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"For years, Honda kept a hands-off attitude to the Civic customizing craze,
generally avoiding a direct marketing appeal to young enthusiasts, a group
sometimes referred to in the industry as "the fast and furious," after a
movie with that title that celebrated the import-car street-racing culture.
In 2001, Honda redesigned the Civic and made it more family-friendly and
sedate, which in turn left the tuners feeling slighted."

"Last summer, at an import-racing event in Irwindale, Calif., the crowd
booed when the announcer mentioned Honda."


Well, I guess I never had a problem with legitimate Civic tuners (although
I've never understood it) but it seems you're all moving on. But can you
take the ricers with you please?

Ricers, Honda doesn't want you! Honda doesn't support you! Your ill-fitting
body parts, outrageous spoilers, and obnoxious exhausts are spoiling their
image of refinement and perfection. Honda ask that you to go f up another
kind of car (I personally recommended the Ford Focus) and leave the poor
Civic alone!

Honda, listen to Car & Driver when they note that the Civic is becoming a
POS and START MAKING IT BETTER...
http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=5

Well, actually they only called it a "loser".

That is all.
--


Mark
'99 Civic Si

I agree with you on some aspects. but don't forget about the people who
don't care about 4 ft. aluminum wings, neon lights, and fiberglass parts.
the people who actually have real Honda engines, not worthless sohc engines.
the people who spend time and money on extracting power from they're dohc
vtec engines. I spend all my money on building power not show cars. I hate
show cars. I believe in keeping Hondas true to they're naturally aspirated
origins. oh yea, the fast and furious is such a stupid ****in movie.
"Mark Gonzales" <enter_my_name@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:c4shtn$6hm$2@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...ivic25-ON.html
>
> "For years, Honda kept a hands-off attitude to the Civic customizing
craze,
> generally avoiding a direct marketing appeal to young enthusiasts, a group
> sometimes referred to in the industry as "the fast and furious," after a
> movie with that title that celebrated the import-car street-racing
culture.
> In 2001, Honda redesigned the Civic and made it more family-friendly and
> sedate, which in turn left the tuners feeling slighted."
>
> "Last summer, at an import-racing event in Irwindale, Calif., the crowd
> booed when the announcer mentioned Honda."
>
>
> Well, I guess I never had a problem with legitimate Civic tuners (although
> I've never understood it) but it seems you're all moving on. But can you
> take the ricers with you please?
>
> Ricers, Honda doesn't want you! Honda doesn't support you! Your
ill-fitting
> body parts, outrageous spoilers, and obnoxious exhausts are spoiling their
> image of refinement and perfection. Honda ask that you to go f up another
> kind of car (I personally recommended the Ford Focus) and leave the poor
> Civic alone!
>
> Honda, listen to Car & Driver when they note that the Civic is becoming a
> POS and START MAKING IT BETTER...
>
http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=5
>
> Well, actually they only called it a "loser".
>
> That is all.
> --
>
>
> Mark
> '99 Civic Si
>
>

"electricked" <no_emails_please> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark Gonzales" <enter_my_name@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:c4shtn$6hm$2@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> > http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...ivic25-ON.html

> Mark, that's the most redicoulous piece of crap I've ever heard.

Uh, the article or my comments? Kinda vague there.


> Sell the Si and get yourself a DX.

Why?


> It's much less powerful, more economical and safer.

Yes, I know. I thoroughly looked over and test drove the DX, EX, and Si
coupe when I was shopping for my car. I also looked at other similarly
priced '99 makes and models. But I think I made the right decision. My Si
has given me perfect servicing for almost 5 years / 70k miles and it's fun.
Still feels as tight as the day I drove it off the lot. No complaints at
all.


> Damn hypocritical ricer boys!

