Honda Car Forum

dimmi wrote:

> RR to me always meant ReaR
> FR - FRont (sometimes they screw it and FR means front right, but nevermind
> them)
> R - RIGHT
> L- LEFT
>
> I encoded the sequence in this manner so that it doesn't matter whether your
> car has steering wheel on the right or left side.
> It is pretty dangerous to refer "driver's" or "passenger's" 'cause you never
> know what country the other poster is from, how freaky his vehicle is, etc.
> ...and of course I assumed you are from Australia, therefore I did not use
> your terminology, instead I used something more common to eliminate
> intercontinental misunderstanding (RR, FR, R, L). Did not work though...

If the steering wheel is reversed, i.e., RHD instead of LDH, wouldn't
the bleeding procedure be reversed also?

No, it will stay the same, given that all brake system (routing of the brake
lines)is the same. Which I am almost 99% sure - it wouldn't make sense for
Honda to make 2 or 3 or more sets of the brake lines depending on what
country this model is going to be sold at.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Where is the brake booster on RHD Hondas? If look at the front of the
vehicle, is it on your right, same side where the timing belt is?

"Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
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> dimmi wrote:
>
> > RR to me always meant ReaR
> > FR - FRont (sometimes they screw it and FR means front right, but
nevermind
> > them)
> > R - RIGHT
> > L- LEFT
> >
> > I encoded the sequence in this manner so that it doesn't matter whether
your
> > car has steering wheel on the right or left side.
> > It is pretty dangerous to refer "driver's" or "passenger's" 'cause you
never
> > know what country the other poster is from, how freaky his vehicle is,
etc.
> > ...and of course I assumed you are from Australia, therefore I did not
use
> > your terminology, instead I used something more common to eliminate
> > intercontinental misunderstanding (RR, FR, R, L). Did not work though...
>
> If the steering wheel is reversed, i.e., RHD instead of LDH, wouldn't
> the bleeding procedure be reversed also?
>

Looking from the front of a RHD Honda Civic, the brake booster is located on
the left hand side. The timing belt is located on the right hand side of
the motor.


"dimmi" <someone@new.rr.com> wrote in message
news:s5blb.53717$%C5.15343@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> No, it will stay the same, given that all brake system (routing of the
brake
> lines)is the same. Which I am almost 99% sure - it wouldn't make sense for
> Honda to make 2 or 3 or more sets of the brake lines depending on what
> country this model is going to be sold at.
> Correct me if I am wrong.
> Where is the brake booster on RHD Hondas? If look at the front of the
> vehicle, is it on your right, same side where the timing belt is?
>
> "Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:Y_6lb.8625$6j.513808@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net. ..
> > dimmi wrote:
> >
> > > RR to me always meant ReaR
> > > FR - FRont (sometimes they screw it and FR means front right, but
> nevermind
> > > them)
> > > R - RIGHT
> > > L- LEFT
> > >
> > > I encoded the sequence in this manner so that it doesn't matter
whether
> your
> > > car has steering wheel on the right or left side.
> > > It is pretty dangerous to refer "driver's" or "passenger's" 'cause you
> never
> > > know what country the other poster is from, how freaky his vehicle is,
> etc.
> > > ...and of course I assumed you are from Australia, therefore I did not
> use
> > > your terminology, instead I used something more common to eliminate
> > > intercontinental misunderstanding (RR, FR, R, L). Did not work
though...
> >
> > If the steering wheel is reversed, i.e., RHD instead of LDH, wouldn't
> > the bleeding procedure be reversed also?
> >
>
>

dimmi wrote:

> No, it will stay the same, given that all brake system (routing of the brake
> lines)is the same.

I was thinking that this would be different, making the bleeding
procedure different (probably reversed).

> Which I am almost 99% sure - it wouldn't make sense for
> Honda to make 2 or 3 or more sets of the brake lines depending on what
> country this model is going to be sold at.

If a manufacturer moves the steering wheel to the opposite side, I think
a lot of things would change. Parts vary by country to meet emission &
noise regs. OTOH, I can certainly understand wanting to minimize the no.
of parts that have to be inventoried.

Gus <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> melodiously murmured in
news:lQklb.29390$6j.3705076@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t:

>
> If a manufacturer moves the steering wheel to the opposite side, I
> think a lot of things would change. Parts vary by country to meet
> emission & noise regs. OTOH, I can certainly understand wanting to
> minimize the no. of parts that have to be inventoried.
>
>


What I always found funny was how even though the driving position can be
on either side of the car, the pedals are always exactly the same
regardless of where the driver sits.

Therefore, in a LHD car, the gas is up against the transmission tunnel. In
a RHD car, it's up against the driver's door, still operated by the right
foot. Freaky, huh?

--
TeGGeR®

After melbourne wrote that his Booster is on the left hand side I tought
Whoa, that might mess everything up.
I went to online Honda UK service manuals at
http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/workshopmanuals2.html

British models have absolutely the same bleeding sequence to my greatest
surprise!!!
RR R
FR L
RR L
FR R

It is still unknown how brake lines (eg their length) is different between
RHD and LHD Hondas.

