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I recently went shopaholic and bought a '99 Infiniti G20T manual tranny
car. I used to drive a '70s Honda Civic with a manual and have been
pining for a taste of what it's like to drive a stick again.

While it's been fun, all three of us are having difficulty understanding
the people who defend the manual tranny to the end.

Perhaps you could share why you would choose to never drive an auto
tranny and will shift till your dying day? I'm still enjoying the
experience of shifting, but can see tiring of it in a month.

What keeps you manual's from moving to the "dark side" lol of auto
bliss?

ravelation@webtv.net (ravelation) decided to join the conversation on 14
Aug 2004 with message
news:5818-411E34B7-123@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net:

> I recently went shopaholic and bought a '99 Infiniti G20T manual
> tranny car. I used to drive a '70s Honda Civic with a manual and have
> been pining for a taste of what it's like to drive a stick again.
>
> While it's been fun, all three of us are having difficulty
> understanding the people who defend the manual tranny to the end.
>
> Perhaps you could share why you would choose to never drive an auto
> tranny and will shift till your dying day? I'm still enjoying the
> experience of shifting, but can see tiring of it in a month.
>
> What keeps you manual's from moving to the "dark side" lol of auto
> bliss?
>

Seems like with a manual transmission, you KNOW it's going to need to be
fixed every so often (clutch related parts wearing out) ... If something
is wrong with it, they can fix just that part..

With automatics, if something is wrong, seems like the whole damn thing
needs to be rebuilt .. and you never know when that's gonna happen, and
it's hella expensive.

With MT, I can get better acceleration from a stop.. For example, when
turning left across oncoming traffic.. In my AT car, I punch the gas and
hope and pray it won't lurch forward like it's in 2nd gear or something.

MT cars don't usually need a jump.. just roll-started

I like having control over when I shift as opposed to having a computer
predict when I want to shift based on the position of the gas pedal.

All car thieves know how to drive an automatic.. Not all know how to
drive a stick Take this article, for example:
http://tinyurl.com/68fjo





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In article <Xns95457D0184B76chrisgarcia@68.1.17.6>,
Chris Garcia <chris@evangar.com> wrote:

> With MT, I can get better acceleration from a stop..

Wanna bet?




> MT cars don't usually need a jump.. just roll-started

Ah, in the days before computerized everything. There isn't a car built
today that can be roll-started.

Strike 2.




> I like having control over when I shift as opposed to having a computer
> predict when I want to shift based on the position of the gas pedal.

So get one with the manual shift control, like just about every major
auto trans has nowadays--like Chrylser's AutoStick.

Strike 3...

In article <elmop-B73E77.13223914082004@text.usenetserver.com>, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <Xns95457D0184B76chrisgarcia@68.1.17.6>,
> Chris Garcia <chris@evangar.com> wrote:
>
>> With MT, I can get better acceleration from a stop..
>
>Wanna bet?

If done properly (rev and either side-step or quickly slip
clutch), manuals are faster. In part since they are more
efficient, also they tend to have have tighter ratios (but not
always now with 6-speed autos). But for normal driving, you can
probably be faster with an auto since they torque multiply.


>> I like having control over when I shift as opposed to having a computer
>> predict when I want to shift based on the position of the gas pedal.
>
>So get one with the manual shift control, like just about every major
>auto trans has nowadays--like Chrylser's AutoStick.

Yeah, but the majority (though not all) of them don't hold a gear,
they'll upshift when at redline. Some even before. And they also
tend to shift pretty slowly. None of these slushbox automanuals
are as good as a manual. More lossy. Slow shifts. I haven't
found an automanual I like.


It all, I think, comes down to that feeling of one-ness with a
car. And of mastering skills such as heel-toeing (which I'm
half-a**ed at) and rev-matching. I drive both and I far-prefer a
manual for any sporting car.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article <Xns95457D0184B76chrisgarcia@68.1.17.6>,
> Chris Garcia <chris@evangar.com> wrote:
>
>
>>With MT, I can get better acceleration from a stop..
>
>
> Wanna bet?

sure. find someone with a 96-00 civic dx hatch, auto tranny. no mods.
guaranteed ill outaccellerate them.

auto trannies are getting better, more gears, etc. but you cant rev to
the sweet spot and drop the clutch like a good ol fashioned stick.

im sure mr bone will be around to school you some more.

>
>
>
>
>
>>MT cars don't usually need a jump.. just roll-started
>
>
> Ah, in the days before computerized everything. There isn't a car built
> today that can be roll-started.

i just roll started a 98 corolla the other week. bad (OEM!)battery, girl
had to get home. its got FI, and OBD2. no problems, she made it home,
and her hubby changed the battery.
>
> Strike 2.

seems like youre whiffing, so far.
>
>
>
>
>
>>I like having control over when I shift as opposed to having a computer
>>predict when I want to shift based on the position of the gas pedal.
>
>
> So get one with the manual shift control, like just about every major
> auto trans has nowadays--like Chrylser's AutoStick.

yeah- that gimmick is going the way of LCD dashboards and voices saying
"your door is ajar". its good for the pooseys that buy porsches but dont
know how to drive stick- makes em feel like theyre "doing something".
>
> Strike 3...

come back when you have some real-world experience, and try again.