You said it! ;-) To whom I have no idea.
--


Mark
'99 Civic Si

>
> --Viktor
>
>

"Lex" <aacevedo4@elp.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Iamcc.33577$Tx6.25450@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> I agree with you on some aspects. but don't forget about the people who
> don't care about 4 ft. aluminum wings, neon lights, and fiberglass parts.
> the people who actually have real Honda engines, not worthless sohc
engines.
> the people who spend time and money on extracting power from they're dohc
> vtec engines. I spend all my money on building power not show cars. I hate
> show cars. I believe in keeping Hondas true to they're naturally aspirated
> origins. oh yea, the fast and furious is such a stupid ****in movie.

I can appreciate that. I took a ride in a modified Honda for the first time
in my life just last month and it was pretty darn quick.

The story: While at Honda getting my oil changed, I was admiring this '90
CRX Si because it reminded me of my '89 CRX Si. While I never modded my CRX
(purchased new), I had to trade up just 3 years later for a '92 Civic LX
automatic as the speeding tickets had begun to pile up. It worked, LOL!
Anyway, this CRX had my Civic Si 1.6L 160hp engine transplanted but with a
little more hp and that car really moved! Maybe a little loud and stiff, but
it was quick.

I'm just tired of all the rice. When did this crap start anyway? And when
will it ever end?

Anyway, I still appreciated my CRX Si for what it was, as well as my '86
Integra LS 5-speed coupe (bought used). But I always hear the same crap, "If
you're not going to tune your Si then sell it for a lesser model." WTF?
Maybe I like it the way Honda engineered it! It already has plenty of
performance to me (for a sporty econo-car). Why would I want to void my
warranty on a new car? And now that it's no longer new (though it still
looks it), I'd rather it just remain reliable and dependable (besides being
fun).

Eh, that last bit of ranting wasn't aimed at you Lex. ;-) I'm just ranting.
--


Mark
'99 Civic Si


> "Mark Gonzales" <enter_my_name@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:c4shtn$6hm$2@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> > http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...ivic25-ON.html
> >
> > "For years, Honda kept a hands-off attitude to the Civic customizing
> craze,
> > generally avoiding a direct marketing appeal to young enthusiasts, a
group
> > sometimes referred to in the industry as "the fast and furious," after a
> > movie with that title that celebrated the import-car street-racing
> culture.
> > In 2001, Honda redesigned the Civic and made it more family-friendly and
> > sedate, which in turn left the tuners feeling slighted."
> >
> > "Last summer, at an import-racing event in Irwindale, Calif., the crowd
> > booed when the announcer mentioned Honda."
> >
> >
> > Well, I guess I never had a problem with legitimate Civic tuners
(although
> > I've never understood it) but it seems you're all moving on. But can you
> > take the ricers with you please?
> >
> > Ricers, Honda doesn't want you! Honda doesn't support you! Your
> ill-fitting
> > body parts, outrageous spoilers, and obnoxious exhausts are spoiling
their
> > image of refinement and perfection. Honda ask that you to go f up
another
> > kind of car (I personally recommended the Ford Focus) and leave the poor
> > Civic alone!
> >
> > Honda, listen to Car & Driver when they note that the Civic is becoming
a
> > POS and START MAKING IT BETTER...
> >
>
http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=5
> >
> > Well, actually they only called it a "loser".
> >
> > That is all.
> > --
> >
> >
> > Mark
> > '99 Civic Si
> >
> >
>
>

"electricked" <no_emails_please> wrote in message
news:mOmdnavTpqVOg-_dRVn-tA@comcast.com...

> Your comments on the ricer boy family and tuners. Those ARE your comments,
> aren't they?

Sure.

>
> >
> > > Sell the Si and get yourself a DX.
> >
> > Why?
>
> What do you mean why? You just said you don't like ricers and have no idea
> why tuners do what they do. Most Si's are driven by ricers. Is that why
> you're worried so much about your image as being part of the ricer family?
> Jeez, don't get so uptight. It's just a ricer thing...

Uh, no. I just like Honda Civics and I hate what's being done to so many of
them. Apparently Honda does too.

