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>Hell you could probably get a 95 Accord EX for about 4-5K if you look hard.

Heck, I've seen a '98 LX for $5900.


>
>I just looked up our local paper though and the local asshole Ford
>dealership is asking $3999 for a 1988 Honda Accord DX with 188k miles. Kiss
>my ass!!!!!!!!
>

Friend bought a '88 Accord DX for $900. It's still running after a year. He's
even taken it on long trips w/o any problems. But I wouldn't take that kinda a
chance.






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>The navigation system is a blessing. it has all the U.S. and Canada street
>level details on one single DVD. how accurate this Alpine navigations system
>is unbeliavable. before i aproach a turn or an exit on a freeway, it says
>"exit in 1 mile", "exit in half mile", "exit in quater mile", then at the
>end, it says the name of the exit when i am 200 feet away from it. it also
>keeps track of one way streets and warns for one way streets.
>
>I just moved to New Jersey, and used to keep getting lost. this navigation
>system made driving fun and stress free.
>


What is the point of installing a toy that's worth more than the car and
obviously on its last leg?

Why not just get a Garmin Streetpilot for under $500 and does the same job as
the Alpine. Plus it can be easily removed and installed on another car.

Or better yet, get a $200 Whistler Galileo that does the same exact job!

Geez, some people are dumb!





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>What is the point of installing a toy that's worth more than the car and
>obviously on its last leg?

First of all, my car is not on its last leg. It is at 180 thousand miles,
very well-maintained, oil always changed at every 3 thousand miles, all
belts are changed. The only problem is the transmission. I've never had any
problem with this car because it is rock solid. When the car was at 160
thousand miles, I took a trip from Los Angeles to New Jersey in summer. When
I was passing through the deserts of Nevada under the heat of 120f,
brand-new cars were pulled over to the side of the road for either
overheating or flat-tire problem. My car passed every car like it was
nothing. In spite of the signs warning to turn off the air conditioner, AC
was blowing cold air even when I was driving up the slope in that heat. I
can easily put another 100 miles on this car. Does this sound like a car on
its last leg?

>Why not just get a Garmin Streetpilot for under $500 and does the same job
as
>the Alpine. Plus it can be easily removed and installed on another car.

It is obvious that you don't know anything about navigation systems at all.
That cheap shit has mono display. The screen is so little you can't make out
any shit as you're driving. The fact that display is mono makes it very hard
to understand anything out of black lines (streets) when you glance at it.

Street Pilot III Deluxe has color display, but it is the same crap. It cost
about $700. Why would you throw your money away for such piece of crap? If
you're gonna spend $700, don't throw it away, put some more money on top of
it and get the best navigation system, DVD based "ALPINE NVE-N852A" on the
market.

Why is Alpine the best? The street level coverage is superb compared to
other navigation system database. Germin Street Pilot III street map is not
complete. Some streets are not listed. Alpine has the most complete street
level map database. A few month ago, I took a trip to Canada, and Alpine
navigation system has the most current street level database. The city in
Canada we were in under construction, they were building road, re-routing
street, but the street level database was 100 percent accurate at all times.

With Germin Street Pilot III, you can't go from one end of the country to
another end without having a laptop with you so that you can download new
map database into the memory stick. You have to keep downloading map
database depending on where you're going. That is very inconvenient. The
inconvenience defeats the purpose of having a navigation system in the first
place. Let me put it this way. You wanna take a trip from Los Angeles to New
Jersey. When you're in Los Angeles, you can't put your destination in New
Jersey into the system because the system can only keep 1 or 2 states street
level information in its 128MB memory stick. So, you have to know what
midpoint to enter into the navigation system all the way to New Jersey. To
know what midpoints to enter, you need a map, needing a map defeats the
purpose of owning a navigation system. Alpine has a DVD based navigation
system, it has every street level detail of the US and Canada in one single
DVD. You don't have to have a laptop with you. You don't have to suffer
through downloading new map database as you're traveling.

Alpine has 12 million point of interest. Street Pilot III doesn't even have
1 million point of interest. With Alpine, if you know the phone number, all
you have to do is enter the phone number. Meaning, you don't even have to
enter the address. Entering phone number is enough.

When people call me and tell me to come over and start giving me the
direction, i say all i need is the phone number. that's all.

With Alpine, there is a vocal guidance for the freeway exits. Street Pilot
III doesn't have vocal guidance for freeway exits.

