Honda Car Forum

Okay, so it was late at night and I should have realized what I was
doing, but...

I drove up in my (almost level) driveway last night, turned off the
ignition of my almost-new 2003 Accord V6 Coupe, took out the key,
and got out. As I was walking up the steps of my house, I heard a
loud noise. I turned around to see what it was.. and realized my
car wasn't in the driveway anymore. It had rolled out the
driveway, across the street, and backed itself into a small pine
tree in my neighbor's yard.

The end result is a leaning tree and a scraped-off bare spot the
size of my fist on the lower part of the plastic bumper. I don't
know if it can be repaired or if the whole plastic part has to be
replaced. The spot really shows since the car is white.

Although I should have put the car park, the key easily came out
while the transmission selector was in "Drive". I've done the same
thing before, but realized the car was rolling before I got out. I
can remove the key and insert the key while in "D", which the
owner's manual clearly says you can't do. The key can be on
(engine running), the transmission in drive, and I can simply twist
the key and remove with no trouble at all.

I couldn't do this when I first got the car. If the damn key
hadn't come out last night, my bumper would still look brand new.
Anybody else's ignition switch work this way (now)?


Casey

I started with nothing. I still have most of it.

Casey,

This was posted on alt.autos.honda on Thursday:

> the new model CRV's has one recall and one product update, a shifter cable
> update and a throttle cable recall. The 2003 Accords have two also. One is
> a air intake system update and the other is a trans update where a
> "no-reverse" condition can apparently occur if you should happen to be
> caught in snow and you try to rock the vehicle free by using forward and
> reverse concurrently over and over again.
> The Emissions warranty that the Shardey Inc fella was referring to is this:
> on the 1995 v6 accord and all 1996 and 1997 Honda models they have an
> extended warranty on the emissions system ( a deal Honda made with the
> Federal Gov rather than recalling all those vehicles). Apparently the on
> board diagnosis (OBD II) emission systems of those years only did not meet
> federal regulations at that time. So for instance, any time the "check
> engine" light comes on and stays active on these models , you have a 99.5%
> chance that it will be covered under that extended warranty which is 14
> years 150,000 miles whichever occurs first. Items like oxygen sensors, cat
> converters, coil paks, ecu, pcm and so on. In addition Honda will perform
> certain free checks on the emission system at certain mileges and also
> replace the distributor cap, rotor, wires and plugs along with an oil change
> absolutely free. This warranty travels with the vehicle no matter who owns
> it at the time.
> If you have moved since you purchased your Honda or are a new owner of a
> used Honda contact your local Honda dealer and ask for the number for
> American Honda Motors, call them and have them update your info and or let
> them know you are the new owner so that you can receive any recall info and
> or product updates
>

Your answer seems to be near.

'Curly'

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Casey wrote:
> Okay, so it was late at night and I should have realized what I was
> doing, but...
>
> I drove up in my (almost level) driveway last night, turned off the
> ignition of my almost-new 2003 Accord V6 Coupe, took out the key,
> and got out. As I was walking up the steps of my house, I heard a
> loud noise. I turned around to see what it was.. and realized my
> car wasn't in the driveway anymore. It had rolled out the
> driveway, across the street, and backed itself into a small pine
> tree in my neighbor's yard.
>
> The end result is a leaning tree and a scraped-off bare spot the
> size of my fist on the lower part of the plastic bumper. I don't
> know if it can be repaired or if the whole plastic part has to be
> replaced. The spot really shows since the car is white.
>
> Although I should have put the car park, the key easily came out
> while the transmission selector was in "Drive". I've done the same
> thing before, but realized the car was rolling before I got out. I
> can remove the key and insert the key while in "D", which the
> owner's manual clearly says you can't do. The key can be on
> (engine running), the transmission in drive, and I can simply twist
> the key and remove with no trouble at all.
>
> I couldn't do this when I first got the car. If the damn key
> hadn't come out last night, my bumper would still look brand new.
> Anybody else's ignition switch work this way (now)?
>
>
> Casey
>
> I started with nothing. I still have most of it.


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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:51:24 -0600, Casey <cclremovethispart@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>Okay, so it was late at night and I should have realized what I was
>doing, but...
>
>I drove up in my (almost level) driveway last night, turned off the
>ignition of my almost-new 2003 Accord V6 Coupe, took out the key,
>and got out. As I was walking up the steps of my house, I heard a
>loud noise. I turned around to see what it was.. and realized my
>car wasn't in the driveway anymore. It had rolled out the
>driveway, across the street, and backed itself into a small pine
>tree in my neighbor's yard.

