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Old 29 Feb 2004, 12:57 pm
Thomas Cooke
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Default I have a slow leak in my drivers rear tire

I have a 2002 Civic EX, and the drivers rear tire seems to be loosing air at
a rate of 1-3 lbs per day. Apparently there is a nail in the tire somewhere,
so I made an appointment to see my Honda dealer. Now my question is, will a
Honda dealer plug the tire the way a gas station does (putting a piece of
rubber tubing with glue) in the tire hole? Or will they tell me to replace
the tire? There is only 22k miles on the stock tire, so I would rather have
them plug it, but I just wasn't sure if Honda can do that as a gas station
does, or if they aren't able to make small repairs like that? I have brought
tires to gas stations for these type of repairs without problems, didn't
know if Honda was any different at their dealers here in the US.

Thanks,


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Old 29 Feb 2004, 03:14 pm
Alex M. Stein
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Default Re: I have a slow leak in my drivers rear tire

Why are you going to the dealer instead of taking it to a gas station in the
first place?

I thought Honda warantee the tires, but the tire company did (but only on a
pro-rated basis) and probably not covering nails anyway.

Alex
"Thomas Cooke" <tomboy83@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have a 2002 Civic EX, and the drivers rear tire seems to be loosing air

at
> a rate of 1-3 lbs per day. Apparently there is a nail in the tire

somewhere,
> so I made an appointment to see my Honda dealer. Now my question is, will

a
> Honda dealer plug the tire the way a gas station does (putting a piece of
> rubber tubing with glue) in the tire hole? Or will they tell me to replace
> the tire? There is only 22k miles on the stock tire, so I would rather

have
> them plug it, but I just wasn't sure if Honda can do that as a gas station
> does, or if they aren't able to make small repairs like that? I have

brought
> tires to gas stations for these type of repairs without problems, didn't
> know if Honda was any different at their dealers here in the US.
>
> Thanks,
>
>



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Old 29 Feb 2004, 03:18 pm
Thomas Cooke
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Default Re: I have a slow leak in my drivers rear tire

I am not going to a gas station because the only one in this area that I
usually go to is not open on Saturdays as Honda is. I cannot afford to take
time out of work, so I go on Saturdays. I don't think the tire warranty
covers nails either.

"Alex M. Stein" <alexmstein@eartnospamhlink.net> wrote in message
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> Why are you going to the dealer instead of taking it to a gas station in

the
> first place?
>
> I thought Honda warantee the tires, but the tire company did (but only on

a
> pro-rated basis) and probably not covering nails anyway.
>



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Old 29 Feb 2004, 06:00 pm
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Default Re: I have a slow leak in my drivers rear tire

If I were you, I'd fix it myself. Take out the tire. Pour some water on the
tire and watch for bubbling. Once you find the hole, place the rubber stick
with some rubber cement glue in there and you're done. I've fixed all my
tires this way and if done properly it's as brand new. Make sure you cut the
ends of the rubber stick so they are level with the tire surface or else
they'll make tapping noises as you drive. If the hole is really small, don't
be afraid to make it bigger in order to stick the rubber stick in there.

Sometimes tires release pressure around the edges of the rims and not
because of punctures in the tire itself. Make sure that's not happening with
your tires.

--Viktor

"Thomas Cooke" <tomboy83@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I am not going to a gas station because the only one in this area that I
> usually go to is not open on Saturdays as Honda is. I cannot afford to

take
> time out of work, so I go on Saturdays. I don't think the tire warranty
> covers nails either.
>
> "Alex M. Stein" <alexmstein@eartnospamhlink.net> wrote in message
> news:VKr0c.15341$aT1.3010@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > Why are you going to the dealer instead of taking it to a gas station in

> the
> > first place?
> >
> > I thought Honda warantee the tires, but the tire company did (but only

on
> a
> > pro-rated basis) and probably not covering nails anyway.
> >

>
>



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Old 29 Feb 2004, 09:46 pm
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electricked wrote:

> If I were you, I'd fix it myself. Take out the tire. Pour some water on the
> tire and watch for bubbling. Once you find the hole, place the rubber stick
> with some rubber cement glue in there and you're done. I've fixed all my
> tires this way and if done properly it's as brand new. Make sure you cut the
> ends of the rubber stick so they are level with the tire surface or else
> they'll make tapping noises as you drive. If the hole is really small, don't
> be afraid to make it bigger in order to stick the rubber stick in there.


