Honda Car Forum

On 7/9/04 8:46 AM, in article oM-dndDiNItSPHPdRVn-jg@comcast.com, "jim beam"
<nospam@example.net> wrote:

> Grumpy au Contraire wrote:
>>
>> "E. Meyer" wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/8/04 1:32 AM, in article 40ECEB1C.2FE328BE@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au
>>> Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> motsco_ _ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> varkiliy_jar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>> Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the
>>>>>> same amount.
>>>>>> ATF capacity is about 7.2 qt.
>>>>>> The drain plug is at the bottom - and still only 3 qt. What kind of
>>>>>> magic I have to do to flush.
>>>>>> I have oil suction pump, but never used it and no clue from which
>>>>>> side I can get all 7.2 qt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All kind of responses will be appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> vj
>>>>>
>>>>> ================
>>>>>
>>>>> Change it again next Saturday, and the Saturday after that too. Make
>>>>> sure it's warmed up when you remove the fill plug, then the drain plug.
>>>>> Then you're done. Don't use ANYTHING but Honda Z1 ATF.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Curly'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm of the school that changing tranny oil without cleaning/replacing
>>>> the screen/filter is akin to putting onn the same dirty socks after a
>>>> bath. IOW, the pan should be pulled...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Honda automatics generally do not have a removable bottom pan and there is
>>> no accessible screen/filter to clean or replace.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I will not profess real knowledge of Honda auto trannies but could this
>> lack contribute to the relatively high rate of Honda tranny failures?
>
> "high rate" of failure??? my friends have over 360k on an 88 accord
> automatic. original transmission. i had a civic with 180k before i
> sold it. i wouldn't call those unreliable transmissions.
>

Before the failures started showing up on the '02 Acura TL-S and the newer
Odysseys, I think Honda automatics were pretty much bullet-proof. They seem
to have problems beefing them up to handle the bigger V6 engines.

"Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
news:5ddcea74.0407081912.5d25af7e@posting.google.c om...
[snizzle]
> honda has had a service bulletin out for years that states that trns
> flushers are bad for them. a honda automatic is unique in design,
> there are no bands or planetary gears, it's all wet clutch packs.
> i've seen them fail due to flushers, hope you have better luck.
> Chip


Oh man. Well that's just great. I just got my mother's 2000 Accord SE tranny
fluid flushed last week, at ~70k.The fluid was real dark, nearly black.

On 8 Jul 2004 20:12:34 -0700, chip@chipanddebby.com (Chip Stein)
wrote:

>> I found a shop that used a machine called TransTech or T-Tech (?) that
>> flushes your ATF. I have a '03 Pilot and looks as though it uses
>> about the same amount of ATF as yours.
>>
>> I took about 12 qt with me to the shop (Honda's OEM ATF). The
>> technician filled the machine up with the new ATF and the machine then
>> was hooked up to the cooler line connections and sucked out the old
>> and dirty ATF and in went the new ATF.
>
> honda has had a service bulletin out for years that states that trns
>flushers are bad for them. a honda automatic is unique in design,
>there are no bands or planetary gears, it's all wet clutch packs.
>i've seen them fail due to flushers, hope you have better luck.
> Chip

No shit? damn!!!! I never read or even heard something like that
before. But what I don't get is, why would it fail when the fluid was
simply replaced? There were no cleaning solvents used either.

The only thing the flushers do is "vacuum" out the old fluid and the
new and clean fluid goes in, meaning at no point is the transmission
every operated without any fluid present.

Any idea as to what it was about the flushers that Honda deeded was
bad for their cars? thanks.

Steve Lee wrote:
> On 8 Jul 2004 20:12:34 -0700, chip@chipanddebby.com (Chip Stein)
> wrote:
>
>
>>>I found a shop that used a machine called TransTech or T-Tech (?) that
>>>flushes your ATF. I have a '03 Pilot and looks as though it uses
>>>about the same amount of ATF as yours.
>>>
>>>I took about 12 qt with me to the shop (Honda's OEM ATF). The
>>>technician filled the machine up with the new ATF and the machine then
>>>was hooked up to the cooler line connections and sucked out the old
>>>and dirty ATF and in went the new ATF.
>>
>> honda has had a service bulletin out for years that states that trns
>>flushers are bad for them. a honda automatic is unique in design,
>>there are no bands or planetary gears, it's all wet clutch packs.
>>i've seen them fail due to flushers, hope you have better luck.
>> Chip
>
>
> No shit? damn!!!! I never read or even heard something like that
> before. But what I don't get is, why would it fail when the fluid was
> simply replaced? There were no cleaning solvents used either.
>
> The only thing the flushers do is "vacuum" out the old fluid and the
> new and clean fluid goes in, meaning at no point is the transmission
> every operated without any fluid present.
>
> Any idea as to what it was about the flushers that Honda deeded was
> bad for their cars? thanks.

