Honda Car Forum

Hi all,

I have a few questions:

I need to change the Time-Belt for for my car
[1990 Honda Accord, Auto Trans, 4 cyl, 145K]

I have been told that it would take $510 to change it from Firestone
(timebelt + waterpump) and Rob'e Man charges around 650$ for the same
job.

Q1: Is getting the timebelt changed a very delicate job? I mean, if I
get it changed from either or these 2, would it by any chance cause
any side-effects such as leaks etc? Currently my car is in a pretty
good shape.. so I am just scared that it should be fine later too ..
after changing the time-belt!

Q2: Which one of the 2 would u suggest, Firestone or Rob'e Man ? Also
PLEASE let me know if they are any other good reliable mechanics
available (around Birmingham, Alabama)

Q3: While they change the time-belt and water-pump, is there anything
else I should ask them to change too?

Q4: Recently I also did a tune up for my car, and I did that from one
of the cheaper mechanics. He was suggested by a friend, and was
supposed to be reliable so I had gone to him.. But later I found out
that he had replaced the transmission fluid of my car with a pretty
cheap quality transmission fluid (because he got the fluid from a
one-dollar shop). My question is ... does the quality of the
transmission fluid affect the performance of the car. And if so then
how much ? Would you suggest that I change it again ?

Thanks in advance!!

"QGoogle" wrote

> I need to change the Time-Belt for for my car
> [1990 Honda Accord, Auto Trans, 4 cyl, 145K]
>
> I have been told that it would take $510 to change it from Firestone
> (timebelt + waterpump) and Rob'e Man charges around 650$ for the same
> job.

For a job like that, I'd want a Honda dealer to do it. My dealer charged a
lot less than what you're citing (I don't have the dollar amount here),
although my car is a '97 Civic. Maybe the job for an Accord cost more.

On 2 Oct 2003 13:39:46 -0700, qgoogle@hotmail.com (QGoogle) wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I have a few questions:
>
>I need to change the Time-Belt for for my car
>[1990 Honda Accord, Auto Trans, 4 cyl, 145K]
>
>I have been told that it would take $510 to change it from Firestone
>(timebelt + waterpump) and Rob'e Man charges around 650$ for the same
>job.
>
>Q1: Is getting the timebelt changed a very delicate job? I mean, if I
>get it changed from either or these 2, would it by any chance cause
>any side-effects such as leaks etc? Currently my car is in a pretty
>good shape.. so I am just scared that it should be fine later too ..
>after changing the time-belt!

It's tricky enough that you want the job done by someone with good
experience of working on Hondas.

>Q2: Which one of the 2 would u suggest, Firestone or Rob'e Man ? Also
>PLEASE let me know if they are any other good reliable mechanics
>available (around Birmingham, Alabama)

This not the kind of job to assign to a franchise chain shop - others have
had problems and if things go wrong the result could be catastrophic. I'd
suggest trying to find a good independent shop which specializes in
Hondas... either that or a Honda dealer. You do not want to cheap out on
this job.

>Q3: While they change the time-belt and water-pump, is there anything
>else I should ask them to change too?

Obviously all the other belts have to come off too so replace them and
maybe the crankshaft and camshaft end seals if they have not been changed
before. The belt tensioner should also be checked or replaced.

>Q4: Recently I also did a tune up for my car, and I did that from one
>of the cheaper mechanics. He was suggested by a friend, and was
>supposed to be reliable so I had gone to him.. But later I found out
>that he had replaced the transmission fluid of my car with a pretty
>cheap quality transmission fluid (because he got the fluid from a
>one-dollar shop). My question is ... does the quality of the
>transmission fluid affect the performance of the car. And if so then
>how much ? Would you suggest that I change it again ?

The correct trans fluid is very important - Honda auto-trans uses a
completely different system from any other make of vehicle and the Honda
brand fluid is recommended for a reason.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

I don;t necessarily think that it needs to be a Honda dealer, but
definitely someone who has experience with Hondas. Ask...ask about the
seals, how he intends to do the job, how many he has done. It's your
car and your livelihood at stake, after all. When I get mine done that
will be the case because I do not intend to do it myself.

As far as the transmission fluid goes, I was told by one of the larger
online Honda parts dealers, whose name we all know here, that you can
also use full synthetic transmission fluid with the same advantages as
Honda fluid (smoother shifts, especially when cold, and possibly
longer trans life).

