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Old 17 Feb 2004, 09:10 am
Jason Nall
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Default Premature Timing Belt Failure

Hello, I have a 98 Prelude and its belt just snapped @ 61,000 miles.
Suggested replacement is @ 90k. Has anyone seen this before? Silly me did
not get the extended warranty, I didn't plan to keep the car beyond 70k and
now I have to pay. But I'm wanting to see if there is a recall or service
notice on it.

-J


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Old 17 Feb 2004, 11:13 am
John Ings
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Default Re: Premature Timing Belt Failure

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:10:53 -0600, "Jason Nall"
<cjnnospam@charter.net> wrote:

>Hello, I have a 98 Prelude and its belt just snapped @ 61,000 miles.
>Suggested replacement is @ 90k.

Or 72 months (6 years) whichever comes first,

2004
1998
-------
6

And since a 1998 car may well have been manufactured in 1997...




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Old 17 Feb 2004, 11:15 am
Jason Nall
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Default Re: Premature Timing Belt Failure

Ah, valid point... thanks.

"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:10:53 -0600, "Jason Nall"
> <cjnnospam@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >Hello, I have a 98 Prelude and its belt just snapped @ 61,000 miles.
> >Suggested replacement is @ 90k.

> Or 72 months (6 years) whichever comes first,
>
> 2004
> 1998
> -------
> 6
>
> And since a 1998 car may well have been manufactured in 1997...
>
>
>
>



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Old 17 Feb 2004, 02:31 pm
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Default Re: Premature Timing Belt Failure

dont timing belts on hondas go about 63 k neway?

"Jason Nall" <cjnnospam@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Ah, valid point... thanks.
>
> "John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
> news:r5f430d07s9nckslcsrga9gblublkhqtg1@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:10:53 -0600, "Jason Nall"
> > <cjnnospam@charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Hello, I have a 98 Prelude and its belt just snapped @ 61,000 miles.
> > >Suggested replacement is @ 90k.

> > Or 72 months (6 years) whichever comes first,
> >
> > 2004
> > 1998
> > -------
> > 6
> >
> > And since a 1998 car may well have been manufactured in 1997...
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>



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Old 17 Feb 2004, 03:03 pm
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Default Re: Premature Timing Belt Failure

That's what I thought and had an apt. to have it done this Friday (doncha
love it) and then found out it was 90k.

"froglewis" <froglewis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> dont timing belts on hondas go about 63 k neway?
>
> "Jason Nall" <cjnnospam@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:1034fgfchtvrv3f@corp.supernews.com...
> > Ah, valid point... thanks.
> >
> > "John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
> > news:r5f430d07s9nckslcsrga9gblublkhqtg1@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:10:53 -0600, "Jason Nall"
> > > <cjnnospam@charter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hello, I have a 98 Prelude and its belt just snapped @ 61,000 miles.
> > > >Suggested replacement is @ 90k.
> > > Or 72 months (6 years) whichever comes first,
> > >
> > > 2004
> > > 1998
> > > -------
> > > 6
> > >
> > > And since a 1998 car may well have been manufactured in 1997...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



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Old 17 Feb 2004, 05:37 pm
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Default Re: Premature Timing Belt Failure

I just spoke with the mechanic, he said they know there are bent valves
because of "slack" in the valve.

He was unable to explain this to me, does anyone have a clue what he means?
I can't see how a valve can be slack and spin if it's bent.

-J

"Jason Nall" <cjnnospam@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Hello, I have a 98 Prelude and its belt just snapped @ 61,000 miles.
> Suggested replacement is @ 90k. Has anyone seen this before? Silly me

did
> not get the extended warranty, I didn't plan to keep the car beyond 70k

and
> now I have to pay. But I'm wanting to see if there is a recall or service
> notice on it.
>
> -J
>
>



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Old 17 Feb 2004, 06:19 pm
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Default Re: Premature Timing Belt Failure

Jason Nall wrote:

> I just spoke with the mechanic, he said they know there are bent valves
> because of "slack" in the valve.
>
> He was unable to explain this to me, does anyone have a clue what he means?
> I can't see how a valve can be slack and spin if it's bent.
>
> -J


From what I understand, after the belt breaks, the valves stop moving
fairly quickly. The pistons keep moving and typically bend any valves
that are in their path. Is that what you meant, or something else?

