Honda Car Forum

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <off0d.377380$gE.216419@pd7tw3no>,
> Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca says...
>
> >The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to
burn
> >before Honda issues a recall ?
>
> anyone too stupid to not check that the gasket came off with the filter
should
> not be doing an oil change. this can happen with any car if you are not
> careful.
> ---------------
> Alex
>

Too true. It's not a design problem like the idiot screaming for a recall
are claiming. It's a retarded service tech issue. Personally, I wouldn't
blame Honda, I'd just sue the hell out of the dealer.

On 9/11/04 1:51 PM, in article
9PH0d.126345$Np3.5405494@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca, "Sean D"
<nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:

>
> "Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
> news:chttot$il3$3@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>> In article <off0d.377380$gE.216419@pd7tw3no>,
>> Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca says...
>>
>>> The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to
> burn
>>> before Honda issues a recall ?
>>
>> anyone too stupid to not check that the gasket came off with the filter
> should
>> not be doing an oil change. this can happen with any car if you are not
>> careful.
>> ---------------
>> Alex
>>
>
> Too true. It's not a design problem like the idiot screaming for a recall
> are claiming. It's a retarded service tech issue. Personally, I wouldn't
> blame Honda, I'd just sue the hell out of the dealer.
>
>

I agree its not a significant design problem warranting a recall, but why
does Honda insist on putting the oil filter above the exhaust and accessible
only from underneath the car on their 4 cylinder engines? At the least its
an unnecessary hassle when changing the filter, and I suspect there are a
lot of Hondas out there with filters that have never been changed because of
the location.

Listen, I am not an idiot! If you read the NHSTA report you will find that
some filtrers had distorted or pinched seals, so it's not only a stacked
seal problem! Secondly, fires also occured at Honda dealers who used
original Honda filters! Furthermore, why isn't this happening in the
earlier year CR-Vs? Why can't Honda simply put some kind of barrier between
the oil pan and the exhaust to prevent further problems? In most vehicles,
the worst that can happen is oil on your driveway, not a fire! What is
peace of mind worth? No who's the idiot--Sean?

"Sean D" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
> news:chttot$il3$3@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>> In article <off0d.377380$gE.216419@pd7tw3no>,
>> Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca says...
>>
>> >The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to
> burn
>> >before Honda issues a recall ?
>>
>> anyone too stupid to not check that the gasket came off with the filter
> should
>> not be doing an oil change. this can happen with any car if you are not
>> careful.
>> ---------------
>> Alex
>>
>
> Too true. It's not a design problem like the idiot screaming for a recall
> are claiming. It's a retarded service tech issue. Personally, I wouldn't
> blame Honda, I'd just sue the hell out of the dealer.
>
>

HomeBrewer wrote:

> This has been happening ever since there were oil filters. I'm not sure why
> the honda is taking a beating here, all cars have this problem. Although,
> most don't catch on fire, just leak and smell.

I think that might be the point: An argument could easily be made for
not situating an opening that could potentially leak a flammable liquid
directly over a hot exhaust pipe. People are often sloppy--sad but true.
Placing an oil filter over the exhaust seems kinda dumb to me.

E. Meyer wrote:

> On 9/11/04 1:51 PM, in article
> 9PH0d.126345$Np3.5405494@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca, "Sean D"
> <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
>>news:chttot$il3$3@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu.. .
>>
>>>In article <off0d.377380$gE.216419@pd7tw3no>,
>>>Nino.NoSpam@unsubscribenews@shaw.ca says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>The count for Honda CR-V fires is now up to 60. How many more have to
>>
>>burn
>>
>>>>before Honda issues a recall ?
>>>
>>>anyone too stupid to not check that the gasket came off with the filter
>>
>>should
>>
>>>not be doing an oil change. this can happen with any car if you are not
>>>careful.
>>>---------------
>>>Alex
>>>
>>
>>Too true. It's not a design problem like the idiot screaming for a recall
>>are claiming. It's a retarded service tech issue. Personally, I wouldn't
>>blame Honda, I'd just sue the hell out of the dealer.
>>
>>
>
>
> I agree its not a significant design problem warranting a recall, but why
> does Honda insist on putting the oil filter above the exhaust and accessible
> only from underneath the car on their 4 cylinder engines? At the least its
> an unnecessary hassle when changing the filter, and I suspect there are a
> lot of Hondas out there with filters that have never been changed because of
> the location.

on my 4 cyl honda, its below and to the left of the intake. the exhaust
is on the front side.

nospam@nospam.ca (Sean*D) wrote:

>>anyone too stupid to not check that the
>>gasket came off with the filter should
>>not be doing an oil change. this can
>>happen with any car if you are not
>>careful.

>Too true. It's not a design problem like
>the idiot screaming for a recall are
>claiming. It's a retarded service tech
>issue.

But, that same "retarded service tech" is working on a myriad of other
cars and there doesn't seem to be a problem with them.

