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Since R12 is hard to find and expensive. Is converting my 91 Civic to R134a
a good idea?
And if so what all do you have to do to convert it. Any comments would
help!!! Thanks in advance for your comments.

News wrote:
>> Since R12 is hard to find and expensive. Is converting my 91 Civic
>> to R134a a good idea?
>> And if so what all do you have to do to convert it. Any comments
>> would help!!! Thanks in advance for your comments.

Thanks for bringing this up. I've been thinking of this too for my 92 Accord
as i got my tax refund. I'd like to hear comments suggestions.

"News" <parts@saturnspacecoast.com> a écrit dans le message de
news1tkc.504826$B81.8944392@twister.tampabay.rr. com...
> Since R12 is hard to find and expensive. Is converting my 91 Civic to
R134a
> a good idea?
> And if so what all do you have to do to convert it. Any comments would
> help!!! Thanks in advance for your comments.
>

Hi

We had the same probleme in Europ
In fact after some years with a lake of solution - Only to
retrofit on R 134a... expensive.. very -
Rhone Poulenc Rhodia has manufactured a new gas called Isceon 49 it is a
R 413 A
http://www.isceon-refrigerants.co.uk...9/aircon49.pdf
You can permute from R 12 to R 413 WITHOUT any other change...

Just need to empty the R 12 & fill with R 413..
Ask your dealer.

Philippe

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:32:48 +0200, Philippe MÉRY
<mery-ph@-discret-ifrance.com> wrote:

>
>
>"News" <parts@saturnspacecoast.com> a écrit dans le message de
>news1tkc.504826$B81.8944392@twister.tampabay.rr .com...
>> Since R12 is hard to find and expensive. Is converting my 91 Civic to
>R134a
>> a good idea?

Yes. Fix whatever is leaking first though.

>> And if so what all do you have to do to convert it. Any comments would
>> help!!! Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>
>
>Hi
>
>We had the same probleme in Europ
> In fact after some years with a lake of solution - Only to
>retrofit on R 134a... expensive.. very -
>Rhone Poulenc Rhodia has manufactured a new gas called Isceon 49 it is a
>R 413 A
>http://www.isceon-refrigerants.co.uk...9/aircon49.pdf
>You can permute from R 12 to R 413 WITHOUT any other change...
>
>Just need to empty the R 12 & fill with R 413..
>Ask your dealer.

I'm going to disagree.. I think your better off doing a pretty simple
retrofit kit w/ a new receiver dryer. All A/C places have machines
for recovering R-12 and R-134. I'm almost sure nobody has a R-413
designated recovery machine. They probably do have a unit set aside
for unusual/unauthorized refrigerants and probably charge a
substantial hazaradous waste disposal fee for it. So if your R-413
retrofit system ever has a problem -- it may be pain to get it
evacuated.

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:04:19 GMT, "News" <parts@saturnspacecoast.com>
wrote:

>Since R12 is hard to find and expensive. Is converting my 91 Civic to R134a
>a good idea?
>And if so what all do you have to do to convert it. Any comments would
>help!!! Thanks in advance for your comments.

This has been discussed umpteen times here - search at Google/Usenet for
previous content. Short answer is it depends on how long you want it to
last - the quick DIY kits work but have risks of "black death" (see
www.aircondition.com forum for more on that) after 2/3 years. Some people
have had success and others only problems. The proper way is expensive and
involves a flush/dry of the entire system with solvent.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:32:48 +0200, Philippe MÉRY
<mery-ph@-discret-ifrance.com> wrote:

>
>
>"News" <parts@saturnspacecoast.com> a écrit dans le message de
>news1tkc.504826$B81.8944392@twister.tampabay.rr .com...
>> Since R12 is hard to find and expensive. Is converting my 91 Civic to
>R134a
>> a good idea?
>> And if so what all do you have to do to convert it. Any comments would
>> help!!! Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>
>
>Hi
>
>We had the same probleme in Europ
> In fact after some years with a lake of solution - Only to
>retrofit on R 134a... expensive.. very -
>Rhone Poulenc Rhodia has manufactured a new gas called Isceon 49 it is a
>R 413 A
>http://www.isceon-refrigerants.co.uk...9/aircon49.pdf
>You can permute from R 12 to R 413 WITHOUT any other change...
>
>Just need to empty the R 12 & fill with R 413..
>Ask your dealer.

As I've already pointed out, A/C specialist shops do not want to deal with
zeotropic mixtures. In the U.S. the R406 and other such things are
strictly a DIY proposition and still require a license to buy the
refrigerant.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

News wrote:

> Since R12 is hard to find and expensive. Is converting my 91 Civic to R134a
> a good idea?

Only if your system is inoperative, and the refrigerant charge is lost.



>
> And if so what all do you have to do to convert it.

Install R12 to R134A conversion fittings, PAG oil, warning stickers,
and a correct charge of R134A refrigerant.

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:04:19 GMT, "News" <parts@saturnspacecoast.com> wrote:

||Since R12 is hard to find and expensive. Is converting my 91 Civic to R134a
||a good idea?
||And if so what all do you have to do to convert it. Any comments would
||help!!! Thanks in advance for your comments.

If you can get R12, keep it that way. R12 is much more efficient. Your car was
designed for it, not the less efficient R134a. Buy some from an individual and
learn to service it yourself. Even if you have to buy some tools, you will be
money ahead and much cooler.
Rex in Fort Worth