Have you tried calling a dealer or Honda corporate and seeing if they'll
offer any help? From what you've described you don't really seem
negligent to me. Make your case and see if they'll help you out.

Adam
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Old 17 Feb 2004, 06:56 pm
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Default Re: Premature Timing Belt Failure

Jason Nall wrote:
> I just spoke with the mechanic, he said they know there are bent valves
> because of "slack" in the valve.
>
> He was unable to explain this to me, does anyone have a clue what he means?
> I can't see how a valve can be slack and spin if it's bent.
>
> -J
>


==============
Jason,

The slack he's describing is measured where the valve adjustment is
done, with a feeler guage. If the head of the valve gets bent
(sideways), the valve won't sit flush in it's seat (sorta like a bent
garbage can lid won't stay on the can) so the measerement is way out of
tolerance at the other end when he sticks the feeler in the gap.

We considered buying a '97 Odyssey with only 35,000km on it, but
realized it would still need a timing belt right away because of the
AGE, not the mileage.

'curly'

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Old 17 Feb 2004, 07:08 pm
J.
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NO--

'97, '98, '99 Prelude Service manual states normal/severe conditions
replacement at 105,000mi or 84 months (7 years) for TB, balancer belt and
water pump inspection.

If regularly driven in very high temps over 110F or very cold temps below
minus 20F, then change at 60,000 miles (US) or 100,000 km (Canada).

However, the auto tensioner often fails on '98-'00 ludes (I know first hand
at 64,000mi) and is documented in TSB 01-010 Jan 16, 2001. If the TB was
slapping too long (although it does make quite a racket), it might have
weakened the belt.

J.


"froglewis" <froglewis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> dont timing belts on hondas go about 63 k neway?
>



> "Jason Nall" <cjnnospam@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:1034fgfchtvrv3f@corp.supernews.com...
> > Ah, valid point... thanks.
> >
> > "John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
> > news:r5f430d07s9nckslcsrga9gblublkhqtg1@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:10:53 -0600, "Jason Nall"
> > > <cjnnospam@charter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hello, I have a 98 Prelude and its belt just snapped @ 61,000 miles.
> > > >Suggested replacement is @ 90k.
> > > Or 72 months (6 years) whichever comes first,
> > >
> > > 2004
> > > 1998
> > > -------
> > > 6
> > >
> > > And since a 1998 car may well have been manufactured in 1997...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
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Old 17 Feb 2004, 07:44 pm
Jason Nall
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Default Re: Premature Timing Belt Failure

OIC, when the valve is bent, the valve does not come all the way back and
there is gap between it and the rocker arm, or whatever these OHC motors
have up there.

Cool, thanks everyone...now to fork out the cash. Live and learn, never
factored age into the equation.

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in message
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> Jason Nall wrote:
> > I just spoke with the mechanic, he said they know there are bent valves
> > because of "slack" in the valve.
> >
> > He was unable to explain this to me, does anyone have a clue what he

means?
> > I can't see how a valve can be slack and spin if it's bent.
> >
> > -J
> >

>
> ==============
> Jason,
>
> The slack he's describing is measured where the valve adjustment is
> done, with a feeler guage. If the head of the valve gets bent
> (sideways), the valve won't sit flush in it's seat (sorta like a bent
> garbage can lid won't stay on the can) so the measerement is way out of
> tolerance at the other end when he sticks the feeler in the gap.
>
> We considered buying a '97 Odyssey with only 35,000km on it, but
> realized it would still need a timing belt right away because of the
> AGE, not the mileage.
>
> 'curly'
>



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