Also, whomsover you choose to do this job, please make sure that they
use a silicate-free coolant when they refill the system after the belt
and pump change. Silicate-based coolants can significantly reduce the
life of the water pump bearing.

Bob


On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:45:42 GMT, fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com
(George Macdonald) wrote:

>On 2 Oct 2003 13:39:46 -0700, qgoogle@hotmail.com (QGoogle) wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I have a few questions:
>>
>>I need to change the Time-Belt for for my car
>>[1990 Honda Accord, Auto Trans, 4 cyl, 145K]
>>
>>I have been told that it would take $510 to change it from Firestone
>>(timebelt + waterpump) and Rob'e Man charges around 650$ for the same
>>job.
>>
>>Q1: Is getting the timebelt changed a very delicate job? I mean, if I
>>get it changed from either or these 2, would it by any chance cause
>>any side-effects such as leaks etc? Currently my car is in a pretty
>>good shape.. so I am just scared that it should be fine later too ..
>>after changing the time-belt!
>
>It's tricky enough that you want the job done by someone with good
>experience of working on Hondas.
>
>>Q2: Which one of the 2 would u suggest, Firestone or Rob'e Man ? Also
>>PLEASE let me know if they are any other good reliable mechanics
>>available (around Birmingham, Alabama)
>
>This not the kind of job to assign to a franchise chain shop - others have
>had problems and if things go wrong the result could be catastrophic. I'd
>suggest trying to find a good independent shop which specializes in
>Hondas... either that or a Honda dealer. You do not want to cheap out on
>this job.
>
>>Q3: While they change the time-belt and water-pump, is there anything
>>else I should ask them to change too?
>
>Obviously all the other belts have to come off too so replace them and
>maybe the crankshaft and camshaft end seals if they have not been changed
>before. The belt tensioner should also be checked or replaced.
>
>>Q4: Recently I also did a tune up for my car, and I did that from one
>>of the cheaper mechanics. He was suggested by a friend, and was
>>supposed to be reliable so I had gone to him.. But later I found out
>>that he had replaced the transmission fluid of my car with a pretty
>>cheap quality transmission fluid (because he got the fluid from a
>>one-dollar shop). My question is ... does the quality of the
>>transmission fluid affect the performance of the car. And if so then
>>how much ? Would you suggest that I change it again ?
>
>The correct trans fluid is very important - Honda auto-trans uses a
>completely different system from any other make of vehicle and the Honda
>brand fluid is recommended for a reason.
>
>Rgds, George Macdonald
>
>"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Howard Lester wrote:
>
> "QGoogle" wrote
>
> > I need to change the Time-Belt for for my car
> > [1990 Honda Accord, Auto Trans, 4 cyl, 145K]
> >
> > I have been told that it would take $510 to change it from Firestone
> > (timebelt + waterpump) and Rob'e Man charges around 650$ for the same
> > job.
>
> For a job like that, I'd want a Honda dealer to do it. My dealer charged a
> lot less than what you're citing (I don't have the dollar amount here),
> although my car is a '97 Civic. Maybe the job for an Accord cost more.

PARAGON HONDA THE SCUM OF THE EARTH wants $750 for the job.

I had it done for $480 by a private mechanice who does a lot of Hondas.

NEVER go to the dealer unless you MUST to keep your warranty.

--


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Yes, so many details that you need to keep in mind. The best thing to do
it's take it to a Honda shop, I am sure you can find a few on the yellow
pages.


