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The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to burn
before Honda issues a recall ?

USA Today
Sept. 9, 2004 08:23 AM


Honda, which has reports of 60 fires from oil-filter leaks in some CR-V
sport-utility vehicles, plans to step up communication with its dealers and
remind all oil-change shops of proper service procedures.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration closed a preliminary
investigation July 1 despite 22 reports of fires after oil changes in 2003
CR-Vs. Honda said at the time it was notifying dealers that the oil filters
could stick and oil drips could cause a fire if the work wasn't done
properly.

Since then, the agency and automaker have become aware of 38 more fires. All
but 10 of the incidents occurred before mid-July, and all but one were in
'03 and '04 models. The exception was a single fire in a 2002 model, the
year the vehicle was redesigned.

Spokesman Andy Boyd says Honda did not change manufacturing or repair
procedures for the '03 and '04 models and is looking into whether there were
flaws with the filters or how they were installed. The fires have occurred
only when original filters were in place.

It has no explanation for why repair work could suddenly go so wrong for the
more recent versions of the redesigned CR-V. Says Bill Willen, Honda's
managing counsel: "It 'is' unusual."

NHTSA says that if service technicians failed to remove the old seals when
changing oil filters, oil leaks from stacked or otherwise damaged seals
could cause exhaust-system fires. The CR-V's exhaust manifold is positioned
in a way that makes it easier for leaking oil to hit it, Honda says.

There are about 290,000 2003-04 CR-Vs on the road. Honda recommends oil and
oil-filter changes every 10,000 miles, but Boyd says some customers have the
work done at about 5,000 miles.

NHTSA is monitoring Honda's response to the problem and could reopen the
investigation or negotiate a recall. But the agency believes it is a
technician error.

The Washington Post has reported that several CR-V owners had narrow escapes
from fiery vehicles, although, Boyd says, smoke should provide enough
warning for people to get away from vehicles safely. No injuries have been
reported, though at least two owners have filed lawsuits against Honda over
the problem.

Before its decision this week to notify all independent lube shops and
increase communication with dealers, Honda had notified all of its dealers
and included information in its quarterly publication for independent shops,
which will be distributed next month.

"We're not looking to downplay customer concerns, but in a certain sense,
this is a self-curing issue," says Boyd. "Looking underneath and making sure
there's nothing stuck underneath the (engine) block is standard operating
procedure, and with very few exceptions, dealers are doing it."

Why should honda issuse a recall?

The tech is just forgetting to remove the rubber seal on the oil filter? On
all filters it happens from time to time. NOT just Honda. Remember the
person doing the oil change is most likely some 'kid' just starting out.






"Nino NoSpam" <Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to
burn
> before Honda issues a recall ?
>
> USA Today
> Sept. 9, 2004 08:23 AM
>
>
> Honda, which has reports of 60 fires from oil-filter leaks in some CR-V
> sport-utility vehicles, plans to step up communication with its dealers
and
> remind all oil-change shops of proper service procedures.
>
> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration closed a preliminary
> investigation July 1 despite 22 reports of fires after oil changes in 2003
> CR-Vs. Honda said at the time it was notifying dealers that the oil
filters
> could stick and oil drips could cause a fire if the work wasn't done
> properly.
>
> Since then, the agency and automaker have become aware of 38 more fires.
All
> but 10 of the incidents occurred before mid-July, and all but one were in
> '03 and '04 models. The exception was a single fire in a 2002 model, the
> year the vehicle was redesigned.
>
> Spokesman Andy Boyd says Honda did not change manufacturing or repair
> procedures for the '03 and '04 models and is looking into whether there
were
> flaws with the filters or how they were installed. The fires have occurred
> only when original filters were in place.
>
> It has no explanation for why repair work could suddenly go so wrong for
the
> more recent versions of the redesigned CR-V. Says Bill Willen, Honda's
> managing counsel: "It 'is' unusual."
>
> NHTSA says that if service technicians failed to remove the old seals when
> changing oil filters, oil leaks from stacked or otherwise damaged seals
> could cause exhaust-system fires. The CR-V's exhaust manifold is
positioned
> in a way that makes it easier for leaking oil to hit it, Honda says.
>
> There are about 290,000 2003-04 CR-Vs on the road. Honda recommends oil
and
> oil-filter changes every 10,000 miles, but Boyd says some customers have
the
> work done at about 5,000 miles.
>
> NHTSA is monitoring Honda's response to the problem and could reopen the
> investigation or negotiate a recall. But the agency believes it is a
> technician error.
>
> The Washington Post has reported that several CR-V owners had narrow
escapes
> from fiery vehicles, although, Boyd says, smoke should provide enough
> warning for people to get away from vehicles safely. No injuries have been
> reported, though at least two owners have filed lawsuits against Honda
over
> the problem.
>
> Before its decision this week to notify all independent lube shops and
> increase communication with dealers, Honda had notified all of its dealers
> and included information in its quarterly publication for independent
shops,
> which will be distributed next month.
>
> "We're not looking to downplay customer concerns, but in a certain sense,
> this is a self-curing issue," says Boyd. "Looking underneath and making
sure
> there's nothing stuck underneath the (engine) block is standard operating
> procedure, and with very few exceptions, dealers are doing it."
>
>
>

