Honda Car Forum

On 10 Jul 2004 23:03:32 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:

||NOSPAMrex@REMOVEtxol.net (Rex B) wrote in message
news:<40ef0b08.19512652@news.txol.net>...
||> ||This high pitched whining noise - does it sound like the starter motor is
||> ||spinning? Either the solenoid is not kicking the starter dog into the
ring
||> ||gear or you have lost a tooth of the ring gear. Turn the engine over by
||> ||hand using a 19mm socket on the crankshaft bolt and try again.
||>
||> ...or put it in 4th gear and push the car a foot or so (with the clutch
engaged
||> so it will turn the motor over)
||>
||
|| Are you saying push the car on the drive gear (4th gear) will rotate
||the crankshaft? That's old way to start the car by pushing the car, isn't?

You aren't trying to start it at this point. But if it's simply stopping one a
bad tooth (or teeth) on the flywheel ring gear, you can move the flywheel past
the bad spot by putting the (manual) transmission in a high gear and pushing the
car a foot or so either way. Now the starter should be adjacent a better area
of the flywheel teeth, and should get enough bite to start the motor when you
turn the key.
If it's an automatic transmission obviously this wn't wrk and you will have to
turn the engine another way.
Texas Parts Guy

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<50o1f0hm3fa41abquch6hsq9fvj9uuhdce@4ax.com>. ..
> On 10 Jul 2004 22:56:51 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:
>
> >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<8i0ue0lfrfbt2dd7t9j12f5qlmh0age0fl@4ax.com>. ..
> >> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 01:54:52 -0400, "play2winbig" <dwentz90@citynet.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have a 88 honda civic dx with a 88 honda crx motor in it. Motor put in 3
> >> >months ago, new belts, hoses. Today I started it, forgot something
> >> >inside, so I shut it off, when I come back it would not start. The motor
> >> >is not turning over at all. There is a whinning noise around the starter,
> >> >high pitched. Battery is new, have full power of lights and bells, fuel
> >> >pump is humming, so I know it is not those things. Should I look at the
> >> >starter first and the solenoid? Need help fast. I have to work on
> >> >Monday. Also, how much trouble are they to take off. I may have to do
> >> >this myself. I need pictures and instructions. Help!!
> >>
> >> This high pitched whining noise - does it sound like the starter motor is
> >> spinning? Either the solenoid is not kicking the starter dog into the ring
> >> gear or you have lost a tooth of the ring gear. Turn the engine over by
> >> hand using a 19mm socket on the crankshaft bolt and try again. If nothing,
> >> it's likely the starter/solenoid - try giving it a whack with a heavyish
> >> muffled wrench or small hammer. Some times the solenoid sticks and a light
> >> shock will break it free temporarily.
> >>
> >
> > Where is the location of Crankshaft bolt? Is bolt on the starter motor side or
> > timing belt side?
>
> It's on the timing belt side. Look in the left inner wheel well plastic
> liner. There should be a plastic plug in it which you remove to get a
> socket on an extension (5" or so) through the hole to the bolt.
>


I'm confused here. ARe you sure turning Crankshaft bolt would start up the
car for automatic tranny? I thought it only works for manual tranny.
Anyways, I have to look more to locate the crankshaft bolt.










> Rgds, George Macdonald
>
> "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

On 13 Jul 2004 19:46:25 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<50o1f0hm3fa41abquch6hsq9fvj9uuhdce@4ax.com>. ..
>> On 10 Jul 2004 22:56:51 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:
>>
>> >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<8i0ue0lfrfbt2dd7t9j12f5qlmh0age0fl@4ax.com>. ..
>> >> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 01:54:52 -0400, "play2winbig" <dwentz90@citynet.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I have a 88 honda civic dx with a 88 honda crx motor in it. Motor put in 3
>> >> >months ago, new belts, hoses. Today I started it, forgot something
>> >> >inside, so I shut it off, when I come back it would not start. The motor
>> >> >is not turning over at all. There is a whinning noise around the starter,
>> >> >high pitched. Battery is new, have full power of lights and bells, fuel
>> >> >pump is humming, so I know it is not those things. Should I look at the
>> >> >starter first and the solenoid? Need help fast. I have to work on
>> >> >Monday. Also, how much trouble are they to take off. I may have to do
>> >> >this myself. I need pictures and instructions. Help!!
>> >>
>> >> This high pitched whining noise - does it sound like the starter motor is
>> >> spinning? Either the solenoid is not kicking the starter dog into the ring
>> >> gear or you have lost a tooth of the ring gear. Turn the engine over by
>> >> hand using a 19mm socket on the crankshaft bolt and try again. If nothing,
>> >> it's likely the starter/solenoid - try giving it a whack with a heavyish
>> >> muffled wrench or small hammer. Some times the solenoid sticks and a light
>> >> shock will break it free temporarily.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Where is the location of Crankshaft bolt? Is bolt on the starter motor side or
>> > timing belt side?
>>
>> It's on the timing belt side. Look in the left inner wheel well plastic
>> liner. There should be a plastic plug in it which you remove to get a
>> socket on an extension (5" or so) through the hole to the bolt.
>>
>
>
> I'm confused here. ARe you sure turning Crankshaft bolt would start up the
>car for automatic tranny? I thought it only works for manual tranny.
>Anyways, I have to look more to locate the crankshaft bolt.