But I've liked Hondas / Civics since the early 80s, way before the rice fad
(at least in my neck of the woods - deep South). Though not technically a
Civic, the 1st gen Integra has always been my favorite. I was stunned the
first time a co-worker drove up in his new Integra (red LS 5-speed coupe). I
had never heard of Acura and didn't know it was a Honda. Unfortunately, I
couldn't afford a new one in '86, though I would have probably bought a
Fiero instead. Well, no Fiero in '89 so I bought a CRX Si. First Honda.
Great car.


> > > It's much less powerful, more economical and safer.
> >
> > Yes, I know. I thoroughly looked over and test drove the DX, EX, and Si
> > coupe when I was shopping for my car. I also looked at other similarly
> > priced '99 makes and models. But I think I made the right decision. My
Si
> > has given me perfect servicing for almost 5 years / 70k miles and it's
> fun.
> > Still feels as tight as the day I drove it off the lot. No complaints at
> > all.
>
> Yeah, the DX looks like crap but Si looks so damn good it's hard to
believe
> the whole ricer family is not driving one.

Hmm. Is that a compliment or sarcasm? In any case, I think it looks pretty
nice in a conservative kind of way...
http://www.cvol.net/wheels/civic_si.htm


> For us non-ricer non-tuners boys
> we go for the DX since it's very iconomical, not powerful--who needs a
fast
> car anyway, right?--and it's safe.

Well, no Civic is really "fast" IMO. I bought the Si because it didn't cost
much more than the EX coupe (I wanted a coupe for more interior space up
front). I really didn't consider another LX or equivalent because I wanted
moonroof again. Besides, I liked the Si's alloys.


> Poor Si thing, it went in the wrong ricer
> hands and ended being the biggest ricemobile ever...

I really haven't noticed that more Si's are riced vs. other Civic models. Of
course, I can't tell what many of them actually are unless I look closely
(badging is sometimes removed or deceitful). I think more coupes are riced
vs. sedans.


>
> > > Damn hypocritical ricer boys!
> >
> > You said it! ;-) To whom I have no idea.
>
> Me neither, I'm very confused right now...

LOL!
--

Mark
'99 Civic Si


>
> > --
> > Mark
> > '99 Civic Si
>
> --Viktor
>
>

Follow-up..
========

The first Hondas that REALLY caught my attention...
http://www.velocityjournal.com/ip/stk/4142.html
http://www.velocityjournal.com/ip/stk/4143.html

They may look dated today, but in 1986, these cars were sharp!
--


Mark
'99 Civic Si

"Mark Gonzales" <enter_my_name@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:c4shtn$6hm$2@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...ivic25-ON.html
>
> "For years, Honda kept a hands-off attitude to the Civic customizing
craze,
> generally avoiding a direct marketing appeal to young enthusiasts, a group
> sometimes referred to in the industry as "the fast and furious," after a
> movie with that title that celebrated the import-car street-racing
culture.
> In 2001, Honda redesigned the Civic and made it more family-friendly and
> sedate, which in turn left the tuners feeling slighted."
>
> "Last summer, at an import-racing event in Irwindale, Calif., the crowd
> booed when the announcer mentioned Honda."
>
>
> Well, I guess I never had a problem with legitimate Civic tuners (although
> I've never understood it) but it seems you're all moving on. But can you
> take the ricers with you please?
>
> Ricers, Honda doesn't want you! Honda doesn't support you! Your
ill-fitting
> body parts, outrageous spoilers, and obnoxious exhausts are spoiling their
> image of refinement and perfection. Honda ask that you to go f up another
> kind of car (I personally recommended the Ford Focus) and leave the poor
> Civic alone!
>
> Honda, listen to Car & Driver when they note that the Civic is becoming a
> POS and START MAKING IT BETTER...
>
http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=5
>
> Well, actually they only called it a "loser".
>
> That is all.
> --
>
>
> Mark
> '99 Civic Si

Mark, that's the most redicoulous piece of crap I've ever heard. Sell the Si
and get yourself a DX. It's much less powerful, more economical and safer.
Damn hypocritical ricer boys!