I'd never use just a plug alone. I'd recommend a plug AND a patch.
A patch will be secured by tire pressure and should hold better
than a plug alone. I've heard of plugs shooting right off. The
main cost of getting it repaired will be the dismounting, remounting,
and balancing the wheel.

Most tire warranties are still valid if you use a patch, but not a
plug alone.

> Sometimes tires release pressure around the edges of the rims and not
> because of punctures in the tire itself. Make sure that's not happening with
> your tires.


In which case it needs to be remounted.


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Old 01 Mar 2004, 09:19 am
Nick
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Default Re: I have a slow leak in my drivers rear tire

As previous posters have said, why don't you do it yourself? A plug
kit costs about $4 to buy which includes the screw driver plug and
rubber strips. As far as patching the tire and plugging it, I've done
this many times and as long as you get the plug in as far as it can
go, it usually won't shoot out as electricked has heard.

Nick


On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 02:46:31 GMT, y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>electricked wrote:
>
>> If I were you, I'd fix it myself. Take out the tire. Pour some water on the
>> tire and watch for bubbling. Once you find the hole, place the rubber stick
>> with some rubber cement glue in there and you're done. I've fixed all my
>> tires this way and if done properly it's as brand new. Make sure you cut the
>> ends of the rubber stick so they are level with the tire surface or else
>> they'll make tapping noises as you drive. If the hole is really small, don't
>> be afraid to make it bigger in order to stick the rubber stick in there.

>
>I'd never use just a plug alone. I'd recommend a plug AND a patch.
>A patch will be secured by tire pressure and should hold better
>than a plug alone. I've heard of plugs shooting right off. The
>main cost of getting it repaired will be the dismounting, remounting,
>and balancing the wheel.
>
>Most tire warranties are still valid if you use a patch, but not a
>plug alone.
>
>> Sometimes tires release pressure around the edges of the rims and not
>> because of punctures in the tire itself. Make sure that's not happening with
>> your tires.

>
>In which case it needs to be remounted.
>



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Old 01 Mar 2004, 10:47 am
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Default Re: I have a slow leak in my drivers rear tire

On 2/29/04 11:57 AM, in article
RJp0c.12646$yZ1.741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et, "Thomas Cooke"
<tomboy83@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have a 2002 Civic EX, and the drivers rear tire seems to be loosing air at
> a rate of 1-3 lbs per day. Apparently there is a nail in the tire somewhere,
> so I made an appointment to see my Honda dealer. Now my question is, will a
> Honda dealer plug the tire the way a gas station does (putting a piece of
> rubber tubing with glue) in the tire hole? Or will they tell me to replace
> the tire? There is only 22k miles on the stock tire, so I would rather have
> them plug it, but I just wasn't sure if Honda can do that as a gas station
> does, or if they aren't able to make small repairs like that? I have brought
> tires to gas stations for these type of repairs without problems, didn't
> know if Honda was any different at their dealers here in the US.
>
> Thanks,
>
>


The last time I had a tire fixed by a dealer (they found the nail while they
had the car for something else), they used the same cheesy string plug that
you can buy yourself at the auto parts store (or Wal-Mart) for $2. They
charged $17. Nobody intentionally goes to a car dealer to fix a flat.

The best tire patching around here (Dallas) is at the NTB tire store. They
dismount the tire, put in both a rubber plug and a patch from the inside the
way its supposed to be done.

