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Has anyone seen rust on their Odyssey?

I had the dealer do their rust protection
with annual inspection. But now I've noticed
the welds on the rear hatch have spots of rust.
When you lift the hatch this is above your head.
This surface is about 1.5" wide and normally horizontal.

Also I notice rust on some welds on a vertical piece in
the rear door on the drivers side. Only noticeable when
the door is open and you are looking at welds on the door
frame.

My next observation is rust-related but I think unrelated
(not around welds). I've noticed small rust spots on the paint
(very tiny) in many spots on the side of the vehicle. I was
wondering if it could be stone chips but they are too many and
too small. Then I noticed similar on the side on the rear
bumper that is plastic. It sure looks like very tiny rust spots
but how could it rust? My only guess is it is a metal flake
in the paint that is rusting. Anyone else notice rust on their
Odyssey? I never noticed until I took a close look (the 3 year
warranty is about to run out so I took a look at what needs fixing).

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:00:04 -0400, "red rover" <natpress@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Has anyone seen rust on their Odyssey?
>
>I had the dealer do their rust protection
>with annual inspection. But now I've noticed
>the welds on the rear hatch have spots of rust.
>When you lift the hatch this is above your head.
>This surface is about 1.5" wide and normally horizontal.
>
>Also I notice rust on some welds on a vertical piece in
>the rear door on the drivers side. Only noticeable when
>the door is open and you are looking at welds on the door
>frame.

Are those rust spots bubbling up through the paint or could it be run-down
of rusty water from a mechanism or hinge? I'd probably handle those
myself, especially since it seems they are not a part of the car which
shows. Depends how much you want to keep it looking "original" on a part
which is not seen as the "finish" of the external appearance but try
<www.por15.com> - they have a clearcoat which might fit the bill.

>My next observation is rust-related but I think unrelated
>(not around welds). I've noticed small rust spots on the paint
>(very tiny) in many spots on the side of the vehicle. I was
>wondering if it could be stone chips but they are too many and
>too small. Then I noticed similar on the side on the rear
>bumper that is plastic. It sure looks like very tiny rust spots
>but how could it rust? My only guess is it is a metal flake
>in the paint that is rusting. Anyone else notice rust on their
>Odyssey? I never noticed until I took a close look (the 3 year
>warranty is about to run out so I took a look at what needs fixing).

I don't think it can be the metal flakes in the metallic paint. Could it
be vegetation stains... leaves, berries etc. from where the car is parked?
Another possible reason that's been mentioned for those very small rust
spots is raildust, picked up when the car was transported by railcar.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
> Are those rust spots bubbling up through the paint or could it be run-down
> of rusty water from a mechanism or hinge? I'd probably handle those
> myself, especially since it seems they are not a part of the car which
> shows. Depends how much you want to keep it looking "original" on a part
> which is not seen as the "finish" of the external appearance but try
> <www.por15.com> - they have a clearcoat which might fit the bill.

The spots seem to be bubbling from underneath. I would expect this is
a sign of things to come and it will spread. I don't think this should be
happening. It isn't that old and it has rust-protection. It isn't even
rusting
in the classical places where water and salt collect (like the bottom of
doors).

> I don't think it can be the metal flakes in the metallic paint. Could it
> be vegetation stains... leaves, berries etc. from where the car is parked?
> Another possible reason that's been mentioned for those very small rust
> spots is raildust, picked up when the car was transported by railcar.
>

I thought about berry/vegetation stain but it sure as heck looks like rust,
and
so tiny for a vegetation stain.

I would think that after 3 years there wouldn't be any raildust left would
there?
Unless somehow waxed in by the dealer.

It looks like there may be some on the black mudflaps too. So I now think
it cannot be the paint. I'm wondering if it could be some rusty plumbing at
a car
wash leaving spotting. Do think that would wash off at another car wash?
I did have it just washed before I was looking at it but it was at a pretty
high-end
car wash where several people attend to your car. I would think a place like
that
wouldn't allow rust into the water supply.