so, other than the fact that usa today are suckered into running another
story that serves the protectionist interests of domestic car makers and
what used to be their highly profitable suv niche, where's the news?

events occurred before july. nhtsa still inactive. so why the
astroturf big guy?

[astroturf = fake grass - term also used to describe fake "grass roots
public opinion" generated by interest groups posing as ordinary members
of the public]



Nino NoSpam wrote:
> The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to burn
> before Honda issues a recall ?
>
> USA Today
> Sept. 9, 2004 08:23 AM
>
>
> Honda, which has reports of 60 fires from oil-filter leaks in some CR-V
> sport-utility vehicles, plans to step up communication with its dealers and
> remind all oil-change shops of proper service procedures.
>
> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration closed a preliminary
> investigation July 1 despite 22 reports of fires after oil changes in 2003
> CR-Vs. Honda said at the time it was notifying dealers that the oil filters
> could stick and oil drips could cause a fire if the work wasn't done
> properly.
>
> Since then, the agency and automaker have become aware of 38 more fires. All
> but 10 of the incidents occurred before mid-July, and all but one were in
> '03 and '04 models. The exception was a single fire in a 2002 model, the
> year the vehicle was redesigned.
>
> Spokesman Andy Boyd says Honda did not change manufacturing or repair
> procedures for the '03 and '04 models and is looking into whether there were
> flaws with the filters or how they were installed. The fires have occurred
> only when original filters were in place.
>
> It has no explanation for why repair work could suddenly go so wrong for the
> more recent versions of the redesigned CR-V. Says Bill Willen, Honda's
> managing counsel: "It 'is' unusual."
>
> NHTSA says that if service technicians failed to remove the old seals when
> changing oil filters, oil leaks from stacked or otherwise damaged seals
> could cause exhaust-system fires. The CR-V's exhaust manifold is positioned
> in a way that makes it easier for leaking oil to hit it, Honda says.
>
> There are about 290,000 2003-04 CR-Vs on the road. Honda recommends oil and
> oil-filter changes every 10,000 miles, but Boyd says some customers have the
> work done at about 5,000 miles.
>
> NHTSA is monitoring Honda's response to the problem and could reopen the
> investigation or negotiate a recall. But the agency believes it is a
> technician error.
>
> The Washington Post has reported that several CR-V owners had narrow escapes
> from fiery vehicles, although, Boyd says, smoke should provide enough
> warning for people to get away from vehicles safely. No injuries have been
> reported, though at least two owners have filed lawsuits against Honda over
> the problem.
>
> Before its decision this week to notify all independent lube shops and
> increase communication with dealers, Honda had notified all of its dealers
> and included information in its quarterly publication for independent shops,
> which will be distributed next month.
>
> "We're not looking to downplay customer concerns, but in a certain sense,
> this is a self-curing issue," says Boyd. "Looking underneath and making sure
> there's nothing stuck underneath the (engine) block is standard operating
> procedure, and with very few exceptions, dealers are doing it."
>
>
>

Nino NoSpam wrote:
> The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to burn
> before Honda issues a recall ?

a recall to do what? change everyones oil filters? if they cant figure
out how to check for stuck gasket material now, what makes you think a
recall will change things?

yet another reason i will always change my own oil.