There a recall on this, although your model isn't covered. Clearly
this is a safety defect and they should be happy to cover the
relatively minor consequential damages. If they hesitate, mention
that this really should be reported to NHTSA.

Apparently you didn't read the owners manual that came with your
2003 Accord V6 Coupe. If you had you would have applied the
parking brakes as suggested. Honda has a recall for that
problem, but the fact that the key can be removed when not in
park did not result in the car to rolling from its parking spot.
Not applying the brake did.


mike hunt



Casey wrote:
>
> Okay, so it was late at night and I should have realized what I was
> doing, but...
>
> I drove up in my (almost level) driveway last night, turned off the
> ignition of my almost-new 2003 Accord V6 Coupe, took out the key,
> and got out. As I was walking up the steps of my house, I heard a
> loud noise. I turned around to see what it was.. and realized my
> car wasn't in the driveway anymore. It had rolled out the
> driveway, across the street, and backed itself into a small pine
> tree in my neighbor's yard.
>
> The end result is a leaning tree and a scraped-off bare spot the
> size of my fist on the lower part of the plastic bumper. I don't
> know if it can be repaired or if the whole plastic part has to be
> replaced. The spot really shows since the car is white.
>
> Although I should have put the car park, the key easily came out
> while the transmission selector was in "Drive". I've done the same
> thing before, but realized the car was rolling before I got out. I
> can remove the key and insert the key while in "D", which the
> owner's manual clearly says you can't do. The key can be on
> (engine running), the transmission in drive, and I can simply twist
> the key and remove with no trouble at all.
>
> I couldn't do this when I first got the car. If the damn key
> hadn't come out last night, my bumper would still look brand new.
> Anybody else's ignition switch work this way (now)?
>
>
> Casey
>
> I started with nothing. I still have most of it.

>Apparently you didn't read the owners manual that came with your
>2003 Accord V6 Coupe. If you had you would have applied the
>parking brakes as suggested. Honda has a recall for that
>problem, but the fact that the key can be removed when not in
>park did not result in the car to rolling from its parking spot.
>Not applying the brake did.
>
>
>mike hunt
>
>

you are such an idiot mike cunt. If his car had rolled down and ran over couple
of kids, it wouldn't be his fault. It would be Honda's.




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> Casey wrote:
> >
> > Okay, so it was late at night and I should have realized what I was
> > doing, but...
> >
> >
> > Although I should have put the car park, the key easily came out
> > while the transmission selector was in "Drive". I've done the same
> > thing before, but realized the car was rolling before I got out. I
> > can remove the key and insert the key while in "D", which the
> > owner's manual clearly says you can't do. The key can be on
> > (engine running), the transmission in drive, and I can simply twist
> > the key and remove with no trouble at all.
> >
> > I couldn't do this when I first got the car. If the damn key
> > hadn't come out last night, my bumper would still look brand new.
> > Anybody else's ignition switch work this way (now)?
>
> Apparently you didn't read the owners manual that came with your
> 2003 Accord V6 Coupe. If you had you would have applied the
> parking brakes as suggested.

Thank you for your help.

And if you were considering a career as a politician, you might
want to reconsider...


Casey

I started with nothing. I still have most of it.

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:54:31 GMT, MelvinGibson@mailcity.com wrote:

>Apparently you didn't read the owners manual that came with your
>2003 Accord V6 Coupe. If you had you would have applied the
>parking brakes as suggested. Honda has a recall for that
>problem, but the fact that the key can be removed when not in
>park did not result in the car to rolling from its parking spot.
>Not applying the brake did.
>
>
>mike hunt

I must disagree. If the original poster lives in a state that
recognizes contributory negligence, then he *might* have to bear some
of the responsibility, but even there, the accident resulted from a
clear malfunction of a device, under warranty, the failure of which
posed risk to life and limb.
Your admonition to RTFM seems inappropriate. The OP clearly did read
the owner's manual. He explained clearly why the oversight occurred.
The accident happened secondary to FAILURE of a device that is
designed SPECIFICALLY to protect against inevitable operator
oversight. There is no other reason that it exists.
This one's on Honda

