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Milleron,

It makes sense so they recommended for you Accord too? How about some kind
of study to see how does the oil or engine behave using this period?

Thanks

Hai
"Milleron" <millerdot90@SPAMlessosu.edu> wrote in message
news:jhs9mvg4lhiha5nnc9km6795dc1lfrjjmd@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:41:09 -0400, "Hai Pham"
> <haipham@netcarrier.com> wrote:
>
> >Why I should not change oil before 5K anyone knows? The brake fluid at
36K
> >is too early?
>
> I'm not an expert, but since this thread has gone on so long without a
> specific answer, I'll hazard a guess. Other folks on this forum have
> stated that the oil in your brand new Honda has an extremely high moly
> content specifically for the break-in period. I don't think they want
> you draining that oil out and replacing it with regular oil to soon.
> I took them at their word and didn't get my first oil change in my 03
> Accord until 5,100 miles.
>
>
> >"JDS" <jds010@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:rnZ8b.6106$z32.289@twister.austin.rr.com.. .
> >> You should use Honda fluids, except oil and brake fluid. I prefer to
use
> >all
> >> honda, it cost the same.
> >> Do not listen to the salesman, just take your owners manual and follow
it.
> >> Honda buids great cars, so they really know what they write on the
manual.
> >> But ater all, it's your car, you can use whatever you want; even you
don't
> >> have to change any fluids if you don't want to.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Old Bugger" <Fweem@attbi.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ffe3337.0309132137.2457505c@posting.google.co m...
> >> > "Hai Pham" <haipham@netcarrier.com> wrote in message
> >> news:<1nP8b.1505$mo1.136150073@news.netcarrier.net >...
> >> > > I bought my Honda CRV 03 last month. I was surprised that in the
> >manual
> >> and
> >> > > the dealer/salesman told me I can drive the CRV with constant speed
> >> during
> >> > > break in. He also asked do not change oil before 5K miles. Anyone
> >> understand
> >> > > why?
> >> > > I also read in the manual it recommend to change the brake fluid at
> >36K,
> >> it
> >> > > seems too early. Honda wants me to use Honda product even engine
oil.
> >> Two
> >> > > things they stress I have to use their products are automatic fluid
> >and
> >> > > coolant fluid. The even said in case I need to use other products I
> >need
> >> to
> >> > > drain it completely and put Honda product in !!!
> >> > >
> >> > > Hai
> >> >
> >> > I got a new Element last month and heard the same speech. Some of it
I
> >> > took with a grain of salt. I think I will go with their mileage
> >> > recommendations for lubrication, or a little sooner, but I won't
> >> > purchase the Honda lube and fluid products. That is just greed on the
> >> > part of an auto manufacture. Good quality oil and fluids are fine. On
> >> > sale, they are even better. It doesn't have to be a Honda name on
the
> >> > container to lube the engine and trans properly.
> >> >
> >> > Fweem on.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> Ron

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:34:58 -0400, "Hai Pham"
<haipham@netcarrier.com> wrote:

>Milleron,
>
>It makes sense so they recommended for you Accord too? How about some kind
>of study to see how does the oil or engine behave using this period?

I'm working on the assumption that the Honda engineers have done just
that and that their recommendations are based on their findings.

>Thanks
>
>Hai
>"Milleron" <millerdot90@SPAMlessosu.edu> wrote in message
>news:jhs9mvg4lhiha5nnc9km6795dc1lfrjjmd@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:41:09 -0400, "Hai Pham"
>> <haipham@netcarrier.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Why I should not change oil before 5K anyone knows? The brake fluid at
>36K
>> >is too early?
>>
>> I'm not an expert, but since this thread has gone on so long without a
>> specific answer, I'll hazard a guess. Other folks on this forum have
>> stated that the oil in your brand new Honda has an extremely high moly
>> content specifically for the break-in period. I don't think they want
>> you draining that oil out and replacing it with regular oil to soon.
>> I took them at their word and didn't get my first oil change in my 03
>> Accord until 5,100 miles.
>>
>>
>> >"JDS" <jds010@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >news:rnZ8b.6106$z32.289@twister.austin.rr.com.. .
>> >> You should use Honda fluids, except oil and brake fluid. I prefer to
>use
>> >all
>> >> honda, it cost the same.
>> >> Do not listen to the salesman, just take your owners manual and follow
>it.
>> >> Honda buids great cars, so they really know what they write on the
>manual.
>> >> But ater all, it's your car, you can use whatever you want; even you
>don't
>> >> have to change any fluids if you don't want to.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Old Bugger" <Fweem@attbi.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:ffe3337.0309132137.2457505c@posting.google.co m...
>> >> > "Hai Pham" <haipham@netcarrier.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:<1nP8b.1505$mo1.136150073@news.netcarrier.net >...
>> >> > > I bought my Honda CRV 03 last month. I was surprised that in the
>> >manual
>> >> and
>> >> > > the dealer/salesman told me I can drive the CRV with constant speed
>> >> during
>> >> > > break in. He also asked do not change oil before 5K miles. Anyone
>> >> understand
>> >> > > why?
>> >> > > I also read in the manual it recommend to change the brake fluid at
>> >36K,
>> >> it
>> >> > > seems too early. Honda wants me to use Honda product even engine
>oil.
>> >> Two
>> >> > > things they stress I have to use their products are automatic fluid
>> >and
>> >> > > coolant fluid. The even said in case I need to use other products I
>> >need
>> >> to
>> >> > > drain it completely and put Honda product in !!!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hai
>> >> >
>> >> > I got a new Element last month and heard the same speech. Some of it
>I
>> >> > took with a grain of salt. I think I will go with their mileage
>> >> > recommendations for lubrication, or a little sooner, but I won't
>> >> > purchase the Honda lube and fluid products. That is just greed on the
>> >> > part of an auto manufacture. Good quality oil and fluids are fine. On
>> >> > sale, they are even better. It doesn't have to be a Honda name on
>the
>> >> > container to lube the engine and trans properly.
>> >> >
>> >> > Fweem on.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> Ron
>

