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Hello,


I have a 95 Integra with 89k miles which has a problem
starting up and would like to know if it's something other than water
in my gas. This usually occurs initially when the car has been sitting
for about 3hrs or more. When I try to start it, all of the dash lights
come on, the car turns and the engine begins to start, but then stops.
When it does this all of the lights go out on the dash, but if I start
the engine again without resetting the key, the lights come on and the
problem happens again. If I do this about 5 times and press the peddle
a bit, the car eventually starts. While it starts I get a few stutters
from the engine initially for about 10 seconds and then there is no
problem for the rest of the drive. I was thinking that this was
nothing more than bad gas and have purchased a bottle of STP that
prevents gas freeze, but have not fully emptied the tank yet.
The battery was purchased from Acura about 2 years ago but we
only had one day of 50+ degree weather this past week (which this
problem didn't happen) so I'm waiting for another warm day to see if
this doesn't happen to see if the problem lies with the battery.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Nick

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:20:50 -0500, Nick
<npolite@NOSPAMMONKEYShotmail.com> wrote:


> I have a 95 Integra with 89k miles which has a problem
>starting up and would like to know if it's something other than water
>in my gas. This usually occurs initially when the car has been sitting
>for about 3hrs or more. When I try to start it, all of the dash lights
>come on, the car turns and the engine begins to start, but then stops.
>When it does this all of the lights go out on the dash, but if I start
>the engine again without resetting the key, the lights come on and the
>problem happens again.

I'd be suspecting your ignition switch at this point.

> If I do this about 5 times and press the peddle
>a bit, the car eventually starts. While it starts I get a few stutters
>from the engine initially for about 10 seconds and then there is no
>problem for the rest of the drive. I was thinking that this was
>nothing more than bad gas

Bad gas isn't going to make your warning lights go out.

> The battery was purchased from Acura about 2 years ago but we
>only had one day of 50+ degree weather this past week (which this
>problem didn't happen) so I'm waiting for another warm day to see if
>this doesn't happen to see if the problem lies with the battery.

You might loosten and retighten your battery connections and check the
ground at the end of the negative cable.

> I have a 95 Integra with 89k miles which has a problem
> starting up and would like to know if it's something other than water
> in my gas. This usually occurs initially when the car has been sitting
> for about 3hrs or more. When I try to start it, all of the dash lights
> come on, the car turns and the engine begins to start, but then stops.
> When it does this all of the lights go out on the dash, but if I start
> the engine again without resetting the key, the lights come on and the
> problem happens again. If I do this about 5 times and press the peddle
> a bit, the car eventually starts. While it starts I get a few stutters
> from the engine initially for about 10 seconds and then there is no
> problem for the rest of the drive. I was thinking that this was
> nothing more than bad gas and have purchased a bottle of STP that
> prevents gas freeze, but have not fully emptied the tank yet.
> The battery was purchased from Acura about 2 years ago but we
> only had one day of 50+ degree weather this past week (which this
> problem didn't happen) so I'm waiting for another warm day to see if
> this doesn't happen to see if the problem lies with the battery.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Nick

When you start the car and it stops and all the lights go off, does it sound
like the starter is bearing down (ie working hard, eventually stopping but
not starting the car)?
I wonder if the starter is just too large of an electric load.

Your battery or something power related could be the cause. It could be a
bad major ground or power connection from the battery. Perhaps clean all
your connections (battery terminals and terminals to the starter).
It could also be because the starter is bad or is on its way out.

Perhaps put a voltmeter across the battery to see if it drops below 10V when
you start the car. If it does, your battery is a likely suspect.

Hope you find it soon.
Remco

Now that I read your your post again, I might have misunderstood it:

When the car stops, are you still trying to crank it with the starter?
Or has it just started, you've released the key and now the car stalls?
When you say that the dash lights go out, you mean they go out as they
normally would when the car is running?

If the car is cranking normally, I was wrong suggesting the starter or
related issues so forget what I said in that case.
John's suggestion is very valid. A convenient way to check the
running/start position is to put a multimeter on any fuse that is
powered while the car is running. The window wiper or cruise control,
both under the dash, are good examples of fuses to use for this
purpose.
Note I am not suggesting that these fuses are blown: just that they
should have 12V when the car is running/starting. If your car stops and
the voltage disappears on these fuses, it means that the ignition
switch or connecting wires might be your problem.
If the voltage is still present and the car stops running, perhaps
troubleshoot the ignition or fuel supply (possible main relay).

Just making sure -- wouldn't want to steer you in a wrong direction.
Regards,
Remco

Thanks for everyone's help on this...When I'm starting the engine, it
seems like the engine is starting normally up to about 1000 RPMs and
then the engine stops. When I do get the engine running I have my foot
pressed on the accelerator a little bit. All of the lights including
the clock go out when this occurs including Parking light on the dash
that tells you what gear you have the car in. I'm going to take a look
at the battery connections first and make sure everything is clean and
the ground is set correctly (may have come semi-loose). If that not
it, it may be the ignition switch possibly? I'll look into that as
well. Tomorrow I will have a look and get back to everyone. Thanks
again for your troubleshooting on this problem.

