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I have a 5th Gen Prelude 1998, and am at the dealer having an Oil Change. They recommend I have the fuel filter replaced at a cost of 140.00. OUCH seems that I should be able to do this with a good Manual.

I hear the Chilton's is no good. Any Ideas ? How complicated would a fuel filter change be ?

On 8 Oct 2003 17:20:04 -0000, lcs Mixmaster Remailer <mix@anon.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:

>I have a 5th Gen Prelude 1998, and am at the dealer having an Oil Change. They recommend I have the fuel filter replaced at a cost of 140.00. OUCH seems that I should be able to do this with a good Manual.

<www.helminc.com> - not cheap but the best.

>I hear the Chilton's is no good. Any Ideas ? How complicated would a fuel filter change be ?

It's not "complicated" but it can be a bitch to get to unless you have
exactly the right tools. For recent models, you need to hold the filter
with one wrench and use a line wrench to get the flare joint off the bottom
of the filter... the flare joint joint "nut" can be very tough to loosen if
there is any sign of corrosion and there is not much room for rotating the
wrench - definitely a good chance of skinned knuckles. It'd probably be a
good idea to remove the rubber air intake tube to make more room.

The banjo union on top can also be stubborn to loosen but at least it's
more accessible. Good luck with it.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com (George Macdonald) wrote in message news:<3f854a5c.2913869@news.tellurian.com>...
> On 8 Oct 2003 17:20:04 -0000, lcs Mixmaster Remailer <mix@anon.lcs.mit.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >I have a 5th Gen Prelude 1998, and am at the dealer having an Oil Change. They recommend I have the fuel filter replaced at a cost of 140.00. OUCH seems that I should be able to do this with a good Manual.
>
> <www.helminc.com> - not cheap but the best.
>
> >I hear the Chilton's is no good. Any Ideas ? How complicated would a fuel filter change be ?
>
> It's not "complicated" but it can be a bitch to get to unless you have
> exactly the right tools. For recent models, you need to hold the filter
> with one wrench and use a line wrench to get the flare joint off the bottom
> of the filter... the flare joint joint "nut" can be very tough to loosen if
> there is any sign of corrosion and there is not much room for rotating the
> wrench - definitely a good chance of skinned knuckles. It'd probably be a
> good idea to remove the rubber air intake tube to make more room.
>
> The banjo union on top can also be stubborn to loosen but at least it's
> more accessible. Good luck with it.
>
> Rgds, George Macdonald
>
> "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

I highly recommend the Honda shop manuals which are available through
the parts department at your dealer. They are not cheap but will pay
for themselves very quickly if you do your own maintenance and
repairs. They are model specific but tend to cover a number of years.
Some cars, like my 1998 Accord EX V6, require two manuals. There is
one manual for all Accords plus a supplementary manual that covers
everthing that is different for the V6 option. I think that the pair
cost me about Cdn$200 but my memory is not to be trusted these days.

Harold
Winnipeg, Canada

Harold, the Honda manual is published by helm, which George mentioned.

"Harold Kroeker" <harold.kroeker@mts.net> wrote in message
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> fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com (George Macdonald) wrote in message
news:<3f854a5c.2913869@news.tellurian.com>...
> > On 8 Oct 2003 17:20:04 -0000, lcs Mixmaster Remailer
<mix@anon.lcs.mit.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I have a 5th Gen Prelude 1998, and am at the dealer having an Oil
Change. They recommend I have the fuel filter replaced at a cost of 140.00.
OUCH seems that I should be able to do this with a good Manual.
> >
> > <www.helminc.com> - not cheap but the best.
> >
> > >I hear the Chilton's is no good. Any Ideas ? How complicated would a
fuel filter change be ?
> >
> > It's not "complicated" but it can be a bitch to get to unless you have
> > exactly the right tools. For recent models, you need to hold the filter
> > with one wrench and use a line wrench to get the flare joint off the
bottom
> > of the filter... the flare joint joint "nut" can be very tough to loosen
if
> > there is any sign of corrosion and there is not much room for rotating
the
> > wrench - definitely a good chance of skinned knuckles. It'd probably be
a
> > good idea to remove the rubber air intake tube to make more room.
> >
> > The banjo union on top can also be stubborn to loosen but at least it's
> > more accessible. Good luck with it.
> >
> > Rgds, George Macdonald
> >
> > "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who,
me??
>
> I highly recommend the Honda shop manuals which are available through
> the parts department at your dealer. They are not cheap but will pay
> for themselves very quickly if you do your own maintenance and
> repairs. They are model specific but tend to cover a number of years.
> Some cars, like my 1998 Accord EX V6, require two manuals. There is
> one manual for all Accords plus a supplementary manual that covers
> everthing that is different for the V6 option. I think that the pair
> cost me about Cdn$200 but my memory is not to be trusted these days.
>
> Harold
> Winnipeg, Canada

lcs Mixmaster Remailer <mix@anon.lcs.mit.edu> wrote in message
news:20031008172004.30165.qmail@nym.alias.net...
> I have a 5th Gen Prelude 1998, and am at the dealer having an Oil Change.
They recommend I have the fuel filter replaced at a cost of 140.00. OUCH
seems that I should be able to do this with a good Manual.
>
> I hear the Chilton's is no good. Any Ideas ? How complicated would a fuel
filter change be ?
>

My 97-99 Prelude Service Manual (Helm) doesn't list any time or mileage for
replacing the fuel filter. Unless fuel pressure drops below 40-47psi with
the fuel pressure regulator vacuum hose disconnected and pinched (per the
manual) or you know you have contamination, why bother?

George hit the nail on the head with the bottom connection to the filter
being a bear. The manual shows a 14mm and 19mm "crowfoot" adapter being
used on the bottom (27 lb-ft) with just a regular 17mm socket on the top
banjo bolt (25lb-ft). They also recommend replacing the two washers on the
top fitting.

