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pars wrote:

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> Kevin Sargent wrote:
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>>pars <"sdaro(remove)"@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3F48D609.6F37FCE3@hotmail.com>...
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>>>>>I took
>>>>>the car back to the dealership and inquired about the problem and the
>>>>>service rep told me it was because my engine was old. And, I needed to
>>>>>have my engine flushed. I've had many cars in the past and have yet to
>>>>>encounter a situation in which the oil would gets fowled up over a 15km
>>>>>drive. The Honda Rep acted as if its was common knowledge that an older
>>>>>car's oil would be dirty after an oil change. Can anyone support her
>>>>>conclusion???
>>
>>From what I know, and "engine flush" is where they dump some kind of
>>cleaner into your engine and let it idle for a minutes prior to
>>changing the oil. This is supposed to loosen up any buildup inside
>>your engine and the contaminants will come out when they change your
>>oil. That's what they say, anyway. I've had it done once in the life
>>of my car (200K+ km), and Walmart charges $10 on top of the regular
>>oil change to do this. For some odd reason, they claim they do not
>>sell this "engine flush" to the general public and can only have it
>>done at the garage. (?)
>>
>>That being said, I would agree with the diagnosis that you need an
>>engine flush, as there is likely some buildup inside your engine and
>>some of the debris broke free after changing the oil and that is the
>>"dirt" you see in the fresh oil...
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> True, there's definitely too much "dirt" in my engine. However, the reason for all the dirt
> build-up is suspect since I've been using mobel-1 since the car was new and it's always been
> dealer maintained. The flush sounds like a good idea, but i'm somewhat reluctant to put
> anything other then mobel-1 into my engine. I'm probably going to increase the oil change
> intervals and hope that'll clear up the problem.
>
> Pars
>

You know, just today my brother complained to me about how he saw some
sediment in the bottom of his Mobil 1 jugs.

>

Is that the same brother that can pull a rabbit out of his hat?

Pars


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>
> You know, just today my brother complained to me about how he saw some
> sediment in the bottom of his Mobil 1 jugs.

I dunno, I never saw him try

pars wrote:
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> Is that the same brother that can pull a rabbit out of his hat?
>
> Pars
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>>You know, just today my brother complained to me about how he saw some
>>sediment in the bottom of his Mobil 1 jugs.
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>

pars <"sdaro(remove)"@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3F4DBAD1.36085C2A@hotmail.com>...

> IF that's true, would more frequent oil change clean things up? I'm somewhat
> reluctant to use the engine flush solutions from the stores. I'd prefer to rely
> on the additive already found in the mobel-1.

Pars, I share your mistrust of engine flushes out there. A couple are
better than most. Auto-RX is a great ester based one which is also a
great lubricant booster. Schaeffer Nuetra 131 is cheaper, also ester
based, but I'm not sure it is as effective. With both products, you
add about 1oz. per quart of oil and run for a few hundred miles before
draining.

My guess is they didn't wipe off the dipstick ... so what you are
seeing is the residue left over from the old oil. Either that or they
didn't change the oil filter and you saw fresh oil with a healthy does
of very contaminated oil mixing with it. That stuff might have gotten
through the bypass valve upon start-up.

Mobil 1 has a decent amount of ester in it. Your motor should be very
clean inside as long as you didn't go much over 5,000 miles between
oil & filter changes.

--- Bror Jace

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:18:26 -0400, pars <"sdaro(remove)"@hotmail.com>
wrote:

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>
>George Macdonald wrote:
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>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 05:37:31 -0400, pars <"sdaro(remove)"@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> >My car has 145,000km and I've been getting the oil changed religiously
>> >at every 5000km. Anyways, today I took it at the Honda dealership for an
>> >oil change, drove it home and checked the oil. The oil in the engine was
>> >obviously fresh from the resent change, but it was already dirty. I took
>> >the car back to the dealership and inquired about the problem and the
>> >service rep told me it was because my engine was old. And, I needed to
>> >have my engine flushed. I've had many cars in the past and have yet to
>> >encounter a situation in which the oil would gets fowled up over a 15km
>> >drive. The Honda Rep acted as if its was common knowledge that an older
>> >car's oil would be dirty after an oil change. Can anyone support her
>> >conclusion???
>>
>> IME, on old engines it's normal for the fresh oil to take a slightly darker
>> cast more quickly than a newer engine but I can't say I've seen any
>> difference between say, a 60K engine and 100K engine in that respect - both
>> take a slightly darker cast quickly, since a drain can never drain all the
>> engine in the block passages. Check the dry fill for a stripped down
>> engine vs. an oil change with filter to see how much gets left behind.
>
>IF that's true, would more frequent oil change clean things up? I'm somewhat
>reluctant to use the engine flush solutions from the stores. I'd prefer to rely
>on the additive already found in the mobel-1.

