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I am shocked that there is such an overwhelming consensus against
antilock brakes. Some of you even say that they actually REDUCE
safety rather than enhance it.

If ABS is such a detriment, then why is it standard on all the Acuras?
Come on, Acura buyers should be highly appreciated by Honda, because
the profits are much greater. So why doesn't Acura offer non-ABS
versions of its cars?

Yes, I realize I might seem kooky to consider buying your
grandfather's 1999 Buick instead of a new Honda Civic. I don't care
about hipness or sportiness. I'd consider any car that can get me
from Point A to Point B with reliability, safety, and relatively low
cost. Even if it's butt ugly and popular only among senior citizens.
Besides, I can always use the tape deck or CD player to listen to
Britney Spears and Mandy Moore on long trips.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG
usenet@@@@@@jasonhsu.com

>I am shocked that there is such an overwhelming consensus against
>antilock brakes. Some of you even say that they actually REDUCE
>safety rather than enhance it.

Because they are STUPID. Judging by their replies they obviously do not
understand ABS. Not one mentioned that ABS allows the driver to STEER while
braking, when normal brakes lock-up. Not one.





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I do not killfile, nor have I joined any do-not-call lists.

On 2 Sep 2003 21:11:33 -0700, jason_hsu@my-deja.com (Jason Hsu) wrote:

>I am shocked that there is such an overwhelming consensus against
>antilock brakes. Some of you even say that they actually REDUCE
>safety rather than enhance it.

Yes, because they are more dangerous than non-ABS brakes. Unless your
name is pimp daddy or some other small dicked wonder.

>If ABS is such a detriment, then why is it standard on all the Acuras?
> Come on, Acura buyers should be highly appreciated by Honda, because
>the profits are much greater. So why doesn't Acura offer non-ABS
>versions of its cars?

Because the more money people make the stupider they get?

>Yes, I realize I might seem kooky to consider buying your
>grandfather's 1999 Buick instead of a new Honda Civic. I don't care
>about hipness or sportiness. I'd consider any car that can get me
>from Point A to Point B with reliability, safety, and relatively low
>cost. Even if it's butt ugly and popular only among senior citizens.
>Besides, I can always use the tape deck or CD player to listen to
>Britney Spears and Mandy Moore on long trips.

Shhh, your ignorance is showing. You used the term reliable when
talking about an "American made" car.

On 03 Sep 2003 04:16:50 GMT, drpimpdadi@cs.commodore64 (DrPimpDadi)
wrote:

>>I am shocked that there is such an overwhelming consensus against
>>antilock brakes. Some of you even say that they actually REDUCE
>>safety rather than enhance it.
>
>Because they are STUPID. Judging by their replies they obviously do not
>understand ABS. Not one mentioned that ABS allows the driver to STEER while
>braking, when normal brakes lock-up. Not one.

We also aren't mentioning that you have no dick. But everybody knows
that.

On 3 Sep 2003 10:08:26 -0700, bobbinder@hotmail.com (robert Jones)
wrote:

>drpimpdadi@cs.commodore64 (DrPimpDadi) wrote in message news:<20030903001650.23341.00000243@mb-m19.news.cs.com>...
>> >I am shocked that there is such an overwhelming consensus against
>> >antilock brakes. Some of you even say that they actually REDUCE
>> >safety rather than enhance it.
>>
>> Because they are STUPID. Judging by their replies they obviously do not
>> understand ABS. Not one mentioned that ABS allows the driver to STEER while
>> braking, when normal brakes lock-up. Not one.
>
>
>There is absolutley no advantage to ABS except in one circumstance.
>Wet roads. On all other surfaces ABS is actually a detriment
>especially to drivers who know how to drive properly for conditions.
>We get lots of snow and ice here. ABS is no help as once your in a
>situation where you need to stop fast on icy snow covered roads your
>screwed ABS or no ABS.
>
>ABS was invented to try and help the majority of drivers who can't
>brake properly and have a tendacy to stab the brake pedal and close
>thier eyes in an emergency situation.
>
>Remember as well that steering and braking are dependant on traction.
>If you have no traction you have no braking or steering regardless of
>ABS, traction control or 4WD

Please!

