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Don't know if this will work...but I don't want too pay 1.42 a litre!!!!
Worth a try!!

I hear we are going to hit close to a $1.42 a Litre by the summer.Want
gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united
action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE
SENSE than the don't buy gas on a certain day campaign that was going around
last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew
we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy gas.It was more of
an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought
of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it
and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $.80 a litre is
super cheap. Me too! It is currently .78 to .89 depending on what day it
is,for regular unleaded gas in Montreal, Qc. We all know that we're being
screwed by the oil companies. Does everyone remember how they drove up the
prices way past a dollar and got the gas prices to where they wanted them,
claiming there was a shortage of oil. Well, there isn't any shortage now,
and the oil is more abundant than it was 35 years ago when the price of a
litre of gas was 29 cents!!! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations
have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre of gas is CHEAP at
$0.78-$0.85, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS
control the marketplace....not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up
more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going
to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by
not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How?
Since we all rely on our cars, we cant just stop buying gas. But we CAN have
an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.Heres
the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the
two biggest companies (which now are one), PETRO CANADA, SHELL. If they are
not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they
reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to
have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of PETRO CANADA and
SHELL buyers. Its really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this
point...keep reading and Ill explain how simple it is to reach millions of
people!!

I am sending this note to at least thirty people. If each of you send it to
at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the
sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten
friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes
one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all (If you
don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send
this to 10 people... Well, lets face it, you just aren't a Mathematician.
But I am. so trust me on this one.) How long would all that take? If each of
us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all
300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
Ill bet you I didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please
pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $0.64 OR LESS
RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK!!!!!!!
PLEASE take a few minutes and pass this on to everyone you know!! If
you can't e-mail it to at least ten people, please print out a bunch of
copies
and hand it out to your family and friends!!



__________________________________________________ _______________
FOR INFORMATION REGARDING OUR CONTESTS PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT
http://www.cemc.uwaterloo.ca



Joanne Kursikowski
Dept. Secretary
Centre for Education in Mathematics and Computing
Faculty of Mathematics
University of Waterloo
Waterloo ON CANADA N2L 3G1
519-888-4808
FAX NO. 519-746-6592
cmc@math.uwaterloo.ca

Lower_gas_prices wrote:

> Don't know if this will work...but I don't want too pay 1.42 a litre!!!!
> Worth a try!!

No it isn't. Fuel prices are rising everywhere, because OPEC has raised
the price of crude, not because Shell or Petro Canada feel like screwing
you.

> By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $.80 a litre is
> super cheap. Me too! It is currently .78 to .89 depending on what day it
> is,for regular unleaded gas in Montreal, Qc. We all know that we're being
> screwed by the oil companies.

You're being screwed more by your own government. Most of that 85-ish
cents per litre is tax. Here in New York we pay about $1.80 US per
gallon, or 47 cents (US, = 63 cents Canadian) per litre, and even that
already contains quite a bit of tax.

> Well, there isn't any shortage now,
> and the oil is more abundant than it was 35 years ago when the price of a
> litre of gas was 29 cents!!!

Uh, huh. And how much inflation has there been in the last 35 years? A
lot more than 85 divided by 29. Adjusted for inflation, gas is much,
*much* cheaper now than it was 35 years ago.

> I am sending this note to at least thirty people. If each of you send it to
> at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
> more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the
> sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
> consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten
> friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes
> one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

That's pretty amazing, since there are nowhere near 300 million people
in Canada.

> PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $0.64 OR LESS
> RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK!!!!!!!

No it can't. Don't be a moron.

> PLEASE take a few minutes

Speaking of which, there goes a few minutes I'll never get back...

--
Mike Smith

Mike Smith wrote:

> Lower_gas_prices wrote:
>
>> Don't know if this will work...but I don't want too pay 1.42 a litre!!!!
>> Worth a try!!
>
> No it isn't. Fuel prices are rising everywhere, because OPEC has raised
> the price of crude, not because Shell or Petro Canada feel like screwing
> you.

Independent variables - both may be true.

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:49:16 GMT, Gus <GusPod@optOFFline.XXXX.net>
wrote:

>Mike Smith wrote:
>
>> Lower_gas_prices wrote:
>>
>>> Don't know if this will work...but I don't want too pay 1.42 a litre!!!!
>>> Worth a try!!
>>
>> No it isn't. Fuel prices are rising everywhere, because OPEC has raised
>> the price of crude, not because Shell or Petro Canada feel like screwing
>> you.
>
>Independent variables - both may be true.