NO - it's not to start the car that I suggested turning the crankshaft!!
It was the thought that there might be a bad tooth or few teeth on the
starter ring gear which is preventing full engagement of the starter dog
gear - IOW turning the crank would move the ring gear to hopefully better
teeth.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<5b7af0tukh2efagjr80l1r0h1vod2suibj@4ax.com>. ..
> On 13 Jul 2004 19:46:25 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:
>
> >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<50o1f0hm3fa41abquch6hsq9fvj9uuhdce@4ax.com>. ..
> >> On 10 Jul 2004 22:56:51 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:
> >>
> >> >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<8i0ue0lfrfbt2dd7t9j12f5qlmh0age0fl@4ax.com>. ..
> >> >> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 01:54:52 -0400, "play2winbig" <dwentz90@citynet.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I have a 88 honda civic dx with a 88 honda crx motor in it. Motor put in 3
> >> >> >months ago, new belts, hoses. Today I started it, forgot something
> >> >> >inside, so I shut it off, when I come back it would not start. The motor
> >> >> >is not turning over at all. There is a whinning noise around the starter,
> >> >> >high pitched. Battery is new, have full power of lights and bells, fuel
> >> >> >pump is humming, so I know it is not those things. Should I look at the
> >> >> >starter first and the solenoid? Need help fast. I have to work on
> >> >> >Monday. Also, how much trouble are they to take off. I may have to do
> >> >> >this myself. I need pictures and instructions. Help!!
> >> >>
> >> >> This high pitched whining noise - does it sound like the starter motor is
> >> >> spinning? Either the solenoid is not kicking the starter dog into the ring
> >> >> gear or you have lost a tooth of the ring gear. Turn the engine over by
> >> >> hand using a 19mm socket on the crankshaft bolt and try again. If nothing,
> >> >> it's likely the starter/solenoid - try giving it a whack with a heavyish
> >> >> muffled wrench or small hammer. Some times the solenoid sticks and a light
> >> >> shock will break it free temporarily.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Where is the location of Crankshaft bolt? Is bolt on the starter motor side or
> >> > timing belt side?
> >>
> >> It's on the timing belt side. Look in the left inner wheel well plastic
> >> liner. There should be a plastic plug in it which you remove to get a
> >> socket on an extension (5" or so) through the hole to the bolt.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I'm confused here. ARe you sure turning Crankshaft bolt would start up the
> >car for automatic tranny? I thought it only works for manual tranny.
> >Anyways, I have to look more to locate the crankshaft bolt.
>
> NO - it's not to start the car that I suggested turning the crankshaft!!
> It was the thought that there might be a bad tooth or few teeth on the
> starter ring gear which is preventing full engagement of the starter dog
> gear - IOW turning the crank would move the ring gear to hopefully better
> teeth.
>

So george, Pushing the car on automatic tranny will not help
bypassing bad
gear to start up the car. It only works for manual tranny car right?
For automatic tranny, you suggest open the hood and turning crankshaft
bolt.






> Rgds, George Macdonald
>
> "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

On 14 Jul 2004 22:14:07 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<5b7af0tukh2efagjr80l1r0h1vod2suibj@4ax.com>. ..
>> On 13 Jul 2004 19:46:25 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:
>>
>> >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<50o1f0hm3fa41abquch6hsq9fvj9uuhdce@4ax.com>. ..
>> >> On 10 Jul 2004 22:56:51 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<8i0ue0lfrfbt2dd7t9j12f5qlmh0age0fl@4ax.com>. ..
>> >> >> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 01:54:52 -0400, "play2winbig" <dwentz90@citynet.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I have a 88 honda civic dx with a 88 honda crx motor in it. Motor put in 3
>> >> >> >months ago, new belts, hoses. Today I started it, forgot something
>> >> >> >inside, so I shut it off, when I come back it would not start. The motor
>> >> >> >is not turning over at all. There is a whinning noise around the starter,
>> >> >> >high pitched. Battery is new, have full power of lights and bells, fuel
>> >> >> >pump is humming, so I know it is not those things. Should I look at the
>> >> >> >starter first and the solenoid? Need help fast. I have to work on
>> >> >> >Monday. Also, how much trouble are they to take off. I may have to do
>> >> >> >this myself. I need pictures and instructions. Help!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This high pitched whining noise - does it sound like the starter motor is
>> >> >> spinning? Either the solenoid is not kicking the starter dog into the ring
>> >> >> gear or you have lost a tooth of the ring gear. Turn the engine over by
>> >> >> hand using a 19mm socket on the crankshaft bolt and try again. If nothing,
>> >> >> it's likely the starter/solenoid - try giving it a whack with a heavyish
>> >> >> muffled wrench or small hammer. Some times the solenoid sticks and a light
>> >> >> shock will break it free temporarily.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Where is the location of Crankshaft bolt? Is bolt on the starter motor side or
>> >> > timing belt side?
>> >>
>> >> It's on the timing belt side. Look in the left inner wheel well plastic
>> >> liner. There should be a plastic plug in it which you remove to get a
>> >> socket on an extension (5" or so) through the hole to the bolt.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm confused here. ARe you sure turning Crankshaft bolt would start up the
>> >car for automatic tranny? I thought it only works for manual tranny.
>> >Anyways, I have to look more to locate the crankshaft bolt.
>>
>> NO - it's not to start the car that I suggested turning the crankshaft!!
>> It was the thought that there might be a bad tooth or few teeth on the
>> starter ring gear which is preventing full engagement of the starter dog
>> gear - IOW turning the crank would move the ring gear to hopefully better
>> teeth.
>>
>
> So george, Pushing the car on automatic tranny will not help
>bypassing bad
> gear to start up the car. It only works for manual tranny car right?
>For automatic tranny, you suggest open the hood and turning crankshaft
>bolt.