Now we have to listen to pimpleboy tell us how 4WD makes a truck stop
faster...

Jason Hsu wrote:
>
> I am shocked that there is such an overwhelming consensus against
> antilock brakes. Some of you even say that they actually REDUCE
> safety rather than enhance it.
>
> If ABS is such a detriment, then why is it standard on all the Acuras?
> Come on, Acura buyers should be highly appreciated by Honda, because
> the profits are much greater. So why doesn't Acura offer non-ABS

I think the issue here is that all these 'anti' people are all expert
drivers. They've never made even a slight error while driving and of
course, never will. They would never hit the brakes in a panic when
something happens nearly instantly to the extent that the logical brain
can't respond and it becomes just a reflex to hit the brake pedal.

For the rest of we less than perfect people, my little Honda does have
ABS and I sort of like it.
I've really only had it turn on once or twice when popping on the brakes
to avoid a dump truck making a quick lane change in the rain... I think
it's likely the ABS kept me from sliding and losing it sideways or such.

The reason I read that ABS 'didn't work' wasn't that it didn't work
technically, but that the pulsing of the brake pedal caused people to
let off the brake when you're supposed to just stand on it and let the
ABS do it's job. I actually didn't feel anything in the pedal when I
set mine off, but I did hear it.

And people... exchanging ideas or debating features is fine, but all the
name calling just seriously weakens whatever idea you're trying to sell.

--

George
http://people.delphiforums.com/gmcc

gmccx wrote:
>
> Jason Hsu wrote:
> >
> > I am shocked that there is such an overwhelming consensus against
> > antilock brakes. Some of you even say that they actually REDUCE
> > safety rather than enhance it.
> >
> > If ABS is such a detriment, then why is it standard on all the Acuras?
> > Come on, Acura buyers should be highly appreciated by Honda, because
> > the profits are much greater. So why doesn't Acura offer non-ABS
>
> I think the issue here is that all these 'anti' people are all expert
> drivers. They've never made even a slight error while driving and of
> course, never will. They would never hit the brakes in a panic when
> something happens nearly instantly to the extent that the logical brain
> can't respond and it becomes just a reflex to hit the brake pedal.

And they're all wrong of course. Few people are quite as perfect as
they think. :-)

--

George
http://people.delphiforums.com/gmcc

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:13:16 -0400, gmccx <gmccx@notvalid.com> wrote:

>Jason Hsu wrote:
>>
>> I am shocked that there is such an overwhelming consensus against
>> antilock brakes. Some of you even say that they actually REDUCE
>> safety rather than enhance it.
>>
>> If ABS is such a detriment, then why is it standard on all the Acuras?
>> Come on, Acura buyers should be highly appreciated by Honda, because
>> the profits are much greater. So why doesn't Acura offer non-ABS
>
>I think the issue here is that all these 'anti' people are all expert
>drivers. They've never made even a slight error while driving and of
>course, never will. They would never hit the brakes in a panic when
>something happens nearly instantly to the extent that the logical brain
>can't respond and it becomes just a reflex to hit the brake pedal.

snip of opinion

>And people... exchanging ideas or debating features is fine, but all the
>name calling just seriously weakens whatever idea you're trying to sell.

And what exactly is the crap you pulled above?

Is there a difference between me calling you a moron directly and
indirectly?

These new Trolls are much smarter then the brain crushed ones of old.

Pars

>
> Now, as far as the comments I have made: The OP was a troll. That
> makes him an asshole. Plain and simple. Calling him names doesn't
> help, but it doesn't hurt either. And once in a while it is fun to
> bug the trolls, kind of like throwing peanuts to the elephants.