Worldwide prices have gone up, so that one IS true. As far as screwing
the customer is concerned, you know that every merchant will try to
get the best buck for their products. Furthermore, if the merchant
doesn't apply his mind to that goal all the time, he will most likely
go out of business pretty soon. But competition is so fierce in the
oil business, that margins are kept very low despite the desire to
maximize profits.

Don't believe it? Buy some oil company stock then. As a part-owner,
you will learn how big their profits are each year, and you will
participate in this profit making.

J.

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:02:23 -0400, "Lower_gas_prices" <mofo@nospam.net>
wrote:

>Don't know if this will work...but I don't want too pay 1.42 a litre!!!!
>Worth a try!!

No it won't.... work! Have you never heard of bartering? Petroleum
companies do it all the time.

>By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $.80 a litre is
>super cheap. Me too! It is currently .78 to .89 depending on what day it
>is,for regular unleaded gas in Montreal, Qc. We all know that we're being
>screwed by the oil companies. Does everyone remember how they drove up the
>prices way past a dollar and got the gas prices to where they wanted them,
>claiming there was a shortage of oil. Well, there isn't any shortage now,
>and the oil is more abundant than it was 35 years ago when the price of a
>litre of gas was 29 cents!!! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations
>have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre of gas is CHEAP at
>$0.78-$0.85, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS
>control the marketplace....not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up
>more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going
>to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by
>not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How?
>Since we all rely on our cars, we cant just stop buying gas. But we CAN have
>an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.Heres
>the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the
>two biggest companies (which now are one), PETRO CANADA, SHELL. If they are
>not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they
>reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to
>have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of PETRO CANADA and
>SHELL buyers. Its really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this
>point...keep reading and Ill explain how simple it is to reach millions of
>people!!

Here in NJ we are currently paying ~$1.75/gal. for regular gas. The spot
price of benchmark crudes has been hovering close to US$40./barrel; there
are 42 USgals/barrel; it costs $$ to refine crude into gasoline and
transport it to the consumer point. You figure it out.

You know all those jobs which are migrating through outsourcing to
India?... all the electronics manufacturing jobs being shuttled to China?
What do you think the Indian, Chinese, et.al. workers are going to do with
the money they earn? Do you know what the most coveted item is on any
world citizen's wish list following food, clothing & shelter? Uhh, it's
gonna get worse.

If you have a problem with your govt.'s fuel taxes take it up with them.
Specifically, you might suggest that you resent paying a tax which the
govt. then turns around and uses to finance operations and propaganda
against you as a motorist.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Lower_gas_prices wrote:

> Don't know if this will work...but I don't want too pay 1.42 a litre!!!!
> Worth a try!!

1.42 per litre. That sounds like good news. Perhaps now we'll see less SUV's on
the road.

Pars

>
>
> I hear we are going to hit close to a $1.42 a Litre by the summer.Want
> gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united
> action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE
> SENSE than the don't buy gas on a certain day campaign that was going around
> last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew
> we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy gas.It was more of
> an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought
> of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it
> and join with us!
>
> By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $.80 a litre is
> super cheap. Me too! It is currently .78 to .89 depending on what day it
> is,for regular unleaded gas in Montreal, Qc. We all know that we're being
> screwed by the oil companies. Does everyone remember how they drove up the
> prices way past a dollar and got the gas prices to where they wanted them,
> claiming there was a shortage of oil. Well, there isn't any shortage now,
> and the oil is more abundant than it was 35 years ago when the price of a
> litre of gas was 29 cents!!! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations
> have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre of gas is CHEAP at
> $0.78-$0.85, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS
> control the marketplace....not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up
> more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going
> to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by
> not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How?
> Since we all rely on our cars, we cant just stop buying gas. But we CAN have
> an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.Heres
> the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the
> two biggest companies (which now are one), PETRO CANADA, SHELL. If they are
> not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they
> reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to
> have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of PETRO CANADA and
> SHELL buyers. Its really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this
> point...keep reading and Ill explain how simple it is to reach millions of
> people!!
>
> I am sending this note to at least thirty people. If each of you send it to
> at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
> more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the
> sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
> consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten
> friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes
> one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
> Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all (If you
> don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send
> this to 10 people... Well, lets face it, you just aren't a Mathematician.
> But I am. so trust me on this one.) How long would all that take? If each of
> us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all
> 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
> Ill bet you I didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
> Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please
> pass this message on.
>
> PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $0.64 OR LESS
> RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK!!!!!!!
> PLEASE take a few minutes and pass this on to everyone you know!! If
> you can't e-mail it to at least ten people, please print out a bunch of
> copies
> and hand it out to your family and friends!!
>
> __________________________________________________ _______________
> FOR INFORMATION REGARDING OUR CONTESTS PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT
> http://www.cemc.uwaterloo.ca
>
> Joanne Kursikowski
> Dept. Secretary
> Centre for Education in Mathematics and Computing
> Faculty of Mathematics
> University of Waterloo
> Waterloo ON CANADA N2L 3G1
> 519-888-4808
> FAX NO. 519-746-6592
> cmc@math.uwaterloo.ca

