pm
Mista Bone
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The difference in the dist. is just the mounting legs.

CX/DX/LX non VTEC are the same, the EX/Si/VX are slightly different housing,
but same internals. Either way, they all used the same ignitors.

"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:41F7EEC5.BC96E073@junkmail.com...
>
> In2hoppn wrote:
> >
> > This 1995 Honda Civic LX 4 door sedan says VTEC (pronounced
> > VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETEK) on the engine.
> > But, I am now told by someone (who looks to be correct) that 1995 Civic

4
> > door
> > never came with VTEC.

>
> The 4-door EX came with a 1.6 liter VTEC engine (D16Z6 ?), as did the EX
> coupe and the Si hatch. The VX hatch had a 1.5 liter VTEC-e engine. All
> other sizes and shapes had 1.5 liter engines without VTEC.
> >
> > Nowhere on the car is to be found numbers that even vaguely resemble

codes
> > D15B7, D15B8, or D15Z1.

>
> The engine number should be stamped on the upper front of the engine,
> right next to the transmission bell housing.
>
> > Parts stores and junkyards tell me LX, CX, DX are same distributors, EX

is
> > different. And this is supposedly after me telling them this is a VTEC.
> > But then I see in the owners manual that LX and DX are DOHC (nonVTEC),

and
> > EX is DOHC > VTEC!

>
> This is not correct. All the '95 Civic engines were SOHC, with or
> without VTEC.
>
> The question is why the specimen at hand, an LX, has VTEC stamped on the
> valve cover. A very popular conversion ("mini-me") is to put the VTEC
> head from the 1.6 liter on the non-VTEC 1.5 liter. Perhaps that is what
> happened? Or it could be an outright engine swap.
>
> > For what it's worth (or not), this is a Japan model. VIN is
> > JHMEG8669SS027974

>
> This should be a Japanese made (Suzuka factory) 4 door Civic LX with ABS
> and a 1.5 liter, non VTEC SOHC engine, code D15B7.
>
> > What exactly is the difference between VTEC and nonVTEC distributors??

End
> > of shaft? Housing? Innards?
> > I'm looking at used distributors, I'd prefer to get one that can be
> > completely swapped in if necessary!

>
> The VTEC head is different from the non VTEC head, so I am not surprised
> that they use different distributors. Don't know what the differences
> are, though. Are you sure you need a new distributor? The ignition
> control unit is replaceable by itself.
>
>
> > Are the coils the same also?
> > Ever since I discovered I was hooked on to the + coil lead and tach lead

on
> > the ignitor, (instead of across the primary side of coil where I wanted

to
> > be), I'm no longer
> > completely confident that loosing the signal when it died means

conclusively
> > that it's the ignitor.

>
> The ICU is a known weak spot on that generation Civic.
>
> > I wonder if intermittant coil failure could still be
> > the culprit. I don't care to hook back up and drive it for another week

or
> > two or month before it dies again! (See thread titled "Need advice...

95
> > Civic dies and won't start, but then starts and is fine." for more info

on
> > that) My Vantage meter is worth more than this car.
> >
> > So if someone can tell me how one identifies an actual engine, and/or

how
> > one identifies a certain distributor's application concerns... that

would be
> > helpful at this point.
> > And one more thing, does the fact that it says VTEC on the engine mean

it
> > really has to be? Or can someone just swap that cover?!?
> > Thanks all
> > In2
> >
> > "Mista Bone" <mistab0ne@nospam.net> wrote in message
> > news:VmaJd.51954$re1.10382@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> > > You can use the larger ICM from a Accord in the Civic distributor.

It's
> > > larger mass (heatshink) is less prone to failure.
> > >
> > > What part of the world you live in??????
> > > You have a D15Z1 (VX) motor if live in USA/CAnada.
> > > The ignitors of all 92-95 Civic's are the same anyways.
> > >
> > > $167 from a dealer, Autozone has to be cheaper.
> > >
> > > There is a great Acura Dealer in Hew Hampshire.........
> > > http://www.acuraparts247.com/sunnyside/jsp/home.jsp
> > >
> > > Here you go, Napa $92.95
> > >

> >

http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/nc...ine/search_res
> > >