The common problem with Street Pilot III is that it is slow with re-routing.
When the streets are very close to one another just like the ones in
downtown, and you make a wrong turn and the navigation system re-calculates
and gives you a new route, since the re-routing is slow, and the streets are
very close to one another, you happen to pass by the next turn of your new
route. So, the cons with cheap navigation systems are that the re-routing is
not fast enough to keep up with the speed of your car. This throws your
navigation in a loop of endless re-routing. At some point, you feel like
pulling over so that your navigation system becomes functional again, but
with ALPINE NVE-852A, I never have such problem. The re-routing is always
fast enough to give me the next turn before it is too late.

The cheapest Alpine screen is large enough for very enjoyable and easy
glance.

When you're driving through tall buildings or tall trees, or when going
through a tunnel, the Street Pilot III will NOT have satellite reception and
won't function. Alpine has a gyro and speed sensor, even though you lose
satellite reception, the gyro sensor will automatically kick in and give you
guidance no matter what.

Alpine doesn't have a fixed operating system burned on a chip. When you get
new DVD for street map update, the DVD also includes updates for the
operating system. The operating system is updated when necessary with each
DVD street map update. What this means is that, you never have to wait
thinking that there might be better Alpine navigation system coming up in a
few months because they keep using the same navigation system and do updates
on the operating system of the existing navigation system.

Alpine has new street map update every 6 months. On the other hand, with
Street Pilot III, you wait for years and hope that in one of those days, a
new map updates gets released so that you have a better coverage in your
area or in other areas that you travel.

A superb navigation system like Alpine, you only need to buy once in your
life time. Once you have such superb navigation system, you don't need to
keep updating and purchasing another one.

Last but not least, even if I knew for sure that my car was gonna break down
beyond any repair in a few months, I would still get this navigation system
installed in my car because you can always get it taken off and put back to
your new car. Installation is not all that complicated.

>Or better yet, get a $200 Whistler Galileo that does the same exact job!

Read above again! It doesn't do the same job

>Geez, some people are dumb!

I think people who don't know the difference between a superb navigation
system and another navigation system that only costs $200 are the real
dumbs.

>First of all, my car is not on its last leg. It is at 180 thousand miles,
>very well-maintained, oil always changed at every 3 thousand miles, all
>belts are changed. The only problem is the transmission. I've never had any
>problem with this car because it is rock solid. When the car was at 160
>thousand miles, I took a trip from Los Angeles to New Jersey in summer. When
>I was passing through the deserts of Nevada under the heat of 120f,
>brand-new cars were pulled over to the side of the road for either
>overheating or flat-tire problem. My car passed every car like it was
>nothing. In spite of the signs warning to turn off the air conditioner, AC
>was blowing cold air even when I was driving up the slope in that heat. I
>can easily put another 100 miles on this car. Does this sound like a car on
>its last leg?
>

"Is it worth getting this car fixed?" <--- it's on its last leg, otherwise,
you wouldn't be asking this.



>>Why not just get a Garmin Streetpilot for under $500 and does the same job
>as
>>the Alpine. Plus it can be easily removed and installed on another car.
>
>It is obvious that you don't know anything about navigation systems at all.
>That cheap shit has mono display. The screen is so little you can't make out
>any shit as you're driving. The fact that display is mono makes it very hard
>to understand anything out of black lines (streets) when you glance at it.
>

Nope. Garmin StreetPilot Colormap has color. It costs under $400. I've had one
and I had no trouble seeing the screen.


>Street Pilot III Deluxe has color display, but it is the same crap. It cost
>about $700.

Only around $600 now.


Why would you throw your money away for such piece of crap?

All GPS are pieces of crap. Buy a $20 map, like normal people.


If
>you're gonna spend $700, don't throw it away, put some more money on top of
>it and get the best navigation system, DVD based "ALPINE NVE-N852A" on the
>market.

And install it on a piece of crap car on its last leg?

>
>>Geez, some people are dumb!
>
>I think people who don't know the difference between a superb navigation
>system and another navigation system that only costs $200 are the real
>dumbs.
>

Idiots who can't read maps are dumber. And those who spend thousands on
unnecessary gadgets and install em on crappy cars (on its last leg) are
dumbest.





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"DrPimpDaddi" <drpimpdaddi@aol.comearthsux> wrote in message
news:20031230192158.12189.00002171@mb-m05.aol.com...

> Idiots who can't read maps are dumber. And those who spend thousands on
> unnecessary gadgets and install em on crappy cars (on its last leg) are
> dumbest.

What about people that worry what other people have installed in their cars?

>"Is it worth getting this car fixed?" <--- it's on its last leg,
otherwise,
>you wouldn't be asking this.