"Bob" <Bob@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:kt5rnvodqitbm9p23vii6le8fg2qfiokba@4ax.com...
> I don;t necessarily think that it needs to be a Honda dealer, but
> definitely someone who has experience with Hondas. Ask...ask about the
> seals, how he intends to do the job, how many he has done. It's your
> car and your livelihood at stake, after all. When I get mine done that
> will be the case because I do not intend to do it myself.
>
> As far as the transmission fluid goes, I was told by one of the larger
> online Honda parts dealers, whose name we all know here, that you can
> also use full synthetic transmission fluid with the same advantages as
> Honda fluid (smoother shifts, especially when cold, and possibly
> longer trans life).
>
> Also, whomsover you choose to do this job, please make sure that they
> use a silicate-free coolant when they refill the system after the belt
> and pump change. Silicate-based coolants can significantly reduce the
> life of the water pump bearing.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:45:42 GMT, fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com
> (George Macdonald) wrote:
>
> >On 2 Oct 2003 13:39:46 -0700, qgoogle@hotmail.com (QGoogle) wrote:
> >
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I have a few questions:
> >>
> >>I need to change the Time-Belt for for my car
> >>[1990 Honda Accord, Auto Trans, 4 cyl, 145K]
> >>
> >>I have been told that it would take $510 to change it from Firestone
> >>(timebelt + waterpump) and Rob'e Man charges around 650$ for the same
> >>job.
> >>
> >>Q1: Is getting the timebelt changed a very delicate job? I mean, if I
> >>get it changed from either or these 2, would it by any chance cause
> >>any side-effects such as leaks etc? Currently my car is in a pretty
> >>good shape.. so I am just scared that it should be fine later too ..
> >>after changing the time-belt!
> >
> >It's tricky enough that you want the job done by someone with good
> >experience of working on Hondas.
> >
> >>Q2: Which one of the 2 would u suggest, Firestone or Rob'e Man ? Also
> >>PLEASE let me know if they are any other good reliable mechanics
> >>available (around Birmingham, Alabama)
> >
> >This not the kind of job to assign to a franchise chain shop - others
have
> >had problems and if things go wrong the result could be catastrophic.
I'd
> >suggest trying to find a good independent shop which specializes in
> >Hondas... either that or a Honda dealer. You do not want to cheap out on
> >this job.
> >
> >>Q3: While they change the time-belt and water-pump, is there anything
> >>else I should ask them to change too?
> >
> >Obviously all the other belts have to come off too so replace them and
> >maybe the crankshaft and camshaft end seals if they have not been changed
> >before. The belt tensioner should also be checked or replaced.
> >
> >>Q4: Recently I also did a tune up for my car, and I did that from one
> >>of the cheaper mechanics. He was suggested by a friend, and was
> >>supposed to be reliable so I had gone to him.. But later I found out
> >>that he had replaced the transmission fluid of my car with a pretty
> >>cheap quality transmission fluid (because he got the fluid from a
> >>one-dollar shop). My question is ... does the quality of the
> >>transmission fluid affect the performance of the car. And if so then
> >>how much ? Would you suggest that I change it again ?
> >
> >The correct trans fluid is very important - Honda auto-trans uses a
> >completely different system from any other make of vehicle and the Honda
> >brand fluid is recommended for a reason.
> >
> >Rgds, George Macdonald
> >
> >"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who,
me??
>

>
> As far as the transmission fluid goes, I was told by one of the larger
> online Honda parts dealers, whose name we all know here, that you can
> also use full synthetic transmission fluid with the same advantages as
> Honda fluid (smoother shifts, especially when cold, and possibly
> longer trans life).

I tried Mobil-1 ATF in my 99 Accord. Shifting was smoother for while
(probably because the factory fill fluid had deteriorated after 50,000
miles. But after 10,000 miles shifting became harsh. So I changed the fluid
again, this time using genuine Honda fluid. It's expensive ($4.25/qt) but
the improvement in shift quality and smoothness was substantial.

Honda does approve of DEXRON ATF as a temporary substitute, but you'll get
better performance with genuine Honda fluid.

Amsoil Synthetic ATF carries the Honda Specifications.

Improves fuel efficiency, reduces transmission temperatures and
increases transmission life. Provides unsurpassed thermal stability
and up to five times the service life of conventional ATFs. Delivers
maximum protection for towing and other severe-duty applications.

For DEXRON®III, MERCON®, Ford M2C138-CJ, Ford M2C166-H and Chrysler
ATF Plus, MS-7176B Applications.
__________________________________________________ _____________________________

Recommended for use in applications requiring Honda Z-1 transmission
fluids.

Use where ATF is recommended in Mobile or Stationary Hydraulic and
Power Steering units.

Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications:

GM Dexron II, Dexron III
Ford Mercon, Mercon V
Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4
Mitsubishi Diamond SP II & III
Allison C-3 & C-4 and TES-295
Caterpillar Powershift Transmission TO-2 & TO-3
Voith Commercial Transmissions
GM Strasbourg (European Imports) and Opel
Applications requiring Honda Z-1 transmission fluids
Toyota Type T and T-IV
__________________________________________________ __________________

www.synthetic-solutions.com

Thankyou for all the feedback!
I did contact 2 Honda dealers around here...
Roebuck charges around $600 for the time-belt + waterpump change and
Tameron Honda charges $385 for the same job. So I have decided to go
for Tameron. Any idea why theres such a big difference in the service
charge offered by these 2 dealers?? Makes me think if I should really
go for the cheaper option :S
Both of them are authorized Honda dealers (the only 2) in Birmingham
AL.
Thanks!



dreid@synthetic-solutions.com (David Reid) wrote in message news:<b8dff5d7.0310050502.7bdfd682@posting.google. com>...
> Amsoil Synthetic ATF carries the Honda Specifications.
>
> Improves fuel efficiency, reduces transmission temperatures and
> increases transmission life. Provides unsurpassed thermal stability
> and up to five times the service life of conventional ATFs. Delivers
> maximum protection for towing and other severe-duty applications.
>
> For DEXRON®III, MERCON®, Ford M2C138-CJ, Ford M2C166-H and Chrysler
> ATF Plus, MS-7176B Applications.
> __________________________________________________ _____________________________
>
> Recommended for use in applications requiring Honda Z-1 transmission
> fluids.
>
> Use where ATF is recommended in Mobile or Stationary Hydraulic and
> Power Steering units.
>
> Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications:
>
> GM Dexron II, Dexron III
> Ford Mercon, Mercon V
> Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4
> Mitsubishi Diamond SP II & III
> Allison C-3 & C-4 and TES-295
> Caterpillar Powershift Transmission TO-2 & TO-3
> Voith Commercial Transmissions
> GM Strasbourg (European Imports) and Opel
> Applications requiring Honda Z-1 transmission fluids
> Toyota Type T and T-IV
> __________________________________________________ __________________
>
> www.synthetic-solutions.com

On 7 Oct 2003 13:36:29 -0700, qgoogle@hotmail.com (QGoogle) wrote:

>Thankyou for all the feedback!
>I did contact 2 Honda dealers around here...
>Roebuck charges around $600 for the time-belt + waterpump change and
>Tameron Honda charges $385 for the same job. So I have decided to go
>for Tameron. Any idea why theres such a big difference in the service
>charge offered by these 2 dealers?? Makes me think if I should really
>go for the cheaper option :S
>Both of them are authorized Honda dealers (the only 2) in Birmingham
>AL.

Many dealers add huge mark-ups to parts, some only in the service dept. -
IOW if the work is done there - others just gouge on all parts even at the
parts dept. Make sure, though, that the jobs cover the same work, i.e.
same belts replaced etc. It's also possible that the high priced one
includes a valve adjustment, even if you've just had it done a few K miles
before and new gaskets whether you need them or not.

>dreid@synthetic-solutions.com (David Reid) wrote in message news:<b8dff5d7.0310050502.7bdfd682@posting.google. com>...
>> Amsoil Synthetic ATF carries the Honda Specifications.
>>
>> Improves fuel efficiency, reduces transmission temperatures and
>> increases transmission life. Provides unsurpassed thermal stability
>> and up to five times the service life of conventional ATFs. Delivers
>> maximum protection for towing and other severe-duty applications.
>>
>> For DEXRON®III, MERCON®, Ford M2C138-CJ, Ford M2C166-H and Chrysler
>> ATF Plus, MS-7176B Applications.
>> __________________________________________________ _____________________________
>>
>> Recommended for use in applications requiring Honda Z-1 transmission
>> fluids.
>>
>> Use where ATF is recommended in Mobile or Stationary Hydraulic and
>> Power Steering units.
>>
>> Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications:
>>
>> GM Dexron II, Dexron III
>> Ford Mercon, Mercon V
>> Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4
>> Mitsubishi Diamond SP II & III
>> Allison C-3 & C-4 and TES-295
>> Caterpillar Powershift Transmission TO-2 & TO-3
>> Voith Commercial Transmissions
>> GM Strasbourg (European Imports) and Opel
>> Applications requiring Honda Z-1 transmission fluids
>> Toyota Type T and T-IV
>> __________________________________________________ __________________
>>
>> www.synthetic-solutions.com

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??