I think there is a problem with the design of the CRV, if only that
there's a flammable area right below where the oil can drip, due to this
supposed wide spread service tech error...that only seems to occur with
one model Honda.

The internet has changed how people can gather info. If a company sees a
pattern, like Toyota did with the sludge issue and Honda has with the
tranny issue, and they move quickly to satisfy its customer, they're
much better off than allowing the complaints to grow.

Honda needs to address this growing issue and why it's this one model.

ravelation wrote:
>
> nospam@nospam.ca (Sean D) wrote:
>
>
>>>anyone too stupid to not check that the
>
> >>gasket came off with the filter should
> >>not be doing an oil change. this can
> >>happen with any car if you are not
> >>careful.
>
>
>>Too true. It's not a design problem like
>
> >the idiot screaming for a recall are
> >claiming. It's a retarded service tech
> >issue.
>
> But, that same "retarded service tech" is working on a myriad of other
> cars and there doesn't seem to be a problem with them.
>
> I think there is a problem with the design of the CRV, if only that
> there's a flammable area right below where the oil can drip, due to this
> supposed wide spread service tech error...that only seems to occur with
> one model Honda.
>
> The internet has changed how people can gather info. If a company sees a
> pattern, like Toyota did with the sludge issue and Honda has with the
> tranny issue, and they move quickly to satisfy its customer, they're
> much better off than allowing the complaints to grow.
>
> Honda needs to address this growing issue and why it's this one model.
>

"growing issue"??? the only thing that's "growing" is the amount of hot
air generated on this group. or your susceptibility to fearmongering.
read the stats.

"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote
> ravelation wrote:
snip
> > But, that same "retarded service tech" is working on a myriad of other
> > cars and there doesn't seem to be a problem with them.
> >
> > I think there is a problem with the design of the CRV, if only that
> > there's a flammable area right below where the oil can drip, due to this
> > supposed wide spread service tech error...that only seems to occur with
> > one model Honda.
> >
> > The internet has changed how people can gather info. If a company sees a
> > pattern, like Toyota did with the sludge issue and Honda has with the
> > tranny issue, and they move quickly to satisfy its customer, they're
> > much better off than allowing the complaints to grow.
> >
> > Honda needs to address this growing issue and why it's this one model.
> >
>
> "growing issue"??? the only thing that's "growing" is the amount of hot
> air generated on this group. or your susceptibility to fearmongering.
> read the stats.

I for one see no "fear mongering." The stats speak for themselves: Unless these
fires are happening at the same rate with other vehicles, there is legitimate
cause for concern.

Caroline wrote:
> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote
>
>>ravelation wrote:
>
> snip
>
>>>But, that same "retarded service tech" is working on a myriad of other
>>>cars and there doesn't seem to be a problem with them.
>>>
>>>I think there is a problem with the design of the CRV, if only that
>>>there's a flammable area right below where the oil can drip, due to this
>>>supposed wide spread service tech error...that only seems to occur with
>>>one model Honda.
>>>
>>>The internet has changed how people can gather info. If a company sees a
>>>pattern, like Toyota did with the sludge issue and Honda has with the
>>>tranny issue, and they move quickly to satisfy its customer, they're
>>>much better off than allowing the complaints to grow.
>>>
>>>Honda needs to address this growing issue and why it's this one model.
>>>
>>
>>"growing issue"??? the only thing that's "growing" is the amount of hot
>>air generated on this group. or your susceptibility to fearmongering.
>>read the stats.
>
>
> I for one see no "fear mongering." The stats speak for themselves: Unless these
> fires are happening at the same rate with other vehicles, there is legitimate
> cause for concern.

if it was "continuing to happen" in the light of techs being told to
sharpen up their act, then yes, it's an issue. but otherwise, it's not.

example: left hand wheel nuts on cars are theoretically dangerous
because they have a tendency to loosen. but, if technicians do what
they're told and tighten to the correct torque, then we almost never see
a wheel drop off a car. this is a deliberately contentious example:
have you /ever/ seen anyone question manufacturers lack of willingness
to use left handed threads on cars like they do on big rigs, even though
it would be safer? and i'll bet you the number of fatalities each year
for light vehicle wheel separation vastly exceeds the number of driveway
fires from crv's.

bottom line, since honda & nhtsa have sent out their maintenance
directives, and those that have followed them have not had any problems,
then there's not an issue. people just need to follow the specified
instructions, just like not using engine oil in the braking system or
using brake fluid to polish the paint..... idiot-proofing can only go
so far. not checking gaskets or mopping spilled oil are in that same
category!

"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote
> bottom line, since honda & nhtsa have sent out their maintenance
> directives, and those that have followed them have not had any problems,
> then there's not an issue.

1) I'd need to see an official report on this.

2) Are there *special* steps that are now necessary when changing the oil in
this particular model of car? If so, this is a sufficiently big deal that I
still see no fear-mongering. How certain are you that all techs. now know about
this, hm?

People are right to be concerned. Until further notice, I think it's entirely
fair to call this a safety issue about which owners should be aware.