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#11 (**permalink**) 11 Jan 2005, 05:23 pm

My husband just got off the phone with the mechanic - he did check the
ingnition switch as well as the coil. They checked it before and after
they changed the distributor and they both check out fine.

#12 (**permalink**) 12 Jan 2005, 01:02 am

darien7684 wrote:
> My husband just got off the phone with the mechanic - he did check the
> ingnition switch as well as the coil. They checked it before and after
> they changed the distributor and they both check out fine.
>

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I hope it's not politically incorrect to point out something that's
written in the Owner's manual . . . The manual says that a flooded Honda
can be started by holding the pedal to the floor and cranking it, for up
to 15 seconds at a time.. It's got too much gas . . now hold the pedal
to the floor and give it air. A flooded Honda sounds like there's no
compression at all. It just spins fairly fast.

'Curly'

#13 (**permalink**) 12 Jan 2005, 01:15 am

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begin On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:02:46 -0700, motsco_ _ <motsco_ _@interbaun.com> wrote:
>darien7684 wrote:
>> My husband just got off the phone with the mechanic - he did check the
>> ingnition switch as well as the coil. They checked it before and after
>> they changed the distributor and they both check out fine.
>>

>----------------------------

>I hope it's not politically incorrect to point out something that's
>written in the Owner's manual . . . The manual says that a flooded Honda
>can be started by holding the pedal to the floor and cranking it, for up
>to 15 seconds at a time.. It's got too much gas . . now hold the pedal
>to the floor and give it air. A flooded Honda sounds like there's no
>compression at all. It just spins fairly fast.

I doubt that car has been flooded for weeks.

Also: fuel injected cars don't get flooded, can't get flooded.

#14 (**permalink**) 12 Jan 2005, 08:03 am

TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in
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>
> Also: fuel injected cars don't get flooded, can't get flooded.
>

They can.

Injectors leak.

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#15 (**permalink**) 12 Jan 2005, 10:39 am

TCS wrote:
> I doubt that car has been flooded for weeks.

Agreed.

> Also: fuel injected cars don't get flooded, can't get flooded.

My 94 Civic (MT) has fuel injection. The manual (p101, step 6) says, "If
the engine still does not start, press the accelerator pedal all the way
down and hold it there while starting in order to clear flooding."

#16 (**permalink**) 12 Jan 2005, 10:58 am

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begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:39:37 -0500, Abeness <news@nada.x> wrote:
>TCS wrote:
>> I doubt that car has been flooded for weeks.

>Agreed.

>> Also: fuel injected cars don't get flooded, can't get flooded.

>My 94 Civic (MT) has fuel injection. The manual (p101, step 6) says, "If
>the engine still does not start, press the accelerator pedal all the way
>down and hold it there while starting in order to clear flooding."

Amusing, obviously a holdover from carburetted days where hitting gas pedal
too much would squirt too much gas via the accelerator pump into the intake
manifold. The solution was to crank the engine with the throttle valve
wide open to get some air into the intake manifold.

On fuel injected cars, there's no fuel in an intake manifold. The air manifold
can't get flooded.

The fuel is injected directly into the area just above the intake valve. It's
cleared completely every time the intake valve opens and the fuel/air mixture is
drawn into the cylinder.

#17 (**permalink**) 12 Jan 2005, 12:28 pm

Is there any way the timing could be the problem? The first mechanic said
it was off and set it "dead on". Is it possible the timing was correct
and that is why it will not start now?

#18 (**permalink**) 12 Jan 2005, 01:38 pm

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begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:28:33 -0500, darien7684 <hmh@ilmolaw.com> wrote:
>Is there any way the timing could be the problem? The first mechanic said
>it was off and set it "dead on". Is it possible the timing was correct
>and that is why it will not start now?

Timing can be way off before it won't start. It'll do thinks like backfire
or "almost catch". The range of adjustment is about 25 degrees, anywhere
within 25 degrees it should start. Easy enough to test with a timing
light.

First things first: does it even have ignition (spark?)
then you can check the timing.

Is there fuel pressure?
is fuel getting to the injector rail?
is there a signal going to the injectors?
Is the injector rail connected properly and grounded?
If there's fuel and the car isn't starting, raw gas should be going
out the tail pipe (and destroying the catalytic convertor)

Is the exhaust free flowing, not pluged?

Is there compression?

Any competant mechanic should have checked all of the above in the first
hour.

#19 (**permalink**) 12 Jan 2005, 04:18 pm

TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in
news:slrncuai9f.gve.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net:

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> begin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:39:37 -0500, Abeness <news@nada.x>
> wrote:
>>TCS wrote:
>>> I doubt that car has been flooded for weeks.
>
>>Agreed.
>
>>> Also: fuel injected cars don't get flooded, can't get flooded.
>
>>My 94 Civic (MT) has fuel injection. The manual (p101, step 6) says,
>>"If the engine still does not start, press the accelerator pedal all
>>the way down and hold it there while starting in order to clear
>>flooding."
>
> Amusing, obviously a holdover from carburetted days where hitting gas
> pedal too much would squirt too much gas via the accelerator pump into
> the intake manifold. The solution was to crank the engine with the
> throttle valve wide open to get some air into the intake manifold.

If you attempt to start a cold car but fail to let it crank long enough to
allow it to start, then do the same thing several times in a row, this can
flood the engine. some people actually manage to do this, believe it or
not.

Also, injectors do leak, especially when new and not fully bedded in. If
you get a couple that dribble into the combustion chamber overnight, you
can flood those cylinders enough to make the car fail to start, or to start
hard.

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#20 (**permalink**) 12 Jan 2005, 04:34 pm

He said the car has everything it should to start - meaning all the tests
came out fine.

I believe that he is a competant mechanic ... he has checked everything
that a car needs to start, however, it still does not start.

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