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Old 03 Feb 2004, 02:38 pm
Paul Bielec
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Default water pump failure

Before my brand new Honda, I owned several Japanese cars with various
mileage (up to 270000 km). All of them with original water pumps.
After following this group for a while, I've noticed that lot of people
replace their pumps as preventive maintenance when they change the timing
belt.
I understand that changing the pump is very easy at this time but I never
had a water pump failure before.

So, are the Honda pumps breaking earlier that the competition?
If yours broke, what was the age and the mileage on the car? normal or
severe conditions?


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Old 03 Feb 2004, 03:34 pm
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Default Re: water pump failure

"Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> spake unto the masses in
news:bvp0ss$qib$1@dns3.cae.ca:

> Before my brand new Honda, I owned several Japanese cars with various
> mileage (up to 270000 km). All of them with original water pumps.
> After following this group for a while, I've noticed that lot of people
> replace their pumps as preventive maintenance when they change the timing
> belt.
> I understand that changing the pump is very easy at this time but I never
> had a water pump failure before.
>
> So, are the Honda pumps breaking earlier that the competition?
> If yours broke, what was the age and the mileage on the car? normal or
> severe conditions?
>
>



The pump's only about $75. It's cheap insurance to make sure you don't have
to tear back in there again, which costs a lot more than $75 unless you do
it yourself.

Also, should that pump actually seize, it will chew up the timing belt, and
there go your valves! QUITE a lot more than $75.


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Old 03 Feb 2004, 03:35 pm
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Default Re: water pump failure

"Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote in message news:bvp0ss$qib$1@dns3.cae.ca...
> So, are the Honda pumps breaking earlier that the competition?
> If yours broke, what was the age and the mileage on the car? normal or
> severe conditions?

I personally have never seen a Honda water pump fail - although I'm sure
they can and do. I replace the wp on Honda's at the timing belt interval as
reasonably inexpensive preventitive maintenance because they are buried in
behind the tb.


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Old 03 Feb 2004, 05:47 pm
Randolph
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Default Re: water pump failure

They key is that on Honda engines the water pump is driven by the timing
belt. On other cars I have worked on the pump has been driven by one of
the other drive belts. This means that a seized water pump on a Honda
could potentially cause the timing belt to break and thus ruin the valve
train. Also, if the water pump fails in some other manner (not by
seizing) you need to go through the whole timing belt change procedure
to get at it, which is expensive. On other cars I have worked on, water
pump replacement has been much easier to do. So on many non-Hondas you
can drive around with the old water pump until it fails and not risk a
huge repair bill when it eventually does fail.

Paul Bielec wrote:
>
> Before my brand new Honda, I owned several Japanese cars with various
> mileage (up to 270000 km). All of them with original water pumps.
> After following this group for a while, I've noticed that lot of people
> replace their pumps as preventive maintenance when they change the timing
> belt.
> I understand that changing the pump is very easy at this time but I never
> had a water pump failure before.
>
> So, are the Honda pumps breaking earlier that the competition?
> If yours broke, what was the age and the mileage on the car? normal or
> severe conditions?

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Old 03 Feb 2004, 05:51 pm
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"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9484A8CB0183Bteggeratistop@207.14.113.17.. .
> "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> spake unto the masses in
> news:bvp0ss$qib$1@dns3.cae.ca:
>
> > Before my brand new Honda, I owned several Japanese cars with various
> > mileage (up to 270000 km). All of them with original water pumps.
> > After following this group for a while, I've noticed that lot of people
> > replace their pumps as preventive maintenance when they change the

timing
> > belt.
> > I understand that changing the pump is very easy at this time but I

never
> > had a water pump failure before.
> >
> > So, are the Honda pumps breaking earlier that the competition?
> > If yours broke, what was the age and the mileage on the car? normal or
> > severe conditions?
> >
> >

>
>
> The pump's only about $75. It's cheap insurance to make sure you don't

have
> to tear back in there again, which costs a lot more than $75 unless you do
> it yourself.
>
> Also, should that pump actually seize, it will chew up the timing belt,

and
> there go your valves! QUITE a lot more than $75.


On my VW Eurovan it was a lot more. As in almost $2k more. Water pump
bearing froze, ate the belt, and the rest you can imagine....
YHMMV

a


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Old 03 Feb 2004, 07:42 pm
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Default Re: water pump failure

I believe Paul brings up a valid question. What is the actual mean time
between failure for the water pump. Just because it's easy and convenience
does not always mean that you should replace it. If the water pump failure
doesn't fail until after 250,000 miles for example, maybe it's better to
replace it every 2nd timing belt change.

My 91 Civic service manual calls for an inspection of the waterpump @
90,000 miles when the timing belt is replaced.

It's very easy to throw out ideas and recommendations just because it's
convenience but it needs to be backed up with some hard facts.

I'd be curious to get an actual statistic on how often the water pump fails
and what mileaging.




"Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote in message news:bvp0ss$qib$1@dns3.cae.ca...
> Before my brand new Honda, I owned several Japanese cars with various
> mileage (up to 270000 km). All of them with original water pumps.
> After following this group for a while, I've noticed that lot of people
> replace their pumps as preventive maintenance when they change the timing
> belt.
> I understand that changing the pump is very easy at this time but I never
> had a water pump failure before.
>
> So, are the Honda pumps breaking earlier that the competition?
> If yours broke, what was the age and the mileage on the car? normal or
> severe conditions?
>
>



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Old 03 Feb 2004, 07:56 pm
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"Pailyn" <fluffydaddym3@yahoooo.com> wrote in message
news:t6YTb.210787$I06.2340467@attbi_s01...
> I believe Paul brings up a valid question. What is the actual mean time
> between failure for the water pump. Just because it's easy and

convenience
> does not always mean that you should replace it. If the water pump

failure
> doesn't fail until after 250,000 miles for example, maybe it's better to
> replace it every 2nd timing belt change.


If it fails at that mileage, you've probably just written off the car.


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Old 03 Feb 2004, 09:01 pm
Mista Bone
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Default Re: water pump failure

1991 Civic water pump at 117,000 miles, car was over heating.......
new pump vs. old pump

"Pailyn" <fluffydaddym3@yahoooo.com> wrote in message
news:t6YTb.210787$I06.2340467@attbi_s01...
> I believe Paul brings up a valid question. What is the actual mean time
> between failure for the water pump. Just because it's easy and

convenience
> does not always mean that you should replace it. If the water pump

failure
> doesn't fail until after 250,000 miles for example, maybe it's better to
> replace it every 2nd timing belt change.
>
> My 91 Civic service manual calls for an inspection of the waterpump @
> 90,000 miles when the timing belt is replaced.
>
> It's very easy to throw out ideas and recommendations just because it's
> convenience but it needs to be backed up with some hard facts.
>
> I'd be curious to get an actual statistic on how often the water pump

fails
> and what mileaging.
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote in message

news:bvp0ss$qib$1@dns3.cae.ca...
> > Before my brand new Honda, I owned several Japanese cars with various
> > mileage (up to 270000 km). All of them with original water pumps.
> > After following this group for a while, I've noticed that lot of people
> > replace their pumps as preventive maintenance when they change the

timing
> > belt.
> > I understand that changing the pump is very easy at this time but I

never
> > had a water pump failure before.
> >
> > So, are the Honda pumps breaking earlier that the competition?
> > If yours broke, what was the age and the mileage on the car? normal or
> > severe conditions?
> >
> >

>
>



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Old 03 Feb 2004, 09:05 pm
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Default Re: water pump failure

forgot the pic........

http://www.bettendorf.com/~mrbone/pictures/RR/wpump.jpg


"Mista Bone" <mistab0ne@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:NfZTb.23319$Jf2.21313@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> 1991 Civic water pump at 117,000 miles, car was over heating.......
> new pump vs. old pump
>
> "Pailyn" <fluffydaddym3@yahoooo.com> wrote in message
> news:t6YTb.210787$I06.2340467@attbi_s01...
> > I believe Paul brings up a valid question. What is the actual mean time
> > between failure for the water pump. Just because it's easy and

> convenience
> > does not always mean that you should replace it. If the water pump

> failure
> > doesn't fail until after 250,000 miles for example, maybe it's better to
> > replace it every 2nd timing belt change.
> >
> > My 91 Civic service manual calls for an inspection of the waterpump @
> > 90,000 miles when the timing belt is replaced.
> >
> > It's very easy to throw out ideas and recommendations just because it's
> > convenience but it needs to be backed up with some hard facts.
> >
> > I'd be curious to get an actual statistic on how often the water pump

> fails
> > and what mileaging.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote in message

> news:bvp0ss$qib$1@dns3.cae.ca...
> > > Before my brand new Honda, I owned several Japanese cars with various
> > > mileage (up to 270000 km). All of them with original water pumps.
> > > After following this group for a while, I've noticed that lot of

people
> > > replace their pumps as preventive maintenance when they change the

> timing
> > > belt.
> > > I understand that changing the pump is very easy at this time but I

> never
> > > had a water pump failure before.
> > >
> > > So, are the Honda pumps breaking earlier that the competition?
> > > If yours broke, what was the age and the mileage on the car? normal or
> > > severe conditions?
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



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Old 03 Feb 2004, 09:35 pm
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"Pailyn" <fluffydaddym3@yahoooo.com> wrote in message
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>Just because it's easy and convenience does not always mean that you should

replace it.
>If the water pump failure doesn't fail until after 250,000 miles for

example, maybe it's better to
It's generally accepted that it's a sound idea to replace the thing when
you've gone to all the work or expense of getting the timing belt replaced.
Sure, push it to 200k and hopefully it won't seize and snap the timing belt.
If it does, when the tow shows up, you can say, "hycuk, hyuck I just got
200k on $65 part, hyuck, hyuck... and now I get to rebuild the head".


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