After I posted the message in this newsgroup, I took the car to the
mechanic. He tested the engine and said that I could easily put another 100
thousand miles on it.

>Nope. Garmin StreetPilot Colormap has color. It costs under $400. I've had
one
>and I had no trouble seeing the screen.

If you ever had Alpine, you would be like "What is this Street Pilot crap?
This is a joke." You simply don't know any better through a first hand
comparison.

>>Street Pilot III Deluxe has color display, but it is the same crap. It
cost
>>about $700.

>Only around $600 now.

Retail price is $700.

>>Why would you throw your money away for such piece of crap?

>All GPS are pieces of crap. Buy a $20 map, like normal people.

heh-heh! It sounds like you're having a terrible experience with your
navigation system. I rest my case. lol ;-)

After using such mediocre navigation system such as Street Pilot, of course
you can't help but think all navigation systems are piece of crap. You just
need to invest enough money to get a decent navigation system. That's all.

You can't look at the map as you're driving. If you're looking for a
direction in a city that you're fairly familiar with, you can get away with
looking at the map beforehand before you start driving, but when you have no
clue about the city or the state, finding your way around is a bitch. You
keep driving around wasting time and gas not to mention frustration. A
superb navigation system does more than 20 dollars of map. It sounds like
your cheap navigation system is not even good enough to outdo 20 dollars of
map. Heh-heh ;-)

>>If you're gonna spend $700, don't throw it away, put some more money on
top of
>>it and get the best navigation system, DVD based "ALPINE NVE-N852A" on
the
>>market.

>And install it on a piece of crap car on its last leg?

As I said, my car is not a piece of crap. Even though if it were, I would
get this navigation system installed in it anyway simply because you can get
it uninstalled and transferred to your new car. You never lose any money on
this navigation system. A good navigation system is a life time investment.

>Idiots who can't read maps are dumber. And those who spend thousands on
>unnecessary gadgets and install em on crappy cars (on its last leg) are
>dumbest.

I think it is dumber to think that maps can be a substitution for a superb
navigation system. This only tells me that you're missing such experience of
a true navigation system. It is obvious that you're not an open-minded
person. I bet you're nothing but a well-known troll in this newsgroup.

>After I posted the message in this newsgroup, I took the car to the
>mechanic. He tested the engine and said that I could easily put another 100
>thousand miles on it.

Uh-huh.... suuuuuuuuuuuuure....

It's a perfect car, except needs $2000 in transmission work. LOL!


>
>>Nope. Garmin StreetPilot Colormap has color. It costs under $400. I've had
>one
>>and I had no trouble seeing the screen.
>
>If you ever had Alpine, you would be like "What is this Street Pilot crap?
>This is a joke." You simply don't know any better through a first hand
>comparison.
>
>>>Street Pilot III Deluxe has color display, but it is the same crap. It
>cost
>>>about $700.
>
>>Only around $600 now.
>
>Retail price is $700.

No, MSRP is $999.



>
>>>Why would you throw your money away for such piece of crap?
>
>>All GPS are pieces of crap. Buy a $20 map, like normal people.
>
>heh-heh! It sounds like you're having a terrible experience with your
>navigation system. I rest my case. lol ;-)

It was a fun GADGET. Nothing more. I never got lost before or after it using
online maps and good old fold-ups.

>
>After using such mediocre navigation system such as Street Pilot, of course
>you can't help but think all navigation systems are piece of crap. You just
>need to invest enough money to get a decent navigation system. That's all.

Oh please, I'd rather invest that money in a REAL car. You sound like those
fools who put $5000 wheels on cars worth 1/10th that.

>
>You can't look at the map as you're driving. If you're looking for a
>direction in a city that you're fairly familiar with, you can get away with
>looking at the map beforehand before you start driving, but when you have no
>clue about the city or the state, finding your way around is a bitch. You
>keep driving around wasting time and gas not to mention frustration. A
>superb navigation system does more than 20 dollars of map. It sounds like
>your cheap navigation system is not even good enough to outdo 20 dollars of
>map. Heh-heh ;-)

Just because you don't know how to read a map doesn't mean that no one else
does. I'd rather stop for a min to read the map than spend tons of money on
something you don't even need 99% of the time.

