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What's wrong with Honda quality.

DTT wrote:

> What's wrong with Honda quality.

sadly, its slipping. so is their styling and engineering...losing the
double wishbone was a lousy idea.

nissans altima is a nice looking car, but their quality sucks. toyota
seems to be doing well. cant swing a cat in so cal without hitting a 4
door tacoma crewcab.

Perhaps, but I challenge you to compare the number of recalls of an ANY
American vehicle to the one or two Honda has on any one of theirs. It will
probably be 10 to 1 American car recalls to Honda recalls.

CaptainKrunch

"DTT" <dtmstran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What's wrong with Honda quality.

One thing I have noticed about Honda: In most cases when they do have a
recall,they do not fight it.They just issue the appropriate notices and
quietly take care of the problem.....unlike American branded car
manufacturers who go to great lengths to assign blame and deflect any
responsibility for any problem that occurs until the government
intervenes or forces a recall.In some cases they even deny a problem is
happening even when confronted by case histories.

SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>
>
> DTT wrote:
>
>> What's wrong with Honda quality.
>
> sadly, its slipping. so is their styling and engineering...losing the
> double wishbone was a lousy idea.
>
> nissans altima is a nice looking car, but their quality sucks. toyota
> seems to be doing well. cant swing a cat in so cal without hitting a 4
> door tacoma crewcab.

many nissans share renault parts and platforms
older nissans are fine cars, since the renault take-over its crap too

marcel

marcel wrote:

> many nissans share renault parts and platforms
> older nissans are fine cars, since the renault take-over its crap too

Is this true? That's really sad then. A friend of mine put over 200,000
miles on a '90 Nissan NX with very few problems. It was still running great
when she sold it a few years ago.

But I suppose it was to be expected. It seems when a high quality company
and a low quality company merge, usually the low quality replaces the high
quality. Another case in point, DaimlerChrysler. Instead of higher quality
Chryslers, the result is lower quality Mercedes-Benz's. That is why I am
skeptical of the newer Mazdas, since they are using more Ford parts. Hell,
their trucks have been rebadged Fords since the mid-90s.

Apart from the V6 auto tranny issues and the strut issue on recent Civics,
Honda's mechanical quality remains near the top, along with Toyota.

On 13 Jun 2004 01:46:15 GMT, Imminent Vengeance <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>marcel wrote:
>
>> many nissans share renault parts and platforms
>> older nissans are fine cars, since the renault take-over its crap too
>
>Is this true? That's really sad then. A friend of mine put over 200,000
>miles on a '90 Nissan NX with very few problems. It was still running great
>when she sold it a few years ago.

I look to Consumer Reports for reliability information. They show no
discernable change in Nissan Reliability, at least not yet. (Keep in
mind that it takes a couple years at least before there is meaningful
data.) Early results on the two newest models - Murano and 350Z look
promising. Quest and Altima. Nissan has some good models (Maxima)
and some mediocre ones (New Altima, Quest).

>But I suppose it was to be expected. It seems when a high quality company
>and a low quality company merge, usually the low quality replaces the high
>quality. Another case in point, DaimlerChrysler. Instead of higher quality
>Chryslers, the result is lower quality Mercedes-Benz's.

I think you may have a chicken and egg situation here. The very idea
of buying Chrysler indicates a radical shift in thinking on Daimler's
part.


>Apart from the V6 auto tranny issues and the strut issue on recent Civics,
>Honda's mechanical quality remains near the top, along with Toyota.

CR confirms this. On comparable models, it is pretty much a toss-up
between Toyota and Honda on reliability. Toyota is clearly better on
exhaust and a little better on electrical, but Honda seems to do
better on engines and suspensions. Even these differences don't show
up until 4-5 years of use.

There is also no evidence that newer Hondas are less reliable than
they used to be or than newer Toyotas are now. I have been hearing
about new (or made in USA) Hondas not being as good as the
old/Japanese made ones since at least 1997. I have owned Hondas from
model years '74, '80, '86, '94 and '98 and in my experience they just
keep getting more reliable. (Can't really say about the '98 - still
too new - but so far so good.)

A final thought. A defective Honda Odyssey transmission is only half
as likely to break as a Dodge Caravan transmission.

SAC 441 wrote:

> One thing I have noticed about Honda: In most cases when they do have a
> recall,they do not fight it.They just issue the appropriate notices and
> quietly take care of the problem.....unlike American branded car
> manufacturers who go to great lengths to assign blame and deflect any
> responsibility for any problem that occurs until the government
> intervenes or forces a recall.In some cases they even deny a problem is
> happening even when confronted by case histories.

american car recalls are usually the result of HUGE blunders. we arent
talking about honda seat belt latches, or ignition switches that may be
flaky.

ford has ignition switches that start fires, and remember the pinto? the
blame game between ford and firestone over explorers that flip over?

id rather have a company that replaces seat belt latches or ignition
switches that *might* eventually wear out sooner than normal, than a
truck that might flip over because of tires, or catch on fire because of
an ignition switch.

> many nissans share renault parts and platforms

such as? just curious. anything in the altimaxima shared with renault?


> older nissans are fine cars, since the renault take-over its crap too

i dont understand this:

the altima and maxima share a drivetrain and platform... so why bother
buying the maxima?

maybe i should ask over at rec.autos.makers.nissan

Imminent Vengeance wrote:

> marcel wrote:
>
>
>>many nissans share renault parts and platforms
>>older nissans are fine cars, since the renault take-over its crap too
>
>
> Is this true? That's really sad then. A friend of mine put over 200,000
> miles on a '90 Nissan NX with very few problems. It was still running great
> when she sold it a few years ago.

those were the funky lil ovoid ones, right? man- bet its a bear finding
body parts/trim for that.

reminds me of the lil mazda about the same size with the tiny V6... mx3,
maybe? now THAT was an answer to a question noone asked! gotta give em
credit for trying... do they use that lil v6 for anything else these
days, or was it retired?