i'm guessing, but i'd say it's because they use a large quantity of
fluid - so i doubt most operators flush & clean them very thoroughly
between changes because it would get expensive. i'd therefore imagine
the oil going into the transmission was not "pure" honda atf.

>
> No shit? damn!!!! I never read or even heard something like that
> before. But what I don't get is, why would it fail when the fluid was
> simply replaced? There were no cleaning solvents used either.
>
> The only thing the flushers do is "vacuum" out the old fluid and the
> new and clean fluid goes in, meaning at no point is the transmission
> every operated without any fluid present.
>
> Any idea as to what it was about the flushers that Honda deeded was
> bad for their cars? thanks.

if it's only a fluid exchange you're fine. most flushers use an
additive that degrades the clutch packs. that's a problem. they may
use just fluid but was there residual solvent from the last job??
Chip

On 9 Jul 2004 16:09:00 -0700, chip@chipanddebby.com (Chip Stein)
wrote:


>> No shit? damn!!!! I never read or even heard something like that
>> before. But what I don't get is, why would it fail when the fluid was
>> simply replaced? There were no cleaning solvents used either.
>>
>> The only thing the flushers do is "vacuum" out the old fluid and the
>> new and clean fluid goes in, meaning at no point is the transmission
>> every operated without any fluid present.
>>
>> Any idea as to what it was about the flushers that Honda deeded was
>> bad for their cars? thanks.
>
> if it's only a fluid exchange you're fine. most flushers use an
>additive that degrades the clutch packs. that's a problem. they may
>use just fluid but was there residual solvent from the last job??
> Chip

No, there was no last job since this is the first time I used a
TransTech on my car to do a tranny flush. And like I said above, I
made sure they didn't use any cleaning solvents or additives.

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:56:34 -0700, jim beam <nospam@example.net>
wrote:

>Steve Lee wrote:
>> On 8 Jul 2004 20:12:34 -0700, chip@chipanddebby.com (Chip Stein)
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I found a shop that used a machine called TransTech or T-Tech (?) that
>>>>flushes your ATF. I have a '03 Pilot and looks as though it uses
>>>>about the same amount of ATF as yours.
>>>>
>>>>I took about 12 qt with me to the shop (Honda's OEM ATF). The
>>>>technician filled the machine up with the new ATF and the machine then
>>>>was hooked up to the cooler line connections and sucked out the old
>>>>and dirty ATF and in went the new ATF.
>>>
>>> honda has had a service bulletin out for years that states that trns
>>>flushers are bad for them. a honda automatic is unique in design,
>>>there are no bands or planetary gears, it's all wet clutch packs.
>>>i've seen them fail due to flushers, hope you have better luck.
>>> Chip
>>
>>
>> No shit? damn!!!! I never read or even heard something like that
>> before. But what I don't get is, why would it fail when the fluid was
>> simply replaced? There were no cleaning solvents used either.
>>
>> The only thing the flushers do is "vacuum" out the old fluid and the
>> new and clean fluid goes in, meaning at no point is the transmission
>> every operated without any fluid present.
>>
>> Any idea as to what it was about the flushers that Honda deeded was
>> bad for their cars? thanks.
>
>i'm guessing, but i'd say it's because they use a large quantity of
>fluid - so i doubt most operators flush & clean them very thoroughly
>between changes because it would get expensive. i'd therefore imagine
>the oil going into the transmission was not "pure" honda atf.

I brought Honda's OEM ATF with me to the tranny flushing place and saw
them pour the stuff into their TransTech machine though. Brought
15L/15.85qt with me and gave me back one 1L bottle of it.