>Casey wrote:
>>
>> Okay, so it was late at night and I should have realized what I was
>> doing, but...
>>
>> I drove up in my (almost level) driveway last night, turned off the
>> ignition of my almost-new 2003 Accord V6 Coupe, took out the key,
>> and got out. As I was walking up the steps of my house, I heard a
>> loud noise. I turned around to see what it was.. and realized my
>> car wasn't in the driveway anymore. It had rolled out the
>> driveway, across the street, and backed itself into a small pine
>> tree in my neighbor's yard.
>>
>> The end result is a leaning tree and a scraped-off bare spot the
>> size of my fist on the lower part of the plastic bumper. I don't
>> know if it can be repaired or if the whole plastic part has to be
>> replaced. The spot really shows since the car is white.
>>
>> Although I should have put the car park, the key easily came out
>> while the transmission selector was in "Drive". I've done the same
>> thing before, but realized the car was rolling before I got out. I
>> can remove the key and insert the key while in "D", which the
>> owner's manual clearly says you can't do. The key can be on
>> (engine running), the transmission in drive, and I can simply twist
>> the key and remove with no trouble at all.
>>
>> I couldn't do this when I first got the car. If the damn key
>> hadn't come out last night, my bumper would still look brand new.
>> Anybody else's ignition switch work this way (now)?
>>
>>
>> Casey
>>
>> I started with nothing. I still have most of it.

Ron

"Milleron" <millerdot90@SPAMlessosu.edu> wrote in message
news:klfvqv85h0n46a6scur4bqf4nd332ka4sd@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:54:31 GMT, MelvinGibson@mailcity.com wrote:
>
> >Apparently you didn't read the owners manual that came with your
> >2003 Accord V6 Coupe. If you had you would have applied the
> >parking brakes as suggested. Honda has a recall for that
> >problem, but the fact that the key can be removed when not in
> >park did not result in the car to rolling from its parking spot.
> >Not applying the brake did.
> >
> >
> >mike hunt
>
> I must disagree. If the original poster lives in a state that
> recognizes contributory negligence, then he *might* have to bear some
> of the responsibility, but even there, the accident resulted from a
> clear malfunction of a device, under warranty, the failure of which
> posed risk to life and limb.
> Your admonition to RTFM seems inappropriate. The OP clearly did read
> the owner's manual. He explained clearly why the oversight occurred.
> The accident happened secondary to FAILURE of a device that is
> designed SPECIFICALLY to protect against inevitable operator
> oversight. There is no other reason that it exists.
> This one's on Honda

It is not Hondas fault the OP is negligent and forgetful, in other words a
blundering fool. These sorts of things are _not_ inevitable, in fact most
people will never do what the OP did. Back in the '60s and earlier when
these devices didn't exist would it be Mercury's fault if your '67 Cougar
rolled over some children after you got out of the car and left it in drive,
not setting the brake? Of course not. Just because an auto maker tries to
protect you from your own stupid self doesn't make it their fault if their
'protect you from yourself' device fails. If you placed that same '67 Cougar
in park and set the parking brake and somehow the parking brake released or
the cable snapped _and_ the pawl in the transmission snapped it would then
be Mercury's fault.

Again, this was a case of someone doing something stupid... We all do stupid
things in our lives, some worse than others. What I don't understand is what
is so hard about taking responsibility for your own actions. I mean
honestly, Honda has no fault in this... This is between the OP and gravity,
but guess what, it's not gravity's fault that the OP didn't secure his car
properly before leaving it. Grow up and take some responsibility for your
own actions.

Cory

"Milleron" <millerdot90@SPAMlessosu.edu> wrote in message
news:klfvqv85h0n46a6scur4bqf4nd332ka4sd@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:54:31 GMT, MelvinGibson@mailcity.com wrote:
>
> >Apparently you didn't read the owners manual that came with your
> >2003 Accord V6 Coupe. If you had you would have applied the
> >parking brakes as suggested. Honda has a recall for that
> >problem, but the fact that the key can be removed when not in
> >park did not result in the car to rolling from its parking spot.
> >Not applying the brake did.
> >
> >
> >mike hunt
>
> I must disagree. If the original poster lives in a state that
> recognizes contributory negligence, then he *might* have to bear some
> of the responsibility, but even there, the accident resulted from a
> clear malfunction of a device, under warranty, the failure of which
> posed risk to life and limb.
> Your admonition to RTFM seems inappropriate. The OP clearly did read
> the owner's manual. He explained clearly why the oversight occurred.
> The accident happened secondary to FAILURE of a device that is
> designed SPECIFICALLY to protect against inevitable operator
> oversight. There is no other reason that it exists.
> This one's on Honda
>

This is incredible! The OP should wake up to the fact that he made an
bewilderingly stupid series of errors and be thankful the only consequence
was some paint damage, instead he is looking to blame the vehicle makers.

>
> This is incredible! The OP should wake up to the fact that he made an
> bewilderingly stupid series of errors and be thankful the only consequence
> was some paint damage, instead he is looking to blame the vehicle makers.
>
Well... It is the 'American way'...

Rick