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Dear All:

I am in Toronto/Canada. I want replace Air Filter for my 1997 Honda
Accord EX-R.


Do you think which one will be better? I means the Quality.
FRAM_CA7420 (Cost about CND_39)
MotoMaster 23-3166-4 (Cost about CND_37)
from Honda Dealer in Toronto (Cost about CND_22)


Best Regards;
Alex

MAX wrote:

> Dear All:
>
> I am in Toronto/Canada. I want replace Air Filter for my 1997 Honda
> Accord EX-R.
>
>
> Do you think which one will be better? I means the Quality.
> FRAM_CA7420 (Cost about CND_39)
> MotoMaster 23-3166-4 (Cost about CND_37)
> from Honda Dealer in Toronto (Cost about CND_22)
>
>
> Best Regards;
> Alex
>
>
Get the Honda filter from the dealer.

"MAX" <max@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<kCULc.30261$Gf7.1136403@news20.bellglobal.co m>...
> Dear All:
>
> I am in Toronto/Canada. I want replace Air Filter for my 1997 Honda
> Accord EX-R.
>
>
> Do you think which one will be better? I means the Quality.
> FRAM_CA7420 (Cost about CND_39)
> MotoMaster 23-3166-4 (Cost about CND_37)
> from Honda Dealer in Toronto (Cost about CND_22)
>
>
> Best Regards;
> Alex

Well let's put it this way:

A couple of years ago I held a brand new FRAM filter up to bright
light. You can see points of light right through the paper. That
means there are holes. Big ones. Holes are not a good idea. They let
dirt through. Obviously there have to be microscopic passages, which
are also holes. But it is a matter of degree.

I took another FRAM filter out of my car at that point and looked at
it too. It had about 8 or 10 thousand miles on it and looked almost
brand new. Since I live in an average dusty area, I surmise that a
lot of the dirt was going right through instead of being trapped.

JM

<A couple of years ago I held a brand new FRAM filter up to bright light. You
can see points of light right through the paper. That
means there are holes. Big ones. Holes are not a good idea. They let dirt
through. Obviously there have to be microscopic passages, which are also
holes. But it is a matter of degree.>
Jmattis suggests an interesting point. As a filter gets older its holes slowly
get smaller -- closing up with crud. So older filters work better than new
filters -- up, of course, to the point that they don't let any oil pass
through. Seems backwards -- but isn't. Thoughts?

Quent

qdurham@aol.com (QDurham) wrote in message news:<20040723115633.25422.00001976@mb-m29.aol.com>...
> <A couple of years ago I held a brand new FRAM filter up to bright light. You
> can see points of light right through the paper. That
> means there are holes. Big ones. Holes are not a good idea. They let dirt
> through. Obviously there have to be microscopic passages, which are also
> holes. But it is a matter of degree.>
> Jmattis suggests an interesting point. As a filter gets older its holes slowly
> get smaller -- closing up with crud. So older filters work better than new
> filters -- up, of course, to the point that they don't let any oil pass
> through. Seems backwards -- but isn't. Thoughts?

I've given up on using Fram whenever possible. Their M.O. seems to be
coming up with strange "technologies" such as Sure-Grip, "Triad" air
filter fibers, etc, while skimping on other things like media area/
thickness, can thickness, cardboard internals, and flimsy filter
surrounds. I once cut my finger on a Fram air filter when the metal
mesh cut through the soft foam surround. I've never had such a problem
with AC, Purolator, or OEM filter.

There are certain filter types where there are one or two aftermarket
suppliers, and all the major sellers "rebrand" the filters. The 94-
Integra air filter was one. Regardless of whose label was on the package,
they were either made in Korea or Thailand and appeared to be from the
same suppliers. The OEM Toyo Roki filter is somewhere around the $45
range by now.

As for a good paper filter - it probably depends on the application.
That being said, I feel that nothing beats a good oiled disposable
paper filter. The paper (which may contain synthetic fibers) should
be effective at trapping dirt, and the oil should help to trap more
dust than paper alone. I've tried reusable oiled gauze filters (K&N)
and don't trust them. K&N relies on oil to trap dust, while the oil
in an oiled paper filter adds to the fibers' ability to trap dust.

Have you compared Fram oil filters to Honda OEM lately?
Well they are made by the same manufacturer, Honeywell.
Although I am hoping they are manufactured to different
specs. This only happened recently, Honda changed the
design of the filter for my 98 Civic LX.

t

>"MAX" <max@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> I am in Toronto/Canada. I want replace Air Filter
> for my 1997 Honda Accord EX-R.
> Do you think which one will be better? I means the Quality.
> FRAM_CA7420 (Cost about CND_39)
> MotoMaster 23-3166-4 (Cost about CND_37)
> from Honda Dealer in Toronto (Cost about CND_22)

Try, Amsoil reusable, washable better flow, filter and better for the
landfill, as they claim. But cost 30 Canadian percent more. K&N is another.
I'd been using these reusable for years but got tired of them because of
practicality issues. Anyway, I trust the dealer genuine part.

>"disallow" <loewen_t at yahoo.ca @> wrote in message

> Have you compared Fram oil filters to Honda OEM lately?
> Well they are made by the same manufacturer, Honeywell.
> Although I am hoping they are manufactured to different
> specs. This only happened recently, Honda changed the
> design of the filter for my 98 Civic LX.

I bet Honda inspect there filter for quality. In one
scenario I bought an OEM BMW air filter (MAHL) and
a V belt from two separate source and one of the source
fail to keep their quality (rips.) I will give thumbs up for
europartsdirect.com for quality aftermarket, genuine and OEM
parts. I now make it a habit of testing each parts
for strength before installing them regardless of
the same manufacturer.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:34:27 -0400, "disallow" <loewen_t at yahoo.ca @>
wrote:

>Have you compared Fram oil filters to Honda OEM lately?
>Well they are made by the same manufacturer, Honeywell.

Honeywell is just the holding company for Allied Signal/Chemical. Fram is
what it's always been, with a few additional corporate budgetary
restrictions.

>Although I am hoping they are manufactured to different
>specs. This only happened recently, Honda changed the
>design of the filter for my 98 Civic LX.

Well Honda did downsize their oil filters to a universal size fairly
recently but no, Honda has been selling filters made by Fram for years...
as well as as some made by the Toyo Roki subsidiary in the U.S., i.e.
Filtech. You don't have to by their universal, "one size fits all" if you
use an aftermarket one like Purolator.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:10:05 -0400, George Macdonald
<fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:34:27 -0400, "disallow" <loewen_t at yahoo.ca @>
>wrote:
>
>>Have you compared Fram oil filters to Honda OEM lately?
>>Well they are made by the same manufacturer, Honeywell.
>
>Honeywell is just the holding company for Allied Signal/Chemical. Fram is
>what it's always been, with a few additional corporate budgetary
>restrictions.
>
>>Although I am hoping they are manufactured to different
>>specs. This only happened recently, Honda changed the
>>design of the filter for my 98 Civic LX.
>
>Well Honda did downsize their oil filters to a universal size fairly
>recently but no, Honda has been selling filters made by Fram for years...
>as well as as some made by the Toyo Roki subsidiary in the U.S., i.e.
>Filtech. You don't have to by their universal, "one size fits all" if you
>use an aftermarket one like Purolator.
>
>Rgds, George Macdonald

George,
Are you recommending Purolator? If so, which of the two grades of
Purolator?

Ron