"red rover" <natpress@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
> > Are those rust spots bubbling up through the paint or could it be
run-down
> > of rusty water from a mechanism or hinge? I'd probably handle those
> > myself, especially since it seems they are not a part of the car which
> > shows. Depends how much you want to keep it looking "original" on a
part
> > which is not seen as the "finish" of the external appearance but try
> > <www.por15.com> - they have a clearcoat which might fit the bill.

I just picked up some today at a local used motorcyle parts place. Hoping to
give it a try this weekend.

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:55:56 -0400, "red rover" <natpress@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>
>"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
>> Are those rust spots bubbling up through the paint or could it be run-down
>> of rusty water from a mechanism or hinge? I'd probably handle those
>> myself, especially since it seems they are not a part of the car which
>> shows. Depends how much you want to keep it looking "original" on a part
>> which is not seen as the "finish" of the external appearance but try
>> <www.por15.com> - they have a clearcoat which might fit the bill.
>
>The spots seem to be bubbling from underneath. I would expect this is
>a sign of things to come and it will spread. I don't think this should be
>happening. It isn't that old and it has rust-protection. It isn't even
>rusting
>in the classical places where water and salt collect (like the bottom of
>doors).
>
>> I don't think it can be the metal flakes in the metallic paint. Could it
>> be vegetation stains... leaves, berries etc. from where the car is parked?
>> Another possible reason that's been mentioned for those very small rust
>> spots is raildust, picked up when the car was transported by railcar.
>>
>
>I thought about berry/vegetation stain but it sure as heck looks like rust,
>and
>so tiny for a vegetation stain.
>
>I would think that after 3 years there wouldn't be any raildust left would
>there?
>Unless somehow waxed in by the dealer.

Google on it - there's lots of references but I don't know the details of
the timing. For the first few days after leaving the factory, the paint is
quite soft and in fact it takes several weeks for it to reach final
hardness. The raildust is microscopic and beds into the soft paint where
it sits waiting for moisture. AFAIK the "solution" is claybar.

>It looks like there may be some on the black mudflaps too. So I now think
>it cannot be the paint. I'm wondering if it could be some rusty plumbing at
>a car
>wash leaving spotting. Do think that would wash off at another car wash?
>I did have it just washed before I was looking at it but it was at a pretty
>high-end
>car wash where several people attend to your car. I would think a place like
>that
>wouldn't allow rust into the water supply.

Maybe it's not rust but some chemical from a nearby chemical plant or
dropped by a leaking tanker on the road - the fact that you mentioned the
sides of the car and now even the mudflaps sounds more like the latter. If
it's rust it should come off the mudflaps fairly easily.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Are you talking about that stuff called PELUCID?

I see some of their products are offered as a
collection of smaller cans to avoid waste. Is that
because it goes bad once you open the can?

Hey for the tiny spots I have I could probably get
by with an eye dropper.

Steve

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> "red rover" <natpress@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:k2WZa.2452$l96.305976@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> > "George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in
message
> > > Are those rust spots bubbling up through the paint or could it be
> run-down
> > > of rusty water from a mechanism or hinge? I'd probably handle those
> > > myself, especially since it seems they are not a part of the car which
> > > shows. Depends how much you want to keep it looking "original" on a
> part
> > > which is not seen as the "finish" of the external appearance but try
> > > <www.por15.com> - they have a clearcoat which might fit the bill.
>
> I just picked up some today at a local used motorcyle parts place. Hoping
to
> give it a try this weekend.
>
>

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:15:09 GMT, fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com
(George Macdonald) wrote:

>>
>>I would think that after 3 years there wouldn't be any raildust left would
>>there?
>>Unless somehow waxed in by the dealer.
>
Where I used to work, our car park was next to the railroad track.
Rail dust looks like tiny rust spots, but it will 'burn' the paint if
left on. I know.