> >

ults_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr=28520386&prmenbr=5806&usrcommgrpid= 80
> > > 507427
> > >
> > > They might be able to get it for you.
> > > "In2hoppn" <in2hoppn@worldpath.net> wrote in message
> > > news:K4GdnfiY7KYlkWncRVn-3A@metrocastcablevision.com...
> > > > I NEED AN ICM. IGNITION CONTROL MODULE
> > > > HELP! This is a charity job. $178 is WAY TOO much to spend at

> > autozone!
> > > > My local boneyard doesn't have a distributor... gave me a price of

$150
> > to
> > > > $200 if they can locate one! WHAT? Well I guess that includes a

bunch
> > of
> > > > stuff in it that I don't need. If I can locate one myself, I doubt
> > > they'll
> > > > break out just the ignitor for me.
> > > >
> > > > Some kindhearted fellow Honda wrencher got one of these? It's a 95

> > Civic
> > > > with 1.5 VTEC. My understanding is it's the same part from 94 (not

> > D15B7,
> > > > D15B8 OK), 95, 96, 97 (including 1.6) (also VTEC or not), and who

know
> > > what
> > > > else???
> > > > Wells number is JP129? I'd pay shipping cost plus a small fee if

you
> > > gotta
> > > > get something for it (charity job for my efforts, I can charge

something
> > > for
> > > > parts if I have to).
> > > >
> > > > Hopefully, someone can help me out. I have yet to check ebay.

Owner
> > will
> > > > just unload this car if I can't fix it real cheap. I buy complete

parts
> > > > cars for way less than this! But, I can't wait for one to come

through
> > > the
> > > > auction... not to mention the weather here in New Hampshire right

now!
> > > >
> > > > In2hoppn
> > > >
> > > > reply here or reply direct... but not worldpath anymore... it's

> > metrocast
> > > > instead...
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >



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Old 27 Jan 2005, 05:15 am
In2hoppn
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> > Parts stores and junkyards tell me LX, CX, DX are same distributors, EX

is
> > different. And this is supposedly after me telling them this is a VTEC.
> > But then I see in the owners manual that LX and DX are DOHC (nonVTEC),

and
> > EX is DOHC > VTEC!

>
> This is not correct. All the '95 Civic engines were SOHC, with or
> without VTEC.


Typo on my part. Manual said SOHC for LX and DX, but did say DOHC VTEC for
EX.

> The question is why the specimen at hand, an LX, has VTEC stamped on the
> valve cover. A very popular conversion ("mini-me") is to put the VTEC
> head from the 1.6 liter on the non-VTEC 1.5 liter. Perhaps that is what
> happened? Or it could be an outright engine swap.
>


I snagged a nonVTEC distributor on ebay for $30 including shipping. (under
the false title VTEC JDM, go figure)
A little more research seemed to indicate that both ingitor and coil will be
the same regardless. It would have been nice to have a completely swappable
one, but those things are definitely a bit pricey!
A head swap had not occured to me. That may well be the case.
I'll clean up the engine numbers as see exactly what it is. What I
deciphered so far just didn't seem to resemble these engine codes. But I'll
see what exactly it is and go from there... just out of curriosity now.

Also, there is a plug near the distributor plugs (mounted to something on
the head, fuel regulator, maybe??) that is not used. It's a green 2 prong
plug with nothing nearby to plug into it. It's very dirty, so nothing's
been plugged into it for a long time.


> The ICU is a known weak spot on that generation Civic.


I hope I'm not replacing a weak one with another weak one! But this problem
is unique (I hope) in that it dies only when warming up from quite cold
(below freezing). Once it gets past this point by sitting 5 minutes (I
assume that's because heat continues to flow into it from the engine) it
works again and won't fail again. Any problems I've ever seen in the past
with ignitors (Ford and Chrysler) have always been when they get hot. Then
they work again when cooled down, but fail again when hot again. Or, they
quit completely... it's that a little too easy to fix though?? ; ) I think
I'll just replace both the coil and ignitor and HOPE it doesn't bother
again! Then I can go back to hating my VWs, Buick, Pontiac, GMC van, Chevy
truck, Ford Grumman, Wife's Toyota, MTD snowblower,... whatever's next ; )
Or if I make it through to spring, there's always the old
KawYamaZukiHondaDavidson! That would be a 77 KZ 1000 (pronounced ten
hundred ; ) )

thanks all for the help! I'll post the engine numbers!


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