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Passat Tdi (automatic only) is only 10-15% more efficent on fuel than an
Accord autom. If there is a point, it still has to be seen.



"lcopps" <LC@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Volkswagen started selling a Passatt TDI this year. Diesels have come a
> long way. Honda usually tests the water at home in Japan and in more
> market friendly places where a Turbo deisels are established. Expect it
> in the US market in the next couple of years if the Passatt TDI sells
well.
>
> Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > Is Honda going to import their awesome new Accord turbo diesel
> > sedan into the USA ? It got 52 mpg on the UK emissions test !
> > And, 0 to 60 mph of 9.4 secs.
> >
> > http://www.carkeys.co.uk/launches/honda/2502.asp
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> >
>

Instead Honda will be selling a hybrid Accord with a special 6 cyl
engine.....no diesel though.


"Lynn McGuire" <NOSPAM.winsim@NOSPAM.winsim.com> wrote in message
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> Is Honda going to import their awesome new Accord turbo diesel
> sedan into the USA ? It got 52 mpg on the UK emissions test !
> And, 0 to 60 mph of 9.4 secs.
>
> http://www.carkeys.co.uk/launches/honda/2502.asp
>
> Lynn
>
>

> Instead Honda will be selling a hybrid Accord with a special 6 cyl
> engine.....no diesel though.

Hmmm. Everything I see lately says that the milage on the Hybrids is
not much better than that of the regular cars. And, if you are running
the A/C, the gas motor never shuts down (here in Housto, Texas,
we run the A/C for 8 to 10 months a year).

Lynn

On 11 May 2004 22:22:25 GMT, drpimpdaddi@aol.comprende (He Hate
Retards and Morons) wrote:

>You'll never see it in the US.
>
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>How to turn off 'Maintenance Required" light:
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>1. Hold trip/reset button on dash
>2. Turn key to "ON" or start engine
>3. Hold button til light goes out
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Liar
Thief

Lost another job pervert?

He Hate Retards and Morons wrote:
>>> That model is sold as Acura TL (I think) in the USA.
>>
>> Wrong. TSX.
>>

You're right, it is the TSX. Get confused too easily when the TSX and TL
look so similar, especially the front-end.
Thanks

Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> Instead Honda will be selling a hybrid Accord with a special 6 cyl
>>> engine.....no diesel though.
>>
>> Hmmm. Everything I see lately says that the milage on the Hybrids is
>> not much better than that of the regular cars. And, if you are
>> running the A/C, the gas motor never shuts down (here in Housto,
>> Texas,
>> we run the A/C for 8 to 10 months a year).
>>
>> Lynn

Here in Tampa, Florida i use A/C zero months a year!
How do I manage that? Well, if you lived in Africa for 20 years, then you'd
adjust easily ;-)

Lynn McGuire <NOSPAM.winsim@nospam.winsim.com> wrote:

> Hmmm. Everything I see lately says that the milage on the Hybrids is
> not much better than that of the regular cars. And, if you are running
> the A/C, the gas motor never shuts down (here in Housto, Texas,
> we run the A/C for 8 to 10 months a year).

The A/C seems to knock 2-2.5mpg off the mileage of my 2003 Civic Hybrid CVT.
Doesn't it also affect any other car? I had heard 5% once. That 5% gets
to be a real number on a high mileage car, unnoticeable on a 10mpg car.

The defroster turning on the A/C in the morning was hitting my mileage if I
forgot to turn off the A/C separately after switching the defroster off.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5

In article <40a38fac$0$17090$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>, "Lynn McGuire" <NOSPAM.winsim@NOSPAM.winsim.com> wrote:

>Hmmm. Everything I see lately says that the milage on the Hybrids is
>not much better than that of the regular cars. And, if you are running
>the A/C, the gas motor never shuts down (here in Housto, Texas,
>we run the A/C for 8 to 10 months a year).

Go to priuschat.com and you'll see a lot of testimonials. Seems
like the majority there get 45-50, with quite a few higher.

As to the Honda diesel, remember two things:
The 52 mpg quoted is *imperial* gallons which are 1.2x US gallons.
So, that's 43 mp(US)g.

Diesel is about 12-13% denser than gasoline. So if you want it
for its environmental/ghg benefit, then derate by that, ie about
38 mi/gallon gas-equivalent (yes, that terminology is used in the
business). Still excellent, but not quite the 52 first quoted.

In article <c80mfe$aal$4@blue.rahul.net>, dold@hondaXacco.usenet.us.com wrote:

>The A/C seems to knock 2-2.5mpg off the mileage of my 2003 Civic Hybrid CVT.
>Doesn't it also affect any other car? I had heard 5% once. That 5% gets
>to be a real number on a high mileage car, unnoticeable on a 10mpg car.

Yup, an auto a/c is about 3 kW or so. So if you have a big truck
that consumes 30 kW going down the road, that's a ~10% hit (when
on, but it cycles so the effect might not be that high). Now if
you have an Insight that only takes 10 kW, it is a *30%* hit. In
reality, I'd bet the Insight has a much smaller a/c. The numbers
above are just for demonstrative purposes, not actual effects.

Also, I think the Prius system is now designed such that a/c
engagement doesn't require the IC engine to cycle on. But I
suspect the Hondas' hybrid systems might be too small for this.

In article <40a38fac$0$17090$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>,
"Lynn McGuire" <NOSPAM.winsim@NOSPAM.winsim.com> wrote:

> Hmmm. Everything I see lately says that the milage on the Hybrids is
> not much better than that of the regular cars.

On the highway, no. And why would it be? The benefits of the battery
system are in the city driving.