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Old 03 Sep 2012, 12:36 pm
SadaYama
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Default 2000 Accord Timing belt change or just inspect?


2000 Honda Accord EX, 4 door, 5 speed, just 90,000 miles.

At 90,000 miles, it is usually recommended to change the timing belt, replace the water pump, also power steering belt and alternator belt. Do you guys recommend replacing or just inspect timing belt and replace all only if needed?

I talked to my friend mechanic, who mentioned inspect and if it seems OK, just leave it alone. He has a Acura and has 230,000 miles and said he never replaced his timing belt. He also recommended adding a tablespoon of engineoil to the coolant, which could be useful, just in case if the water pump freezes or timing belt snaps. Do any of you recommend this ?
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Old 03 Sep 2012, 12:58 pm
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Default Re: 2000 Accord Timing belt change or just inspect?

On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 09:36:19 -0700 (PDT), SadaYama
<gireesham@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>2000 Honda Accord EX, 4 door, 5 speed, just 90,000 miles.
>
>At 90,000 miles, it is usually recommended to change the timing belt, replace the water
>pump, also power steering belt and alternator belt. Do you guys recommend replacing
>or just inspect timing belt and replace all only if needed?
>
>I talked to my friend mechanic, who mentioned inspect and if it seems OK, just leave it
>alone. He has a Acura and has 230,000 miles and said he never replaced his timing belt.
>He also recommended adding a tablespoon of engine oil to the coolant, which could be
>useful, just in case if the water pump freezes or timing belt snaps. Do any of you recommend
>this ?



One question I have is how do you quantitate "seems OK"? Get it
changed. If the timing belt breaks you will probably be looking at
major engine damage. As for the alternator belt: If it breaks it may
only leave you stranded. As for the Power steering belt: I guess it
depends where you're driving when it breaks. I've never driven my
Civic without PS so I don't know the hazards.
FWIW, my Civic is approaching 400,00 miles and it still has the
original PS belt. The alternator belt had to be cut when an
alternator had to be cut out of it's mount some time back so who knows
if it would still be there otherwise. I just wouldn't risk the engine
though. I'm on my 3rd timing belt and it's overdue a bit.
Oil in the coolant? I've never heard of that happening
intentionally.
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John M.
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Old 03 Sep 2012, 03:00 pm
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Default Re: 2000 Accord * Timing belt change or just inspect?

In article <be19f153-d774-4515-9de3-249d586aa423@googlegroups.com>,
SadaYama <gireesham@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I talked to my friend mechanic, who mentioned inspect and if it seems OK,
> just leave it alone.


does he have a specific definition for "inspect" and "seems OK"?

if not...
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Old 03 Sep 2012, 03:01 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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Default Re: 2000 Accord * Timing belt change or just inspect?

In article <be19f153-d774-4515-9de3-249d586aa423@googlegroups.com>,
SadaYama <gireesham@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I talked to my friend mechanic, who mentioned inspect and if it seems OK,
> just leave it alone. He has a Acura and has 230,000 miles and said he never
> replaced his timing belt.


I know lots of people who say the same thing about wearing seat belts.
"Hell, I've never worn one and I'm fine."



> He also recommended adding a tablespoon of engine oil to the coolant, which
> could be useful, just in case if the water pump freezes or timing belt snaps.


the Old Wife is strong in this one.

I'm sure he has plenty of medical advice for you, too.
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Old 03 Sep 2012, 10:16 pm
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Default Re: 2000 Accord � Timing belt change or just inspect?

On 09/03/2012 12:00 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<be19f153-d774-4515-9de3-249d586aa423@googlegroups.com>,
> SadaYama<gireesham@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I talked to my friend mechanic, who mentioned inspect and if it seems OK,
>> just leave it alone.

>
> does he have a specific definition for "inspect" and "seems OK"?
>
> if not...


i have a specific definition of "inspect". determine what antifreeze
was used in the vehicle. if it was cheapo high silicate, then inspect
and consider replacing the pump. but if high quality h.o.a.t.
antifreeze was used, then i wouldn't. honda oem pumps last 200+k miles
if the correct grade of antifreeze is used. that's why the honda
factory service spec does /not/ include a pump change.

the industry-wide knee-jerk pump changes are thanks to our friends at
frod and g.m. whose pumps are lucky to make it to the service interval
then /have/ to be changed. honda pumps last way longer if not abused or
changed out by people that can't think for themselves or read a service
spec.


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Old 03 Sep 2012, 10:18 pm
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Default Re: 2000 Accord � Timing belt change or just inspect?