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Old 01 Mar 2004, 01:15 pm
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"Thomas Cooke" <tomboy83@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<RJp0c.12646$yZ1.741@newsread2.news.pas.earth link.net>...
> I have a 2002 Civic EX, and the drivers rear tire seems to be loosing air at
> a rate of 1-3 lbs per day. Apparently there is a nail in the tire somewhere,
> so I made an appointment to see my Honda dealer. Now my question is, will a
> Honda dealer plug the tire the way a gas station does (putting a piece of
> rubber tubing with glue) in the tire hole? Or will they tell me to replace
> the tire? There is only 22k miles on the stock tire, so I would rather have
> them plug it, but I just wasn't sure if Honda can do that as a gas station
> does, or if they aren't able to make small repairs like that? I have brought
> tires to gas stations for these type of repairs without problems, didn't
> know if Honda was any different at their dealers here in the US.
>
> Thanks,


If you are losing tire pressure but cannot find a nail or any other
puncture in the tire, then it may be leaking at the rim or the valve.

More than likely, both the Honda dealer and the independant garage
WILL be able to patch/plug the tire, or simply remount the tire with a
new valve, as that may be the problem itself. Honda will have all the
same tools as your local shop.

Generally, the only time they *cannot* repair the tire is if the
puncture is in the sidewall or if you drove on the flat at all (i.e.
damaging the sidewalls). If sidewalls are damaged, they generally
will not repair the tire for safety/liability reasons, as the chance
of blowout increases dramatically once the sidewall has been damaged.

Like others here said, the patch/plug combo is the best solution and
if applied by a competent shop will last the life of the tire. This
should not affect tire warranty, and procedure will generally cost
about $20 or so, depending where you go.

Good luck!

Kevin
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Old 01 Mar 2004, 03:56 pm
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Nick <npolite@NOSPAMMONKEYS.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<eeh640tuv49gh3ic9qr5mgq4s4mihfctpm@4ax.com>. ..
> As previous posters have said, why don't you do it yourself? A plug
> kit costs about $4 to buy which includes the screw driver plug and
> rubber strips. As far as patching the tire and plugging it, I've done
> this many times and as long as you get the plug in as far as it can
> go, it usually won't shoot out as electricked has heard.


Most tire manufacturers seem to consider a plug alone as a
temporary fix, until it can be properly patched on the inside.

The following is from the warranty and maintenance guide for
Bridgestone/Firestone (dated 7/2002):

* Never repair a tire with less than 2/32nd inch (1.6 millimeters)
tread remaining. At this tread depth, the tire is worn out and
must be replaced.

* Never repair a tire with a puncture larger than 1/4 inch (6.4
millimeters) in diameter. Such tires cannot be properly repaired
and must be replaced.

* Repairs of all tires (radial and non-radial) must be of the plug
and inside patch type. Using plugs alone on any type of tire is
not a safe repair.

* Never repair a tire with a puncture or other damage ouside the
tread area. Such tires cannot be properly repaired and must be
replaced.

* Any tire repair done without removing the tire from the rim is
improper.

* Never use a tube as a substitute for a proper repair.

** ** **

The Tire Rack recommends a "mushroom shaped" plug/patch, and states
that it's unsafe to use a punctured tire for a long time unless it's
inspected for damage from the inside (a puncture might damage the
sidewall). They also state that the inside of the tire may include
a coating or special compound to reduce air loss, and that the patch
should be coated to prevent air loss.

<http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/general/punctures.htm>

I once had a punctured tire repaired for $15 at a gas station. I
watched the repair, as the mechanic pulled out a screw, checked
the damage, buffed and cemented the puncture area, placed on the
patch, and finally sprayed the patched area with a sealant.
The tire was then remounted and balanced. He didn't use a plug,
but I would consider this safer than a plug alone.

Here's a pretty good article, with pictures of a plug/patch.

<http://www.i-car.com/html_pages/about_icar/current_events_news/advantage/advantage_online_archives/2003/040703.html>
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Old 01 Mar 2004, 04:01 pm
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Default Re: I have a slow leak in my drivers rear tire

If it's only 1-3 lb per day, it's definitely pluggable. I would go to Wheel
Works (~$16) or Walmart (~$10), they're open on Saturdays. How much does the
dealer charge to plug? I assume it would be more expensive. Definitely don't
replace the tire.


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