1. Manual is a minimum of $500 cheaper on a new car.

2. Repair costs of a manual transmission are lower. I think.

I'll switch to Automatic transmission when I'm elderly.

"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote
> I recently went shopaholic and bought a '99 Infiniti G20T manual tranny
> car. I used to drive a '70s Honda Civic with a manual and have been
> pining for a taste of what it's like to drive a stick again.
>
> While it's been fun, all three of us are having difficulty understanding
> the people who defend the manual tranny to the end.
>
> Perhaps you could share why you would choose to never drive an auto
> tranny and will shift till your dying day? I'm still enjoying the
> experience of shifting, but can see tiring of it in a month.
>
> What keeps you manual's from moving to the "dark side" lol of auto
> bliss?
>
>
>

In article <_vtTc.289695$JR4.276038@attbi_s54>,
SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>I like having control over when I shift as opposed to having a computer
> >>predict when I want to shift based on the position of the gas pedal.
> >
> >
> > So get one with the manual shift control, like just about every major
> > auto trans has nowadays--like Chrylser's AutoStick.
>
> yeah- that gimmick is going the way of LCD dashboards and voices saying
> "your door is ajar". its good for the pooseys that buy porsches but dont
> know how to drive stick- makes em feel like theyre "doing something".

That you don't *prefer* to control your shift points that way has
nothing to do with the fact of controlling your shift points.

YOu said you like having control over your shift points. Here's a
mechanism that does that.

If you'd take the time to get your head out of your ass, maybe you'd
state what you really mean: you *prefer* a stick shift for no more
reason than that you prefer a stick shift. It has nothing whatsoever to
do with controlling your shift points; if that were a reason, then you'd
be happy with any system that allows you to control your shift points.

But like so many others, you can't simply say "I prefer that". No, you
think you have to come up with bullshit justifications, and then act as
if your preference is an objective fact based on your bullshit
justifications.

But your "justifications" remain nothing more than bullshit.

In article <iesTc.26996$Kt5.11049@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
dm@nospam.com (Dave) wrote:

> I drive both and I far-prefer a
> manual for any sporting car.

Absolutely!

But I just read someone the other day asking about modifying a Honda
minivan to have a manual transmission--for no other reason than he and
his wife have always driven manual transmissions, and they see no reason
to change that now--DESPITE the fact that they're now driving a minivan.

They have no concept of tools and appropriateness. They don't have a
clue about anything.

a few points:

1. If you spend a great deal of your day in stop-and-go traffic, get back
over into the dark side, or a hybrid CVT car if circumstances allow.

2. The shift points of auto's are set by their engineers for a best guess
for most drivers and environments. Performance driving, twisty curvy
mountain roads demand that you decide onthe shift points. You know the
exact amount of efficiency or performance you want from one second to
another and no automatic transmission can anticipate you gunning the motor.

3. When going down proper hills, a manual tranny takes the heat off of the
brakes by giving u access to the engine friction.

4. I believe modern manual cars can still be push started. I do it every
morning rolling down the hill of my parking lot in my '97 Jetta TDI.

5. Those fake auto-shift type transmissions are no good imho. There is a
loss of energy when the linkage is not direct; you loose the engine braking
thing down hills, (I suspect, but am not certain that) you cannot push start
them, and they are more expensive.

regards,
KL
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5818-411E34B7-123@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net...
> I recently went shopaholic and bought a '99 Infiniti G20T manual tranny
> car. I used to drive a '70s Honda Civic with a manual and have been
> pining for a taste of what it's like to drive a stick again.
>
> While it's been fun, all three of us are having difficulty understanding
> the people who defend the manual tranny to the end.
>
> Perhaps you could share why you would choose to never drive an auto
> tranny and will shift till your dying day? I'm still enjoying the
> experience of shifting, but can see tiring of it in a month.
>
> What keeps you manual's from moving to the "dark side" lol of auto
> bliss?
>
>
>

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-D729C1.17290114082004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <iesTc.26996$Kt5.11049@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> dm@nospam.com (Dave) wrote:
>
> > I drive both and I far-prefer a
> > manual for any sporting car.
>
> Absolutely!
>
> But I just read someone the other day asking about modifying a Honda
> minivan to have a manual transmission--for no other reason than he and
> his wife have always driven manual transmissions, and they see no reason
> to change that now--DESPITE the fact that they're now driving a minivan.
>
> They have no concept of tools and appropriateness. They don't have a
> clue about anything.

Please explain revelevance.
Any good reason a van driver shouldn't have a stick?

Or is this based on your preconceptions of van drivers?