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I love my Ohio built 95 Accord EX wagon. I've seen shots and specs of the
new Accord for JDM and Europe and wish they sold it here. What are the
chances of Honda ever selling wagons again in North America?

On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 02:56:59 GMT, "Mr. Grinch" <grinch@hatespam.yucky>
wrote:

>I love my Ohio built 95 Accord EX wagon. I've seen shots and specs of the
>new Accord for JDM and Europe and wish they sold it here. What are the
>chances of Honda ever selling wagons again in North America?

There are two different global platform variations for the current Accord -
see here <http://www.sae.org/automag/globalvehicles/04-2003/1-111-4-8b.pdf>
for some details mixed in with those for the Acura TSX - vs. three
different variations for the previous generation models. As you can see,
the wagon is a version of the Euro/Japan platform variation, so it would
seem that any Accord wagon would have to be imported, rather like the Acura
TSX is the Euro/Japan Accord Type S. I'd think the chances of that
happening are slim, especially since in N.A. the SUV rulez.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com (George Macdonald) wrote in
news:3f5850fc.79924062@news.tellurian.com:

> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 02:56:59 GMT, "Mr. Grinch" <grinch@hatespam.yucky>
> wrote:
>
>>I love my Ohio built 95 Accord EX wagon. I've seen shots and specs of
>>the new Accord for JDM and Europe and wish they sold it here. What
>>are the chances of Honda ever selling wagons again in North America?
>
> There are two different global platform variations for the current
> Accord - see here
> <http://www.sae.org/automag/globalvehicles/04-2003/1-111-4-8b.pdf> for
> some details mixed in with those for the Acura TSX - vs. three
> different variations for the previous generation models. As you can
> see, the wagon is a version of the Euro/Japan platform variation, so
> it would seem that any Accord wagon would have to be imported, rather
> like the Acura TSX is the Euro/Japan Accord Type S. I'd think the
> chances of that happening are slim, especially since in N.A. the SUV
> rulez.
>
> Rgds, George Macdonald

It does seem that companies with both minivans ans SUVs in their lineup are
loathe to offer wagons.

Does your image of "station wagons" include Crossover vehicles?

"Mr. Grinch" <grinch@hatespam.yucky> wrote in message
news:Xns93ECD5005D77Agrinchhatespamyucksh@24.71.22 3.159...
> I love my Ohio built 95 Accord EX wagon. I've seen shots and specs of the
> new Accord for JDM and Europe and wish they sold it here. What are the
> chances of Honda ever selling wagons again in North America?
>

"Mike Dennis" <mapson@woh.rr.com> wrote in
news:g1G6b.27234$3b2.2434761@twister.neo.rr.com:

> Does your image of "station wagons" include Crossover vehicles?
>

Does Honda sell any crossovers in north america?

Sorry, between SUV, SAV, Mini SUV, Crossover, etc, the differences seem a
little blurry to me, so I'm not sure, and I'm probably not the only one
confused by all the marketing terminology. IE is it a "crossover" or is
it a wagon that happens to have AWD and 2 inches more ground clearance with
chunkier tires?

But it would be interesting to see something like a AWD wagon like the
Honda Orthia (spelling?) here too.

MikeHunt2@mailcity.com wrote:

> Based on how well their previous attempts at selling a wagon
> went, not very likely. The market is moving away from cars
> to SUV's and crossovers funds on crossovers like Toyota and
> the domestics are doing.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
> Mike Denies wrote:
>
>>Does your image of "station wagons" include Crossover vehicles?
>>
>>"Mr. Grinch" <grinch@hatespam.yucky> wrote in message
>>news:Xns93ECD5005D77Agrinchhatespamyucksh@24.71. 223.159...
>>
>>>I love my Ohio built 95 Accord EX wagon. I've seen shots and specs of the
>>>new Accord for JDM and Europe and wish they sold it here. What are the
>>>chances of Honda ever selling wagons again in North America?
>>>

Too bad, I'd love to see a Honda Sports Wagon.

Based on how well their previous attempts at selling a wagon
went, not very likely. The market is moving away from cars
to SUV's and crossovers funds on crossovers like Toyota and
the domestics are doing.


mike hunt



Mike Denies wrote:
>
> Does your image of "station wagons" include Crossover vehicles?
>
> "Mr. Grinch" <grinch@hatespam.yucky> wrote in message
> news:Xns93ECD5005D77Agrinchhatespamyucksh@24.71.22 3.159...
> > I love my Ohio built 95 Accord EX wagon. I've seen shots and specs of the
> > new Accord for JDM and Europe and wish they sold it here. What are the
> > chances of Honda ever selling wagons again in North America?
> >

Isn't that what Toyota calls their Corolla wagon, the Matrix
sport wagon? ;0


mike hunt


Franc Bestuchev wrote:
>
> MikeHunt2@mailcity.com wrote:
>
> > Based on how well their previous attempts at selling a wagon
> > went, not very likely. The market is moving away from cars
> > to SUV's and crossovers funds on crossovers like Toyota and
> > the domestics are doing.
> >
> >
> > mike hunt
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Denies wrote:
> >
> >>Does your image of "station wagons" include Crossover vehicles?
> >>
> >>"Mr. Grinch" <grinch@hatespam.yucky> wrote in message
> >>news:Xns93ECD5005D77Agrinchhatespamyucksh@24.71. 223.159...
> >>
> >>>I love my Ohio built 95 Accord EX wagon. I've seen shots and specs of the
> >>>new Accord for JDM and Europe and wish they sold it here. What are the
> >>>chances of Honda ever selling wagons again in North America?
> >>>
>
> Too bad, I'd love to see a Honda Sports Wagon.

