Honda Car Forum

In article <_L41d.24413$Wv5.2172@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
caroline10027remove@earthlink.net says...
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>"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote
>> bottom line, since honda & nhtsa have sent out their maintenance
>> directives, and those that have followed them have not had any problems,
>> then there's not an issue.

>2) Are there *special* steps that are now necessary when changing the oil in
>this particular model of car? If so, this is a sufficiently big deal that I
>still see no fear-mongering. How certain are you that all techs. now know
>about
>this, hm?

Nothing different than for any other car. On all cars you always have to make
sure the gasket from the filter you are replacing comes off with the filter,
or remove it on your own if it stayed on the car. Cleaning up spilled oil
is also something you should always do with you do this job. If nothing
else, the oil won't attract dirt.

>People are right to be concerned. Until further notice, I think it's entirely
>fair to call this a safety issue about which owners should be aware.

They should be concerned that they are trusting their vehicles to someone
who doesn't know how to properly change an oil filter. If they can't do
something that simple, you don't want them doing anything else to your car.
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Alex

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

> In article <Dlx0d.167808$Fg5.165216@attbi_s53>, mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com
> says...
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>
>>wouldnt this be, maybe, possibly... a crappy fram designed oil filter
>>problem? possibly a badly glued rubber band ring, instead of an o-ring?
>>id be in the supplier's ass about it.
>
>
> I used 'crappy' fram filters for all 110k miles I owned my Omni GLH-T and
> I never had any problems. The gaskets always came off with the filter. Of
> course I always changed my own oil and I always made sure to put a small amount
> of oil on the gasket before I installed it.
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ive used fram myself on other vehicles with no problems and no gaskets
coming off the filter. usually theres enough oil drippage on the place
where the o-ring goes that if you dont wipe it off, theres no real need
to oil the ring. ill usually dab my finger in the oil change pan and
smear some on anyway tho.

toyota filters on some models used a real o-ring, and it was crimped
into the filter.

_chris_ <chris_farr@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> the old filter. Also the tech isn't lubricating the new seal. What they
> mean by lubricate the seal is just rub a thin layer of new oil onto the seal
> of the new filter before installing it.

Oiling the seal makes it easier to get the filter off the next time. I
don't think it has any effect on this installation. I would suggest that
it is Honda that is failing to oil the seal at the factory, so that it
sticks when the oil is removed the first time.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5

Grumpy au Contraire <Grumpy@doofis.fakecom> wrote:
> Many manufacturers used left hand threads on the left side of the car
> for wheels. All my Studebakers 1956 and older have this feature. And
> you are probably right regarding the tire monkeys failing to see the "L"
> on each left hand stud...

> Idiots are nothing new but now there are just a lot more of 'em!

I think they'd give up sooner if they didn't have air impact wrenches capable
of ripping the studs apart. They might pay no attention to what the wrench
is doing. "lefty loosey, righty tighty" GGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRR. It either
lossens or breaks off. No additional effort required.

A manual wrench would require more effort.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5

Grumpy au Contraire <Grumpy@doofis.fakecom> wrote:

> Another thing that gets my goat is the use of impact wrenches to tighten
> lug nuts. I always specify "hand tighten" only.

I think one of the bad habits is hanging the wheel on the top stud, and
running that nut up to "proper" torque. Then tightening the other lug nuts
overstresses that first lug, as the wheel tilts down to become flat against
the hub.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5

"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote
> Caroline wrote:
> > "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote
> >
> >>bottom line, since honda & nhtsa have sent out their maintenance
> >>directives, and those that have followed them have not had any problems,
> >>then there's not an issue.
> >
> >
> > 1) I'd need to see an official report on this.
>
> they were referenced back when this topic first surfaced a few months ago.

The only thing that was referenced was the NHTSA study and an implication that
of course all parties concerned would be careful to follow the correct
procedures. I wouldn't call this any kind of "directive."

But if you insist it was, then contrary to your assertion, since July 1st, 38
more fires have occurred (beyond the 22 that had occurred by July 1).
Twenty-eight of these were before mid-July. The remaining 10 were since
mid-July.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...08-honda_x.htm

> > 2) Are there *special* steps that are now necessary when changing the oil in
> > this particular model of car?
>
> i guess different folks have different ideas, but personally, i wouldn't
> call checking the gasket and mopping spillage "special". honda directed
> techs to simply make sure they actually follow existing procedure.

If it was that "simple," there never would have been fires.

Note also that the article above focuses exclusively on dealers, not places like
Jiffy Lube, independent shops, etc.

Yup, we disagree.

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote
C wrote
> >People are right to be concerned. Until further notice, I think it's entirely
> >fair to call this a safety issue about which owners should be aware.
>
> They should be concerned that they are trusting their vehicles to someone
> who doesn't know how to properly change an oil filter. If they can't do
> something that simple, you don't want them doing anything else to your car.


As a rational person, doesn't the fact that these fires aren't occurring on
other cars make you think something is different about this car design?

Maybe not radically different. Maybe not so different to warrant a design
change. But definitely different enough to warrant a different approach to
changing the oil?

Don't read too much into "different." All I'm saying is that "being more careful
than usual" by definition is a different approach.

dold@XReXXMoreX.usenet.us.com wrote:
> I think one of the bad habits is hanging the wheel on the top stud, and
> running that nut up to "proper" torque. Then tightening the other lug nuts
> overstresses that first lug, as the wheel tilts down to become flat against
> the hub.

Again something that one needs to know something about: tighten the nuts
evenly, always opposing nuts, until the proper torque is reached. I'm
pretty sure good manuals discuss this technique here and there. Those
who take shortcuts might ignore it, though.

dold@XReXXMoreX.usenet.us.com wrote:
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> Grumpy au Contraire <Grumpy@doofis.fakecom> wrote:
>
> > Another thing that gets my goat is the use of impact wrenches to tighten
> > lug nuts. I always specify "hand tighten" only.
>
> I think one of the bad habits is hanging the wheel on the top stud, and
> running that nut up to "proper" torque. Then tightening the other lug nuts
> overstresses that first lug, as the wheel tilts down to become flat against
> the hub.
>
>

That is especially true if you have only four lugs. Never the less, it
is poor practice to immediately to fully tighten a lug.


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JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

The tech is still not doing his/her job correctly. Doesn't matter if the
seal is lubed at the factory. The tech. should know to look for & remove if
necessary the seal before installing the new filter. TOO SIMPLE!




<dold@XReXXMoreX.usenet.us.com> wrote in message
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> _chris_ <chris_farr@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > the old filter. Also the tech isn't lubricating the new seal. What
they
> > mean by lubricate the seal is just rub a thin layer of new oil onto the
seal
> > of the new filter before installing it.
>
> Oiling the seal makes it easier to get the filter off the next time. I
> don't think it has any effect on this installation. I would suggest that
> it is Honda that is failing to oil the seal at the factory, so that it
> sticks when the oil is removed the first time.
>
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> Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5
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