Honda Car Forum

In article <40286B4C.712E9B53@junkmail.com>,
Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:
>There is one VW Golf and one Honda Civic in the family. Both over 10
>years old and both with more than 100k miles on the odometer. That VW is
>very easy to work on. The Civic I simply don't know. It never required
>any work beyond changing oil and brake pads.

By now, shouldn't a 10 year old Civic with 100,000+ miles have needed
a timing belt (and probably water pump) change as preventative
maintenance (timing belt failures can cause expensive damage in Honda
engines)?

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In article <I8cVb.18035$uM2.2374@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
Thomas Cooke <tomboy83@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I know this is the wrong news group to talk about VW's, but I have already
>had a 99' accord and a 02 Civic EX. I am considering the new VW GTi, I like
>the safety features and standard as well as optional extras, and when you
>can get one nearly loaded for 21,500. that's not bad. I was wondering since
>the price is close to an Accord LX, what is the reliability/drivability like
>if anyone has had a GTi???

Wouldn't the closest equivalent in Honda's lineup be the Civic Si (a
sporty small hatchback), not the Accord LX?

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Absolutely. I was not being precise. What I meant was that the Civic has
not needed any *repair* work. It has received regular maintenance,
including the timing belt at just over 90k miles. I have not done the
maintenance myself on the Civic with exception of a set of brake pads
way back when.

"Timothy J. Lee" wrote:
>
> In article <40286B4C.712E9B53@junkmail.com>,
> Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:
> >There is one VW Golf and one Honda Civic in the family. Both over 10
> >years old and both with more than 100k miles on the odometer. That VW is
> >very easy to work on. The Civic I simply don't know. It never required
> >any work beyond changing oil and brake pads.
>
> By now, shouldn't a 10 year old Civic with 100,000+ miles have needed
> a timing belt (and probably water pump) change as preventative
> maintenance (timing belt failures can cause expensive damage in Honda
> engines)?
>
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K5 wrote:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-B002DC.16430607022004@news.usenetserver.com...
> I have to agree with everything shag says. But the '03/'04 Accords are even
> better than previous year Accords if you like the characteristics of vdubs;
> not interested in any vw bigot flames about how Hondas are appliances for
> the soulless masses - but the Accords now have a more european car feel to
> them. While I don't like the pedal feel and steering input as much as vw,
> they're getting close. Seats are firmer, steering wheel is thicker, and the
> stock suspension is pretty stiff these days. I also like the dead pedal and
> telescopic steering column.

I also am not interested in any flamewars, but I recall when I read
C&D's first review of the present-generation Accord, they said they were
told flat-out by folks at Honda that they benchmarked the B5 Passat. It
shows, IMO - while I still prefer the Passat just a little bit (I'm
biased - I own one), the new Accord is a major improvement. I might
very well have bought one instead, but they were brand-new at the time
and the dealers in my area were marking them *up*. (Not actual sticker
markups per se, but pulling stunts like only selling them with nonsense
"appearance" packages for ridiculous prices, like $700 for unwanted
pinstriping.)

> The shock/spring/tire setups were downright
> lousy on vw for a long time and you had to upgrade them if you preferred a
> tighter and stiffer ride.

Based on what I've been reading, the A5 Golf will be a significant
improvement over the A4 in the handling department. (Even the A4 wasn't
bad, but admittedly the A3s were much too soft.)

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Randolph wrote:

> There is one VW Golf and one Honda Civic in the family. Both over 10
> years old and both with more than 100k miles on the odometer. That VW is
> very easy to work on. The Civic I simply don't know. It never required
> any work beyond changing oil and brake pads.

At some point that Civic will just up and die on you, especially if
you're not doing preventative maintenance. With proper care, the Golf
can last you 300K miles. (If you want it that long. ;-)

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Mike Smith

Both cars are receiving regular maintenance. Both cars will eventually
die. The VW has required a number of repairs, the Honda has required
none so far.

Mike Smith wrote:
>
> Randolph wrote:
>
> > There is one VW Golf and one Honda Civic in the family. Both over 10
> > years old and both with more than 100k miles on the odometer. That VW is
> > very easy to work on. The Civic I simply don't know. It never required
> > any work beyond changing oil and brake pads.
>
> At some point that Civic will just up and die on you, especially if
> you're not doing preventative maintenance. With proper care, the Golf
> can last you 300K miles. (If you want it that long. ;-)
>
> --
> Mike Smith

Actually I heard that Honda engines are built to last 300k miles if you take
care of them. I know VW's are supposed to be along with Mercedes, but I also
heard Honda's are almost as durable in high milage. I can't remember who I
heard it from, but someone told me a while ago how they put 450k on a Honda
Civic.



"Mike Smith" <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message
news:102jkm28hu4bad0@news.supernews.com...
> Randolph wrote:
>
> > There is one VW Golf and one Honda Civic in the family. Both over 10
> > years old and both with more than 100k miles on the odometer. That VW is
> > very easy to work on. The Civic I simply don't know. It never required
> > any work beyond changing oil and brake pads.
>
> At some point that Civic will just up and die on you, especially if
> you're not doing preventative maintenance. With proper care, the Golf
> can last you 300K miles. (If you want it that long. ;-)
>
> --
> Mike Smith
>

You the same dude that hangs out in AMR? IMO, Hondas are excellent cars up
until about 150k. VW's tend to have more problems but can take merciless
abuse and Golfs with 3-400k are all over the place.

Jason
"Mike Smith" <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message
news:102jkm28hu4bad0@news.supernews.com...
> Randolph wrote:
>
> > There is one VW Golf and one Honda Civic in the family. Both over 10
> > years old and both with more than 100k miles on the odometer. That VW is
> > very easy to work on. The Civic I simply don't know. It never required
> > any work beyond changing oil and brake pads.
>
> At some point that Civic will just up and die on you, especially if
> you're not doing preventative maintenance. With proper care, the Golf
> can last you 300K miles. (If you want it that long. ;-)
>
> --
> Mike Smith
>

In article <a8d5c1282dcc6e2abae75fb1d2b42c82@news.teranews.co m>,
"Jason Mc New" <gennief@noverizonspam.com> wrote:

> You the same dude that hangs out in AMR? IMO, Hondas are excellent cars up
> until about 150k. VW's tend to have more problems but can take merciless
> abuse and Golfs with 3-400k are all over the place.

If they have problems, how is it they're taking merciless abuse?