"Nino NoSpam" <Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to
> burn before Honda issues a recall ?

> NHTSA is monitoring Honda's response to the problem and could reopen the
> investigation or negotiate a recall. But the agency believes it is a
> technician error.

Recall the technicians?

"Nino NoSpam" <Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<off0d.377380$gE.216419@pd7tw3no>...
> The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to burn
> before Honda issues a recall ?
>
> USA Today
> Sept. 9, 2004 08:23 AM
>
>
> Honda, which has reports of 60 fires from oil-filter leaks in some CR-V
> sport-utility vehicles, plans to step up communication with its dealers and
> remind all oil-change shops of proper service procedures.
>

The only Honda owners getting excited about this are those that don't
change their own oil. I've purchased 3 Hondas new and they all had the
old oil filter gasket stick to the block during the first oil change.
You have to make sure the old gasket is still with the filter when you
take it off, otherwise, reach up there and pull it off the block.

In article <off0d.377380$gE.216419@pd7tw3no>,
Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca says...

>The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to burn
>before Honda issues a recall ?

anyone too stupid to not check that the gasket came off with the filter should
not be doing an oil change. this can happen with any car if you are not
careful.
---------------
Alex

midwesterner wrote:

> "Nino NoSpam" <Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<off0d.377380$gE.216419@pd7tw3no>...
>
>>The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to burn
>>before Honda issues a recall ?
>>
>>USA Today
>>Sept. 9, 2004 08:23 AM
>>
>>
>>Honda, which has reports of 60 fires from oil-filter leaks in some CR-V
>>sport-utility vehicles, plans to step up communication with its dealers and
>>remind all oil-change shops of proper service procedures.
>>
>
>
> The only Honda owners getting excited about this are those that don't
> change their own oil. I've purchased 3 Hondas new and they all had the
> old oil filter gasket stick to the block during the first oil change.
> You have to make sure the old gasket is still with the filter when you
> take it off, otherwise, reach up there and pull it off the block.


wouldnt this be, maybe, possibly... a crappy fram designed oil filter
problem? possibly a badly glued rubber band ring, instead of an o-ring?
id be in the supplier's ass about it.

"SoCalMike" <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> midwesterner wrote:
>
> > "Nino NoSpam" <Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:<off0d.377380$gE.216419@pd7tw3no>...
> >
> >>The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to
burn
> >>before Honda issues a recall ?
> >>
> >>USA Today
> >>Sept. 9, 2004 08:23 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>Honda, which has reports of 60 fires from oil-filter leaks in some CR-V
> >>sport-utility vehicles, plans to step up communication with its dealers
and
> >>remind all oil-change shops of proper service procedures.
> >>
> >
> >
> > The only Honda owners getting excited about this are those that don't
> > change their own oil. I've purchased 3 Hondas new and they all had the
> > old oil filter gasket stick to the block during the first oil change.
> > You have to make sure the old gasket is still with the filter when you
> > take it off, otherwise, reach up there and pull it off the block.
>
>
> wouldnt this be, maybe, possibly... a crappy fram designed oil filter
> problem? possibly a badly glued rubber band ring, instead of an o-ring?
> id be in the supplier's ass about it.

I imagine Honda probably is. I doubt they're very impressed with the bad
publicity for one of their best selling vehicles.

This has been happening ever since there were oil filters. I'm not sure why
the honda is taking a beating here, all cars have this problem. Although,
most don't catch on fire, just leak and smell.
>
> wouldnt this be, maybe, possibly... a crappy fram designed oil filter
> problem? possibly a badly glued rubber band ring, instead of an o-ring? id
> be in the supplier's ass about it.