Nick


On 26 Dec 2004 15:53:36 -0800, "Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Now that I read your your post again, I might have misunderstood it:
>
>When the car stops, are you still trying to crank it with the starter?
>Or has it just started, you've released the key and now the car stalls?
>When you say that the dash lights go out, you mean they go out as they
>normally would when the car is running?
>
>If the car is cranking normally, I was wrong suggesting the starter or
>related issues so forget what I said in that case.
>John's suggestion is very valid. A convenient way to check the
>running/start position is to put a multimeter on any fuse that is
>powered while the car is running. The window wiper or cruise control,
>both under the dash, are good examples of fuses to use for this
>purpose.
>Note I am not suggesting that these fuses are blown: just that they
>should have 12V when the car is running/starting. If your car stops and
>the voltage disappears on these fuses, it means that the ignition
>switch or connecting wires might be your problem.
>If the voltage is still present and the car stops running, perhaps
>troubleshoot the ignition or fuel supply (possible main relay).
>
>Just making sure -- wouldn't want to steer you in a wrong direction.
>Regards,
>Remco

Nick wrote:
> it, it may be the ignition switch possibly?

highly likely, from your description. theres supposedly a method
someones used to play with the key- start it, then gently release the
key, yet hold it in a certain position to keep the car running. if that
trick works, its definately your switch.

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:54:16 -0500, Nick
<npolite@NOSPAMMONKEYShotmail.com> wrote:

>I'm going to take a look
>at the battery connections first and make sure everything is clean and
>the ground is set correctly (may have come semi-loose).

If you're going to take the battery terminals off, make sure you have
the radio code handy.

Here is an update to my problem.

Since the problem started I've cleaned out the battery
terminals and made sure that the ground wire was mounted to the
chassis (which it was). When I went into the car I tapped a few times
the ignition switch (not that I think that has done anything) but the
problem has gone away (even with some 30 degree temp days). I've also
gone through 2 tanks of gas so I'm not sure what caused the problem.
I'll continue to monitor the situation to see if it comes back again
and then go out an purchase a new ignition switch. I'm also going to
put an order in for new spark plug wires as my car is idling roughly
even after I have adjusted it as per the helm manual, and because they
are the original ones (10 years). Thanks for everyone's help on this
one.

Nick



On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:20:50 -0500, Nick
<npolite@NOSPAMMONKEYShotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>
> I have a 95 Integra with 89k miles which has a problem
>starting up and would like to know if it's something other than water
>in my gas. This usually occurs initially when the car has been sitting
>for about 3hrs or more. When I try to start it, all of the dash lights
>come on, the car turns and the engine begins to start, but then stops.
>When it does this all of the lights go out on the dash, but if I start
>the engine again without resetting the key, the lights come on and the
>problem happens again. If I do this about 5 times and press the peddle
>a bit, the car eventually starts. While it starts I get a few stutters
>from the engine initially for about 10 seconds and then there is no
>problem for the rest of the drive. I was thinking that this was
>nothing more than bad gas and have purchased a bottle of STP that
>prevents gas freeze, but have not fully emptied the tank yet.
> The battery was purchased from Acura about 2 years ago but we
>only had one day of 50+ degree weather this past week (which this
>problem didn't happen) so I'm waiting for another warm day to see if
>this doesn't happen to see if the problem lies with the battery.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Nick

Nick wrote:
> I'll continue to monitor the situation to see if it comes back again
> and then go out an purchase a new ignition switch. I'm also going to
> put an order in for new spark plug wires as my car is idling roughly
> even after I have adjusted it as per the helm manual, and because they
> are the original ones (10 years).

id spring for an OEM honda cap and rotor as well. might as well go all
the way!

Nick wrote:
> Here is an update to my problem.
>
> Since the problem started I've cleaned out the battery
> terminals and made sure that the ground wire was mounted to the
> chassis (which it was). When I went into the car I tapped a few times
> the ignition switch (not that I think that has done anything) but the
> problem has gone away (even with some 30 degree temp days). I've also
> gone through 2 tanks of gas so I'm not sure what caused the problem.
> I'll continue to monitor the situation to see if it comes back again
> and then go out an purchase a new ignition switch. I'm also going to
> put an order in for new spark plug wires as my car is idling roughly
> even after I have adjusted it as per the helm manual, and because they
> are the original ones (10 years). Thanks for everyone's help on this
> one.
>
> Nick


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Nick,

Regarding the bad idle, If you have the same (basic) DOHC engine as the
'97 CRV, have you adjusted your valves very regularly, (30,000 mi)?

A Google search might turn up some info.

'Curly'