Unless you want to watch the pulleys turn, you don't actually have to lift
the hood. As previously noted, you get at the crank pulley bolt from the
left front wheel well.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<ngccf0tprtnevo13t2efbg3e9u12v49456@4ax.com>. ..
> On 14 Jul 2004 22:14:07 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:
>
> >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<5b7af0tukh2efagjr80l1r0h1vod2suibj@4ax.com>. ..
> >> On 13 Jul 2004 19:46:25 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:
> >>
> >> >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<50o1f0hm3fa41abquch6hsq9fvj9uuhdce@4ax.com>. ..
> >> >> On 10 Jul 2004 22:56:51 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<8i0ue0lfrfbt2dd7t9j12f5qlmh0age0fl@4ax.com>. ..
> >> >> >> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 01:54:52 -0400, "play2winbig" <dwentz90@citynet.net>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >I have a 88 honda civic dx with a 88 honda crx motor in it. Motor put in 3
> >> >> >> >months ago, new belts, hoses. Today I started it, forgot something
> >> >> >> >inside, so I shut it off, when I come back it would not start. The motor
> >> >> >> >is not turning over at all. There is a whinning noise around the starter,
> >> >> >> >high pitched. Battery is new, have full power of lights and bells, fuel
> >> >> >> >pump is humming, so I know it is not those things. Should I look at the
> >> >> >> >starter first and the solenoid? Need help fast. I have to work on
> >> >> >> >Monday. Also, how much trouble are they to take off. I may have to do
> >> >> >> >this myself. I need pictures and instructions. Help!!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This high pitched whining noise - does it sound like the starter motor is
> >> >> >> spinning? Either the solenoid is not kicking the starter dog into the ring
> >> >> >> gear or you have lost a tooth of the ring gear. Turn the engine over by
> >> >> >> hand using a 19mm socket on the crankshaft bolt and try again. If nothing,
> >> >> >> it's likely the starter/solenoid - try giving it a whack with a heavyish
> >> >> >> muffled wrench or small hammer. Some times the solenoid sticks and a light
> >> >> >> shock will break it free temporarily.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Where is the location of Crankshaft bolt? Is bolt on the starter motor side or
> >> >> > timing belt side?
> >> >>
> >> >> It's on the timing belt side. Look in the left inner wheel well plastic
> >> >> liner. There should be a plastic plug in it which you remove to get a
> >> >> socket on an extension (5" or so) through the hole to the bolt.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'm confused here. ARe you sure turning Crankshaft bolt would start up the
> >> >car for automatic tranny? I thought it only works for manual tranny.
> >> >Anyways, I have to look more to locate the crankshaft bolt.
> >>
> >> NO - it's not to start the car that I suggested turning the crankshaft!!
> >> It was the thought that there might be a bad tooth or few teeth on the
> >> starter ring gear which is preventing full engagement of the starter dog
> >> gear - IOW turning the crank would move the ring gear to hopefully better
> >> teeth.
> >>
> >
> > So george, Pushing the car on automatic tranny will not help
> >bypassing bad
> > gear to start up the car. It only works for manual tranny car right?
> >For automatic tranny, you suggest open the hood and turning crankshaft
> >bolt.
>
> Unless you want to watch the pulleys turn, you don't actually have to lift
> the hood. As previously noted, you get at the crank pulley bolt from the
> left front wheel well.
>


Is left front tire must be dismounted to access the crank pulley bolt?
I know I ask stupid question. Be patient with me.



> Rgds, George Macdonald
>
> "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

On 16 Jul 2004 00:58:31 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<ngccf0tprtnevo13t2efbg3e9u12v49456@4ax.com>. ..
>> On 14 Jul 2004 22:14:07 -0700, mmdir2002@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote:
<,snip>>
>> Unless you want to watch the pulleys turn, you don't actually have to lift
>> the hood. As previously noted, you get at the crank pulley bolt from the
>> left front wheel well.
>>
>
>
> Is left front tire must be dismounted to access the crank pulley bolt?
> I know I ask stupid question. Be patient with me.

Are you sure you're not just having fun here?:-) You don't have to mess
with the wheel but you'll get easier access if you just turn the steering
to near full left.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??