That'd be my plan in your situation. I wouldn't trust my old seals to a
flush solvent - rear seals cost big $$.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Bror Jace wrote:
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> pars <"sdaro(remove)"@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3F4DBAD1.36085C2A@hotmail.com>...
>
> > IF that's true, would more frequent oil change clean things up? I'm somewhat
> > reluctant to use the engine flush solutions from the stores. I'd prefer to rely
> > on the additive already found in the mobel-1.
>
> Pars, I share your mistrust of engine flushes out there. A couple are
> better than most. Auto-RX is a great ester based one which is also a
> great lubricant booster. Schaeffer Nuetra 131 is cheaper, also ester
> based, but I'm not sure it is as effective. With both products, you
> add about 1oz. per quart of oil and run for a few hundred miles before
> draining.
>
> My guess is they didn't wipe off the dipstick ... so what you are
> seeing is the residue left over from the old oil. Either that or they
> didn't change the oil filter and you saw fresh oil with a healthy does
> of very contaminated oil mixing with it. That stuff might have gotten
> through the bypass valve upon start-up.
>
> Mobil 1 has a decent amount of ester in it. Your motor should be very
> clean inside as long as you didn't go much over 5,000 miles between
> oil & filter changes.

Hey Bror,
Cleaning the dipstick before checking the oil level is burnt into my
brains. My first job was as gas attendant at a full serve station and
the nazi's that owned the gas bar wanted their over priced oil sold. I'm
also guessing that the oil filer had not been changed.

To add to matters, I was somewhat suspicious when I provided them with
3.5 L of oil and they gave me back 1/2 Litre. My Hatch takes only 3.5L
of oil and I usually take out 1/2 litre from the 4l jug before giving it
in. So, they should have returned and empty jug instead of one with a
1/2 litre in it. Considering that the oil level was a little above full
(I checked the oil on an even grade), I don't understand where the 1/2
Litre came from. I hope the bastards aren't running off with my mobel-1.

Pars

>
> --- Bror Jace

> To add to matters, I was somewhat suspicious when I provided them with
> 3.5 L of oil and they gave me back 1/2 Litre. My Hatch takes only 3.5L
> of oil and I usually take out 1/2 litre from the 4l jug before giving it
> in. So, they should have returned and empty jug instead of one with a
> 1/2 litre in it. Considering that the oil level was a little above full
> (I checked the oil on an even grade), I don't understand where the 1/2
> Litre came from. I hope the bastards aren't running off with my mobel-1.

yet another reason to do it yourself.

On 8/30/03 1:51 PM, in article Im64b.310495$uu5.65570@sccrnsc04, "SoCalMike"
<mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:

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>
>> To add to matters, I was somewhat suspicious when I provided them with
>> 3.5 L of oil and they gave me back 1/2 Litre. My Hatch takes only 3.5L
>> of oil and I usually take out 1/2 litre from the 4l jug before giving it
>> in. So, they should have returned and empty jug instead of one with a
>> 1/2 litre in it. Considering that the oil level was a little above full
>> (I checked the oil on an even grade), I don't understand where the 1/2
>> Litre came from. I hope the bastards aren't running off with my mobel-1.
>
> yet another reason to do it yourself.
>
>
How new does the oil filter look? Bet they didn't bother to change it.

I've been comparing the quality of my engine oil with my wife's car the other
day. We both have the same 106hp engine and had our oil change on the same day
at the same dealership. Anyways, the quality of oil between the two cars were
similar (which was not the case immediately after said oil change). I'm still
going to have my oil change this weekend (if I get a chance), but I'm less
inclined to think that the dealership short changed me on the oil filter since
the oil does not seem as bad as I initially made it out to be.

Pars

"E. Meyer" wrote:

> On 8/30/03 1:51 PM, in article Im64b.310495$uu5.65570@sccrnsc04, "SoCalMike"
> <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> To add to matters, I was somewhat suspicious when I provided them with
> >> 3.5 L of oil and they gave me back 1/2 Litre. My Hatch takes only 3.5L
> >> of oil and I usually take out 1/2 litre from the 4l jug before giving it
> >> in. So, they should have returned and empty jug instead of one with a
> >> 1/2 litre in it. Considering that the oil level was a little above full
> >> (I checked the oil on an even grade), I don't understand where the 1/2
> >> Litre came from. I hope the bastards aren't running off with my mobel-1.
> >
> > yet another reason to do it yourself.
> >
> >
> How new does the oil filter look? Bet they didn't bother to change it.