>
>>>If you're gonna spend $700, don't throw it away, put some more money on
>top of
>>>it and get the best navigation system, DVD based "ALPINE NVE-N852A" on
>the
>>>market.
>
>>And install it on a piece of crap car on its last leg?
>
>As I said, my car is not a piece of crap. Even though if it were, I would
>get this navigation system installed in it anyway simply because you can get
>it uninstalled and transferred to your new car. You never lose any money on
>this navigation system. A good navigation system is a life time investment.
>

Oh please, it'll be obsolete in couple of years, if it's not already broken or
stolen.


>>Idiots who can't read maps are dumber. And those who spend thousands on
>>unnecessary gadgets and install em on crappy cars (on its last leg) are
>>dumbest.
>
>I think it is dumber to think that maps can be a substitution for a superb
>navigation system. This only tells me that you're missing such experience of
>a true navigation system. It is obvious that you're not an open-minded
>person. I bet you're nothing but a well-known troll in this newsgroup.
>

If I wanna buy a real GPS, I'll buy a factory installed one, not some
aftermarket piece of crap.





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On 31 Dec 2003 02:30:41 GMT, drpimpdaddi@aol.comearthsux (DrPimpDaddi)
wrote:

>>After I posted the message in this newsgroup, I took the car to the
>>mechanic. He tested the engine and said that I could easily put another 100
>>thousand miles on it.

Ok, then it becomes a pretty easy decision to me. Replace the
transmission, torque converter and all. It's a straightforward sub-1
day operation for a shop that does them often and you'll be good to go
for another 100k miles.

Keep the car, keep the lower insurance premiums, keep the toys, and be
glad you don't have 48 months of new car payments to make.

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>>After I posted the message in this newsgroup, I took the car to the
>>mechanic. He tested the engine and said that I could easily put another
100
>>thousand miles on it.

>Uh-huh.... suuuuuuuuuuuuure....

Believe it or not!

>It's a perfect car, except needs $2000 in transmission work. LOL!

Just $1200! Every transmission is bound to get fixed. It is rare that
transmission lasts longer or just much as the engine. Just because the
transmission needs repair, that doesn't mean the car is crap.

>>Retail price is $700.

>No, MSRP is $999.

You see? That's even worse. Just put a few more hundred dollars and get the
best! ;-)

>It was a fun GADGET. Nothing more. I never got lost before or after it
using
>online maps and good old fold-ups.

Sure, it is no problem when you're driving around your own backyard. Move
into another state, then tell me how much the maps can help you.

>>After using such mediocre navigation system such as Street Pilot, of
course
>>you can't help but think all navigation systems are piece of crap. You
just
>>need to invest enough money to get a decent navigation system. That's all.

>Oh please, I'd rather invest that money in a REAL car. You sound like those
>fools who put $5000 wheels on cars worth 1/10th that.

Get real! You'd rather invest a price of superb navigations system ($1450)
on a real car? Unfortunately, investing $1450 will not get you a REAL car.
You need to invest a lot more than that if you want anything REAL.

>Just because you don't know how to read a map doesn't mean that no one else
>does. I'd rather stop for a min to read the map than spend tons of money on
>something you don't even need 99% of the time.

I read maps. That's why I know no map can be substitution for a superb
navigation system. I think you don't pay attention to what I say. I said
that I live in New Jersey. There are streets that are not even listed on
street maps. The roads in New Jersey are like back roads. In California, you
have at least some decent street map book called "Thomas Guide", but in New
Jersey, you have street maps that look like hand drawn. You need a ****ing
decoder to read the name of the street on the map. When some of the streets
are not even listed on the map, it adds more frustration. In New Jersey, you
can't simply pull over and look at the map because ***most of the roads are
one-lane-roads*** with many other cars behind your tail. You don't have a
road or space to pull over and look at the map. Even when you need to make a
U turn, you can't make a U turn without driving miles and miles until you
find a spot to make a U turn. I used to live in California, I just moved to
New Jersey. New Jersey is not like California or any other state.

>Oh please, it'll be obsolete in couple of years, if it's not already broken
or
>stolen.

As long as the roads don't become obsolete, the navigation system won't be
obsolete. Alpine navigation system comes in 3 pieces, the screen, the
navigation system (which is the box that has the DVD, and the remote
control. You never touch anything other than the remote control. So, the
only thing that might need replacement is the remote control, which costs
about $70. Since it is a built-in navigation system, not a portable one, it
is not a target for car thieves because it is not easy to uninstall the
navigation system. I mean you can't even see the navigation box that has the
dvd because it is either under your seat or in your trunk.

>If I wanna buy a real GPS, I'll buy a factory installed one, not some
>aftermarket piece of crap.