Dimmi

"Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
news:lQklb.29390$6j.3705076@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t...
> dimmi wrote:
>
> > No, it will stay the same, given that all brake system (routing of the
brake
> > lines)is the same.
>
> I was thinking that this would be different, making the bleeding
> procedure different (probably reversed).
>
> > Which I am almost 99% sure - it wouldn't make sense for
> > Honda to make 2 or 3 or more sets of the brake lines depending on what
> > country this model is going to be sold at.
>
> If a manufacturer moves the steering wheel to the opposite side, I think
> a lot of things would change. Parts vary by country to meet emission &
> noise regs. OTOH, I can certainly understand wanting to minimize the no.
> of parts that have to be inventoried.
>

"dimmi" <someone@new.rr.com> melodiously murmured in
news:8Solb.60912$pg7.43180@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:

> After melbourne wrote that his Booster is on the left hand side I
> tought Whoa, that might mess everything up.
> I went to online Honda UK service manuals at
> http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/workshopmanuals2.html
>
> British models have absolutely the same bleeding sequence to my
> greatest surprise!!!
> RR R
> FR L
> RR L
> FR R
>
> It is still unknown how brake lines (eg their length) is different
> between RHD and LHD Hondas.


Chances are the lines are identical after the proportioning valve, which is
likely in the same place for both versions.

--
TeGGeR®

The brake booster is always directly behind the brake pedal.

The bleeding order has more to do with which circuit is connected to the
front of the master cylinder and which is connected to the rear or it. So
it really would not be a big deal to swap the circuits. The two connections
are only about 3 inches apart at the master cylinder. In any event you
would still be bleeding a rear followed by the opposite front, then the
other rear followed by the opposite front.

On 10/21/03 7:05 PM, in article XRjlb.19$CE3.898@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au,
"melbourne" <jjjjj@jjjjjjjjj.jjjj> wrote:

> Looking from the front of a RHD Honda Civic, the brake booster is located on
> the left hand side. The timing belt is located on the right hand side of
> the motor.
>
>
> "dimmi" <someone@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:s5blb.53717$%C5.15343@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> No, it will stay the same, given that all brake system (routing of the
> brake
>> lines)is the same. Which I am almost 99% sure - it wouldn't make sense for
>> Honda to make 2 or 3 or more sets of the brake lines depending on what
>> country this model is going to be sold at.
>> Correct me if I am wrong.
>> Where is the brake booster on RHD Hondas? If look at the front of the
>> vehicle, is it on your right, same side where the timing belt is?
>>
>> "Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:Y_6lb.8625$6j.513808@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net. ..
>>> dimmi wrote:
>>>
>>>> RR to me always meant ReaR
>>>> FR - FRont (sometimes they screw it and FR means front right, but
>> nevermind
>>>> them)
>>>> R - RIGHT
>>>> L- LEFT
>>>>
>>>> I encoded the sequence in this manner so that it doesn't matter
> whether
>> your
>>>> car has steering wheel on the right or left side.
>>>> It is pretty dangerous to refer "driver's" or "passenger's" 'cause you
>> never
>>>> know what country the other poster is from, how freaky his vehicle is,
>> etc.
>>>> ...and of course I assumed you are from Australia, therefore I did not
>> use
>>>> your terminology, instead I used something more common to eliminate
>>>> intercontinental misunderstanding (RR, FR, R, L). Did not work
> though...
>>>
>>> If the steering wheel is reversed, i.e., RHD instead of LDH, wouldn't
>>> the bleeding procedure be reversed also?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Tegger® wrote:

> Gus <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> melodiously murmured in
> news:lQklb.29390$6j.3705076@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t:
>
>>If a manufacturer moves the steering wheel to the opposite side, I
>>think a lot of things would change. Parts vary by country to meet
>>emission & noise regs. OTOH, I can certainly understand wanting to
>>minimize the no. of parts that have to be inventoried.
>
> What I always found funny was how even though the driving position can be
> on either side of the car, the pedals are always exactly the same
> regardless of where the driver sits.
>
> Therefore, in a LHD car, the gas is up against the transmission tunnel. In
> a RHD car, it's up against the driver's door, still operated by the right
> foot. Freaky, huh?

Hmm, yes. I guess they assume (or determined) that drivers can more
easily learn to shift with their opposite hands (thinking manual trans
here) than step on the gas with their opposite foot. Be interesting to
hear from some automotive engineers on this.

well, maybe it is just a matter of changing lines that go to the pressure
valve.

"Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
news:lQklb.29390$6j.3705076@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t...
> dimmi wrote:
>
> > No, it will stay the same, given that all brake system (routing of the
brake
> > lines)is the same.
>
> I was thinking that this would be different, making the bleeding
> procedure different (probably reversed).
>
> > Which I am almost 99% sure - it wouldn't make sense for
> > Honda to make 2 or 3 or more sets of the brake lines depending on what
> > country this model is going to be sold at.
>
> If a manufacturer moves the steering wheel to the opposite side, I think
> a lot of things would change. Parts vary by country to meet emission &
> noise regs. OTOH, I can certainly understand wanting to minimize the no.
> of parts that have to be inventoried.
>