On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 17:09:18 -0600, Franz Bestuchev
<fbestuchev@n05p4m.userealsugar.com> wrote:

>MikeHunt2@mailcity.com wrote:
>
>> Based on how well their previous attempts at selling a wagon
>> went, not very likely. The market is moving away from cars
>> to SUV's and crossovers funds on crossovers like Toyota and
>> the domestics are doing.
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Denies wrote:
>>
>>>Does your image of "station wagons" include Crossover vehicles?
>>>
>>>"Mr. Grinch" <grinch@hatespam.yucky> wrote in message
>>>news:Xns93ECD5005D77Agrinchhatespamyucksh@24.71 .223.159...
>>>
>>>>I love my Ohio built 95 Accord EX wagon. I've seen shots and specs of the
>>>>new Accord for JDM and Europe and wish they sold it here. What are the
>>>>chances of Honda ever selling wagons again in North America?
>>>>
>
>Too bad, I'd love to see a Honda Sports Wagon.


Me too. Note that Mercedes and BMW both have wagons.

gRmEcMgOrVeEw@mindspring.com (Gordon McGrew) wrote in
news:2fmnlvkmqumtfkqato7s95663k37eoi6ve@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 17:09:18 -0600, Franz Bestuchev
> <fbestuchev@n05p4m.userealsugar.com> wrote:
>
>>MikeHunt2@mailcity.com wrote:
>>
>>> Based on how well their previous attempts at selling a wagon
>>> went, not very likely. The market is moving away from cars
>>> to SUV's and crossovers funds on crossovers like Toyota and
>>> the domestics are doing.
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Denies wrote:
>>>
>>>>Does your image of "station wagons" include Crossover vehicles?
>>>>
>>>>"Mr. Grinch" <grinch@hatespam.yucky> wrote in message
>>>>news:Xns93ECD5005D77Agrinchhatespamyucksh@24.7 1.223.159...
>>>>
>>>>>I love my Ohio built 95 Accord EX wagon. I've seen shots and specs
>>>>>of the new Accord for JDM and Europe and wish they sold it here.
>>>>>What are the chances of Honda ever selling wagons again in North
>>>>>America?
>>>>>
>>
>>Too bad, I'd love to see a Honda Sports Wagon.
>
>
> Me too. Note that Mercedes and BMW both have wagons.
>

Yeah, but they still don't get the really cool wagons that they get in
Europe, like the 330 wagon for example. I wonder if the new E60 5
series wagon will look any less ugly than the sedans.

I think a good part of why Subaru is doing so well is they continue to
sell wagons with a reasonable package for the price while no one else
does.

I'm speaking for myself here, but I think many people agree. I'm just
not ready for a mini-van (hope I never will be) nor do I want a big,
tall, gas guzzling SUV. Wagons are the best daily driver to me. At the
time I got my current one, the only wagons on the market in my price
range were Ford Taurus and Escort, Saturn, Subaru Legacy and Outback,
Toyota Camry and Corolla wagons, and the Accord wagon. The Toyota seemed
too much money for the Camry and even the Corolla was as almost as much
as the Accord for a lot less car. The domestics were exactly as I've
always found Domestics to be, poor fit and finish, trim falling off,
interiors and materials with the same cheap feel they've always had, etc.

Legacy Outback was very nice, and worth the coin, I thought, but just too
much for me. I ended up getting a dealer demo Accord for much less and
never regretted it, as it had the best reliability ratings for that model
year and that's what I was looking for most. In that respect it's
delivered, most reliable car I've ever had, if a little boring.

If they brought the Accord V6 wagon here I'd get one. The other wagon on
my wish list would be an Subaru STi wagon, but most people don't think it
will happen. There are rumors of a Legacy 2.5L turbo wagon though. I
wonder if they ever plan to put forced induction on their 3.0L 6 cyl?
That would be interesting.

As far as high-performance lux wagons go, they're pretty rare too. RS4
only found here in NA if it's been imported. New S4 Avant will be more
numerous but still, what a price tag. The price around the Accord V6 up
to the STi is more in my ballpark. Just sold my 2002 M3 and while I
loved it, and while I loved it, I don't see myself having the coin for
another one for some time to come. Who knows. Rumor is the next 3
series, E90, will come in an M4 wagon version.