--Viktor

"Mark Gonzales" <enter_my_name@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "electricked" <no_emails_please> wrote in message
> news:0a6dna0VR74Eju_dRVn-vg@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Mark Gonzales" <enter_my_name@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:c4shtn$6hm$2@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> > > http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...ivic25-ON.html
>
> > Mark, that's the most redicoulous piece of crap I've ever heard.
>
> Uh, the article or my comments? Kinda vague there.

Your comments on the ricer boy family and tuners. Those ARE your comments,
aren't they?

>
> > Sell the Si and get yourself a DX.
>
> Why?

What do you mean why? You just said you don't like ricers and have no idea
why tuners do what they do. Most Si's are driven by ricers. Is that why
you're worried so much about your image as being part of the ricer family?
Jeez, don't get so uptight. It's just a ricer thing...

>
> > It's much less powerful, more economical and safer.
>
> Yes, I know. I thoroughly looked over and test drove the DX, EX, and Si
> coupe when I was shopping for my car. I also looked at other similarly
> priced '99 makes and models. But I think I made the right decision. My Si
> has given me perfect servicing for almost 5 years / 70k miles and it's
fun.
> Still feels as tight as the day I drove it off the lot. No complaints at
> all.

Yeah, the DX looks like crap but Si looks so damn good it's hard to believe
the whole ricer family is not driving one. For us non-ricer non-tuners boys
we go for the DX since it's very iconomical, not powerful--who needs a fast
car anyway, right?--and it's safe. Poor Si thing, it went in the wrong ricer
hands and ended being the biggest ricemobile ever...

> > Damn hypocritical ricer boys!
>
> You said it! ;-) To whom I have no idea.

Me neither, I'm very confused right now...

> --
> Mark
> '99 Civic Si

--Viktor

ffs, just beacuse u have a good, fast civic doesnt make u a ricer boy. im 18
and i have a black 1999 civic 1.6 VTi - i bet u think im a ricer boy huh?
160bhp. no one i know that mods has a decent car, all clios and novas. i
hate ppl who mod their cars - i always think why dont u save the money u
spend of the 18inch rims, huge bore and full body kit and put it towards a
good car LIKE MINE.

Min is unmodded apart from the factory extras of course. never will mod it
either.

"Mark Gonzales" <enter_my_name@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:c4t9jf$k25$2@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> Follow-up..
> ========
>
> The first Hondas that REALLY caught my attention...
> http://www.velocityjournal.com/ip/stk/4142.html
> http://www.velocityjournal.com/ip/stk/4143.html
>
> They may look dated today, but in 1986, these cars were sharp!
> --
>
>
> Mark
> '99 Civic Si
>
>

"froglewis" <froglewis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c4u236$s2m$1@hercules.btinternet.com...

> ffs, just beacuse u have a good, fast civic doesnt make u a ricer boy.

Well, I certainly never said otherwise.


> im 18
> and i have a black 1999 civic 1.6 VTi - i bet u think im a ricer boy huh?

A 1999 civic 1.6 VTi??? I have no idea what that is. In the U.S. for '99, we
had the Civic DX, LX, EX, HX, Si and CX. But no VTi.


> 160bhp. no one i know that mods has a decent car, all clios and novas. i
> hate ppl who mod their cars - i always think why dont u save the money u
> spend of the 18inch rims, huge bore and full body kit and put it towards a
> good car LIKE MINE.

Eh <scratching head>, ok. Sounds like a good idea to me.


> Min is unmodded apart from the factory extras of course. never will mod it
> either.

Sounds sweet. But like I said earlier, I have no problem with Civic tuners.
It's all the rice that bothers me.

It's oh so rare but it is cool to see a legitimately fast Civic that's kept
a sleeper.
--


Mark
'99 Civic Si




>
> "Mark Gonzales" <enter_my_name@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:c4t9jf$k25$2@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> > Follow-up..
> > ========
> >
> > The first Hondas that REALLY caught my attention...
> > http://www.velocityjournal.com/ip/stk/4142.html
> > http://www.velocityjournal.com/ip/stk/4143.html
> >
> > They may look dated today, but in 1986, these cars were sharp!
> > --
> >
> >
> > Mark
> > '99 Civic Si
> >
> >
>
>