Ron

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:34:58 -0400, "Hai Pham" <haipham@netcarrier.com>
wrote:

>Milleron,
>
>It makes sense so they recommended for you Accord too? How about some kind
>of study to see how does the oil or engine behave using this period?

See here for the Audi take on this:
<http://forums.audiworld.com/tt/msgs/65043.phtml>.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

I work at a Honda dealer and I LOVE people who use non-Honda fluids and
parts. I make LOTS of money fixing their screw-ups!!



"Hai Pham" <haipham@netcarrier.com> wrote in message
news:1nP8b.1505$mo1.136150073@news.netcarrier.net. ..
> I bought my Honda CRV 03 last month. I was surprised that in the manual
and
> the dealer/salesman told me I can drive the CRV with constant speed during
> break in. He also asked do not change oil before 5K miles. Anyone
understand
> why?
> I also read in the manual it recommend to change the brake fluid at 36K,
it
> seems too early. Honda wants me to use Honda product even engine oil. Two
> things they stress I have to use their products are automatic fluid and
> coolant fluid. The even said in case I need to use other products I need
to
> drain it completely and put Honda product in !!!
>
> Hai
>
>

fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com (George Macdonald) wrote in message news:<3f675a6e.30896628@news.tellurian.com>...
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:34:58 -0400, "Hai Pham" <haipham@netcarrier.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Milleron,
> >
> >It makes sense so they recommended for you Accord too? How about some kind
> >of study to see how does the oil or engine behave using this period?
>
> See here for the Audi take on this:
> <http://forums.audiworld.com/tt/msgs/65043.phtml>.
>
> Rgds, George Macdonald
>
> "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

I just bought a 03 Odyseey EX and the manuals suggests somethinh like
7k miles before oil change and then just the oil but not the filter.
When I used to work on cars it was always filter and oil. Of course
the service dept suggest every 3k and to use Honda oil 5w 20. They
say the lighter oil is better? Espescailly when it is cold. I live
in San Diego so it doesnt really get cold.

"Hai Pham" <haipham@netcarrier.com> wrote in message news:<Tnr9b.1514$4p3.138246239@news.netcarrier.net >...
> Milleron,
>
> It makes sense so they recommended for you Accord too? How about some kind
> of study to see how does the oil or engine behave using this period?
>
> Thanks
>
> Hai

Hai,
Just such a place exists:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi

But PLEASE!! Do a number of searches for prior Honda results and
discussion before posting questions which have already been asked (and
answered) numerous times before. Check in the "Car & Truck gas engine"
section as well as the "Used Oil Analysis Gas Engines" section.

Lots and lots of info on Hondas, oil and break-in.

--- Bror Jace

kk4df@yahoo.com (Walter) wrote in message news:<81b52d69.0309140359.67fd698f@posting.google. com>...

> I suggest you read other forums and posts regarding at least Honda
> fluids for ATF, power steering, and coolant (and Dual Pump fluid if
> you have AWD). The Honda auto trans is not the same animal as other
> auto trans, and the type Z fluid does provide smoother shifting. Many
> who have tried generic power steering fluid have found that it attacks
> the Honda seals and causes them to leak. Most coolants have silicates
> and borates, which Honda coolant does not contain. These additives
> can cause premature failure of the water pump.
>
> Do what you want, but if you do, you take your chances. For me, when
> I look at the time and money spent on keeping a car well maintained,
> the increase to use certain Honda fluids is minimal. Now I do use
> other brands of oil and brake fluid, but be careful on substituting
> the ones listed above.

Walter's answer was just about perfect. I'd use Honda everything 'cept
motor oil and probably brake fluid.

Nearly all of the 5W20s have a great deal of moly and other barrier
wear additives in them. I particularly like Pennzoil and Chevron
Supreme. These should work as well or better than OEM Honda oil which
is supposedly Mobil Drive Clean and Drive Clean Blend.

--- Bror Jace

Bror Jace,

Thanks for your advice but I thought this is a place for discuss and ask
question, you have the option to ignore my email. You may be enable to do
more search than me but I may not.

Hai
"Bror Jace" <brorjace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Hai Pham" <haipham@netcarrier.com> wrote in message
news:<Tnr9b.1514$4p3.138246239@news.netcarrier.net >...
> > Milleron,
> >
> > It makes sense so they recommended for you Accord too? How about some
kind
> > of study to see how does the oil or engine behave using this period?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Hai
>
> Hai,
> Just such a place exists:
>
> http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
>
> But PLEASE!! Do a number of searches for prior Honda results and
> discussion before posting questions which have already been asked (and
> answered) numerous times before. Check in the "Car & Truck gas engine"
> section as well as the "Used Oil Analysis Gas Engines" section.
>
> Lots and lots of info on Hondas, oil and break-in.
>
> --- Bror Jace