J.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:19:26 -0400, "J." <J@nobody.com> wrote:

>
>lcs Mixmaster Remailer <mix@anon.lcs.mit.edu> wrote in message
>news:20031008172004.30165.qmail@nym.alias.net.. .
>> I have a 5th Gen Prelude 1998, and am at the dealer having an Oil Change.
>They recommend I have the fuel filter replaced at a cost of 140.00. OUCH
>seems that I should be able to do this with a good Manual.
>>
>> I hear the Chilton's is no good. Any Ideas ? How complicated would a fuel
>filter change be ?
>>
>
>My 97-99 Prelude Service Manual (Helm) doesn't list any time or mileage for
>replacing the fuel filter. Unless fuel pressure drops below 40-47psi with
>the fuel pressure regulator vacuum hose disconnected and pinched (per the
>manual) or you know you have contamination, why bother?
>
>George hit the nail on the head with the bottom connection to the filter
>being a bear. The manual shows a 14mm and 19mm "crowfoot" adapter being
>used on the bottom (27 lb-ft) with just a regular 17mm socket on the top
>banjo bolt (25lb-ft). They also recommend replacing the two washers on the
>top fitting.

Is that two crowfoot "sockets" on the end of two rachets/extensions....
getting at things from under the car? Sounds messy and my Integra Helm
manual just shows what look like regular open end wrenches - doesn't look
like it can work to me. I've checked with a line wrench and there doesn't
seem to be more than 1/4" of available arc to turn before the wrench hits
some obstruction so the crowfoot may be the only way. Though there's no
recommended change on the fuel filter for my '99 Integra, I was figuring on
changing it at 60K miles anyway... more because if I leave it too long
it'll be more difficult to get off later if ever needed.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

> >lcs Mixmaster Remailer <mix@anon.lcs.mit.edu> wrote in message
> >news:20031008172004.30165.qmail@nym.alias.net.. .
> >> I have a 5th Gen Prelude 1998, and am at the dealer having an Oil
Change.
> >They recommend I have the fuel filter replaced at a cost of 140.00. OUCH
> >seems that I should be able to do this with a good Manual.
> >>
> >> I hear the Chilton's is no good. Any Ideas ? How complicated would a
fuel
> >filter change be ?
> >>


> >On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:19:26 -0400, "J." <J@nobody.com> wrote:
> >My 97-99 Prelude Service Manual (Helm) doesn't list any time or mileage
for
> >replacing the fuel filter. Unless fuel pressure drops below 40-47psi
with
> >the fuel pressure regulator vacuum hose disconnected and pinched (per the
> >manual) or you know you have contamination, why bother?
> >
> >George hit the nail on the head with the bottom connection to the filter
> >being a bear. The manual shows a 14mm and 19mm "crowfoot" adapter being
> >used on the bottom (27 lb-ft) with just a regular 17mm socket on the top
> >banjo bolt (25lb-ft). They also recommend replacing the two washers on
the
> >top fitting.
>

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
news:ut1fov0q0onnc2o14s3i96088rpvs8n7sf@4ax.com
> Is that two crowfoot "sockets" on the end of two rachets/extensions....
> getting at things from under the car? Sounds messy and my Integra Helm
> manual just shows what look like regular open end wrenches - doesn't look
> like it can work to me. I've checked with a line wrench and there doesn't
> seem to be more than 1/4" of available arc to turn before the wrench hits
> some obstruction so the crowfoot may be the only way. Though there's no
> recommended change on the fuel filter for my '99 Integra, I was figuring
on
> changing it at 60K miles anyway... more because if I leave it too long
> it'll be more difficult to get off later if ever needed.
>
> Rgds, George Macdonald
>
> "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who,
me??

George,

The manual shows a 19mm crowfoot adapter at the end of a ratchet extension
to support the filter (from under the car for the lower connection and of
course from above for the upper connection.

The lower fitting apparently then also uses a 14mm "Flare nut" crowfoot
adapter (same as a crowfoot adapter???) at the end of a second ratchet
extension, again from under the car.

The Prelude filter sits at about a 45 degree angle. I don't see how they
get to it from under the car due to steering and structural members being in
the way. Maybe that part is just artistic license.

J.

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:23:39 -0400, "J." <J@nobody.com> wrote:

<<snip>>

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
>news:ut1fov0q0onnc2o14s3i96088rpvs8n7sf@4ax.com
>> Is that two crowfoot "sockets" on the end of two rachets/extensions....
>> getting at things from under the car? Sounds messy and my Integra Helm
>> manual just shows what look like regular open end wrenches - doesn't look
>> like it can work to me. I've checked with a line wrench and there doesn't
>> seem to be more than 1/4" of available arc to turn before the wrench hits
>> some obstruction so the crowfoot may be the only way. Though there's no
>> recommended change on the fuel filter for my '99 Integra, I was figuring
>on
>> changing it at 60K miles anyway... more because if I leave it too long
>> it'll be more difficult to get off later if ever needed.

>George,
>
>The manual shows a 19mm crowfoot adapter at the end of a ratchet extension
>to support the filter (from under the car for the lower connection and of
>course from above for the upper connection.
>
>The lower fitting apparently then also uses a 14mm "Flare nut" crowfoot
>adapter (same as a crowfoot adapter???) at the end of a second ratchet
>extension, again from under the car.
>
>The Prelude filter sits at about a 45 degree angle. I don't see how they
>get to it from under the car due to steering and structural members being in
>the way. Maybe that part is just artistic license.

Thanks. Sounds like maybe a wobble-end extension would come in handy there
too - something else I haven't added to my toolkit yet.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??