Jen wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:49:16 GMT, Gus <GusPod@optOFFline.XXXX.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Mike Smith wrote:
>>
>>>Lower_gas_prices wrote:
>>>
>>>>Don't know if this will work...but I don't want too pay 1.42 a litre!!!!
>>>>Worth a try!!
>>>
>>>No it isn't. Fuel prices are rising everywhere, because OPEC has raised
>>>the price of crude, not because Shell or Petro Canada feel like screwing
>>>you.
>>
>>Independent variables - both may be true.
>
> Worldwide prices have gone up, so that one IS true. As far as screwing
> the customer is concerned, you know that every merchant will try to
> get the best buck for their products. Furthermore, if the merchant
> doesn't apply his mind to that goal all the time, he will most likely
> go out of business pretty soon. But competition is so fierce in the
> oil business, that margins are kept very low despite the desire to
> maximize profits.
>
> Don't believe it? Buy some oil company stock then. As a part-owner,
> you will learn how big their profits are each year, and you will
> participate in this profit making.

I'd rather see a link or two to support your claim that "competition is
so fierce in the oil business, that margins are kept very low despite
the desire to maximize profits".

.... This "bitching" guy obviously drives an SUV.

Funny how Americans are so economically independent apart from one of there
own self inflicted nemesis - self divulgence in oil consumption... that will
be their downfall.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:53:20 -0400, "darren" <darrenr@cae.com> wrote:

||... This "bitching" guy obviously drives an SUV.
||
||Funny how Americans are so economically independent apart from one of there
||own self inflicted nemesis - self divulgence in oil consumption... that will
||be their downfall.

Every country has people who consume excessively, without regard for resources,
because they can afford to. Americans are no different, except that our society
makes it possible for more people to make those kinds of choices.
Rex in Fort Worth

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:43:40 GMT, Gus <GusPod@optOFFline.XXXX.net> wrote:

>Jen wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:49:16 GMT, Gus <GusPod@optOFFline.XXXX.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Worldwide prices have gone up, so that one IS true. As far as screwing
>> the customer is concerned, you know that every merchant will try to
>> get the best buck for their products. Furthermore, if the merchant
>> doesn't apply his mind to that goal all the time, he will most likely
>> go out of business pretty soon. But competition is so fierce in the
>> oil business, that margins are kept very low despite the desire to
>> maximize profits.
>>
>> Don't believe it? Buy some oil company stock then. As a part-owner,
>> you will learn how big their profits are each year, and you will
>> participate in this profit making.
>
>I'd rather see a link or two to support your claim that "competition is
>so fierce in the oil business, that margins are kept very low despite
>the desire to maximize profits".

There's no need for "links" - just look around and use Google if need be.
Check the price of crude oil then price of gasoline and other downstream
petroleum products. Where else can you find a complex, finished product
with such a low ratio of consumer price to raw material cost. Check the
number of independent refiners left - they just could not survive in the
market, particularly under the burden of govt. mandated recipes for their
products. The capital required just wasn't there.

Also check out the futures market on gasoline and other petroleum products
-- a lot of your money ends up in the pockets of speculators -- to get an
idea where we are and where we're heading. We've just had a relatively
hard Winter in the N.E. USA so, following the usual patterns, there should
be a minor excess of gasoline "stock" right now. As that stock runs down
under the usual Summer consumption pattern, the prices will only go up. If
any of the Arab producers take it into their head to retaliate, even in a
minor way, for Dubya suddenly donating the West Bank to Israel... remember
1973??

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??