This simply proves that you don't know anything about navigation systems,
especially about ALPINE. Alpine is not an "aftermarket" product. It is the
one and only navigation system that all major cars manufacturers use. I
mean, when it comes to navigation system, you don't have many choices, the
one and only best choice is Alpine.

Factories such as Lamborghini, Rolls Royce, BMW, Jaguar, Mercedes, Honda,
Acura, Lincoln and Bentley install the very same "Alpine" navigation system
that I have in their vehicles. I rest my case.

>Just $1200! Every transmission is bound to get fixed. It is rare that
>transmission lasts longer or just much as the engine. Just because the
>transmission needs repair, that doesn't mean the car is crap.
>

When the cost of repair exceeds the value of the car, it's CRAP.



>>>Retail price is $700.
>
>>No, MSRP is $999.
>
>You see? That's even worse. Just put a few more hundred dollars and get the
>best! ;-)
>

You mean 2½ times.


>>It was a fun GADGET. Nothing more. I never got lost before or after it
>using
>>online maps and good old fold-ups.
>
>Sure, it is no problem when you're driving around your own backyard. Move
>into another state, then tell me how much the maps can help you.
>

Driven to AZ and NV without any problem.



>>>After using such mediocre navigation system such as Street Pilot, of
>course
>>>you can't help but think all navigation systems are piece of crap. You
>just
>>>need to invest enough money to get a decent navigation system. That's all.
>
>>Oh please, I'd rather invest that money in a REAL car. You sound like those
>>fools who put $5000 wheels on cars worth 1/10th that.
>
>Get real! You'd rather invest a price of superb navigations system ($1450)
>on a real car? Unfortunately, investing $1450 will not get you a REAL car.
>You need to invest a lot more than that if you want anything REAL.
>

$1450 + repair for trans = a nice downpay on a REAL car.


>>Just because you don't know how to read a map doesn't mean that no one else
>>does. I'd rather stop for a min to read the map than spend tons of money on
>>something you don't even need 99% of the time.
>
>I read maps. That's why I know no map can be substitution for a superb
>navigation system. I think you don't pay attention to what I say. I said
>that I live in New Jersey. There are streets that are not even listed on
>street maps. The roads in New Jersey are like back roads. In California, you
>have at least some decent street map book called "Thomas Guide", but in New
>Jersey, you have street maps that look like hand drawn. You need a ****ing
>decoder to read the name of the street on the map. When some of the streets
>are not even listed on the map, it adds more frustration. In New Jersey, you
>can't simply pull over and look at the map because ***most of the roads are
>one-lane-roads*** with many other cars behind your tail. You don't have a
>road or space to pull over and look at the map. Even when you need to make a
>U turn, you can't make a U turn without driving miles and miles until you
>find a spot to make a U turn. I used to live in California, I just moved to
>New Jersey. New Jersey is not like California or any other state.

Not everyone in NJ has GPS, yet, they seem to be doing fine. I've been to new
neighborhoods.... all it takes is couple of glances at the damn map.

>
>>Oh please, it'll be obsolete in couple of years, if it's not already broken
>or
>>stolen.
>
>As long as the roads don't become obsolete, the navigation system won't be
>obsolete. Alpine navigation system comes in 3 pieces, the screen, the
>navigation system (which is the box that has the DVD, and the remote
>control. You never touch anything other than the remote control. So, the
>only thing that might need replacement is the remote control, which costs
>about $70. Since it is a built-in navigation system, not a portable one, it
>is not a target for car thieves because it is not easy to uninstall the
>navigation system. I mean you can't even see the navigation box that has the
>dvd because it is either under your seat or in your trunk.

Oh please, aftermarket GPS are about as easy to steal as aftermarket CD
changers.


>
>>If I wanna buy a real GPS, I'll buy a factory installed one, not some
>>aftermarket piece of crap.
>
>This simply proves that you don't know anything about navigation systems,
>especially about ALPINE. Alpine is not an "aftermarket" product. It is the
>one and only navigation system that all major cars manufacturers use. I
>mean, when it comes to navigation system, you don't have many choices, the
>one and only best choice is Alpine.

Aftermarket Alpine is FAR WORSE than factory installed. The screen is much
smaller, it can't be integrated in to the dash, no touch-screen, isn't voice
activated, etc. etc. It's really no better than Garmin.



>
>Factories such as Lamborghini, Rolls Royce, BMW, Jaguar, Mercedes, Honda,
>Acura, Lincoln and Bentley install the very same "Alpine" navigation system
>that I have in their vehicles. I rest my case.
>
>

Not.



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