On 09/03/2012 07:16 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 09/03/2012 12:00 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article<be19f153-d774-4515-9de3-249d586aa423@googlegroups.com>,
>> SadaYama<gireesham@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I talked to my friend mechanic, who mentioned inspect and if it seems
>>> OK,
>>> just leave it alone.

>>
>> does he have a specific definition for "inspect" and "seems OK"?
>>
>> if not...

>
> i have a specific definition of "inspect".


for the pump of course, not the belt.


> determine what antifreeze was
> used in the vehicle. if it was cheapo high silicate, then inspect and
> consider replacing the pump. but if high quality h.o.a.t. antifreeze was
> used, then i wouldn't. honda oem pumps last 200+k miles if the correct
> grade of antifreeze is used. that's why the honda factory service spec
> does /not/ include a pump change.
>
> the industry-wide knee-jerk pump changes are thanks to our friends at
> frod and g.m. whose pumps are lucky to make it to the service interval
> then /have/ to be changed. honda pumps last way longer if not abused or
> changed out by people that can't think for themselves or read a service
> spec.
>
>



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Old 04 Sep 2012, 06:16 am
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Default Re: 2000 Accord � Timing belt change or just inspect?

<<<Elmo P. Shagnasty: does he have a specific definition for "inspect" and "seems OK"? if not... >>>

He wanted to charge for 1hour labor to inspect the timing belt. He wanted to physically see it by removing all the obstructions and inspect for wear and tear and let me know to replace or not.

<<<Elmo P. Shagnasty: the Old Wife is strong in this one. I'm sure he has plenty of medical advice for you, too. >>>

The reason he says to put a tablespoon of engine oil in the coolant is, just in case the water pump freezes, it would have some lubrication (?) (with oil) and wouldn't damage the engine. I don't understand his logic but he said if water pump breaks or timing belt snaps not to drive and have it towed right away.

Jim Beam: I do use Honda recommended spec of anti-freeze. The logic behind replace a working water pump when replacing timing belt is: It costs the same amount of labor (as replacing timing belt), just in case water pump breaks. Oh well.
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Old 04 Sep 2012, 09:45 am
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Default Re: 2000 Accord ? Timing belt change or just inspect?

In article <k23oab$2sn$1@dont-email.me>, jim beam <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

> honda oem pumps last 200+k miles
> if the correct grade of antifreeze is used.


*usually*, but not always.

My 92 Si, the pump was seeping right at about 90K.

Dammit. Ah, well. At least it coincided nicely with my TB replacement.
No huge loss there.
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Old 04 Sep 2012, 09:49 am
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Default Re: 2000 Accord ? Timing belt change or just inspect?

In article <a7f19a81-01e3-4de6-8532-607c0e55abf1@googlegroups.com>,
SadaYama <gireesham@yahoo.com> wrote:

> He wanted to charge for 1hour labor to inspect the timing belt. He wanted to
> physically see it by removing all the obstructions and inspect for wear and
> tear and let me know to replace or not.


OK, so he physically saw it. But without a specific definition of
"seems OK," you're into voodoo land.

And a TB's health cannot be determined with a purely visual inspection.

Was he willing to back up his inspection with a warranty? Say, if the
thing snapped within X number of miles he'd fix all the resulting damage?

Again, if not...voodoo land.



> The reason he says to put a tablespoon of engine oil in the coolant is, just
> in case the water pump freezes, it would have some lubrication (?) (with oil)
> and wouldn't damage the engine.


I am confused here. Either it seizes, or it doesn't. If it seizes then
the TB stops and you have engine damage.

I'm sure his explanation is slicker, but I'm also sure it's no more
accurate.



> but he said if water pump breaks or timing belt snaps * not to drive and have
> it towed right away.


That's like the doctor telling you that if you break your leg, don't
walk on it. As if you could.



> The logic behind replace a working water pump when replacing timing belt is:
> It costs the same amount of labor (as replacing timing belt), just in case
> water pump breaks.


That is the logic, and a water pump isn't expensive--so if you like to
buy insurance, then it's not expensive insurance.
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Old 04 Sep 2012, 10:40 am
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Default Re: 2000 Accord ? Timing belt change or just inspect?

Thanks a bunch.

I will go ahead and change them all: Timing belt, water pump and all other 3 belts. Even though my car has only 90,000 miles, it is almost 12 years old and is subject to severe New England winters and summers which makes those belts go through extreme temperatures. Thanks again. :-)
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