Honda Car Forum

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:41:03 -0600, "'Curly Q. Links'"
<motsco_@_interbaun.com> wrote:

>Are any of the ArmorAll or Black Again sprays suitable for keeping the
>CV boots clean and 'refreshed' so they don't get dried out?

Don't use these - they'll put a skin on the rubber which will eventually
crack and take the rubber with it.

I'd also advise against using any kind of spread on grease - it'll attract
dirt.

>If a boot could be made to last a year or two longer, what would you
>recommend / condemn ? ?

I've been using silicone spray for years - my '92 Integra (125K miles)
still has original C/V boots which are now showing some sign of cracking on
the inner fold of the pleats. Preferably you want to use a medium silicone
spray, i.e. not dry or too wet, such as the CRC brand. Too wet attracts
dirt which turns into a gooey coating and too dry doesn't do much. I apply
when the car is jacked up for an oil change and I'm waiting for the oil to
drain.

Some of the new models have C/V boots made from TPE (thermo plastic
elastomer) material - feels harder except at the folds - instead of rubber
and I'm not sure if the silicone helps much there.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Of course grease -- any kind -- attracts dirt, but it doesn't matter.

John D.



fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com (George Macdonald) wrote in message news:<3f35fc43.75370774@news.tellurian.com>...
> On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:41:03 -0600, "'Curly Q. Links'"
> <motsco_@_interbaun.com> wrote:
>
> >Are any of the ArmorAll or Black Again sprays suitable for keeping the
> >CV boots clean and 'refreshed' so they don't get dried out?
>
> Don't use these - they'll put a skin on the rubber which will eventually
> crack and take the rubber with it.
>
> I'd also advise against using any kind of spread on grease - it'll attract
> dirt.
>
> >If a boot could be made to last a year or two longer, what would you
> >recommend / condemn ? ?
>
> I've been using silicone spray for years - my '92 Integra (125K miles)
> still has original C/V boots which are now showing some sign of cracking on
> the inner fold of the pleats. Preferably you want to use a medium silicone
> spray, i.e. not dry or too wet, such as the CRC brand. Too wet attracts
> dirt which turns into a gooey coating and too dry doesn't do much. I apply
> when the car is jacked up for an oil change and I'm waiting for the oil to
> drain.
>
> Some of the new models have C/V boots made from TPE (thermo plastic
> elastomer) material - feels harder except at the folds - instead of rubber
> and I'm not sure if the silicone helps much there.
>
> Rgds, George Macdonald
>
> "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

On 10 Aug 2003 11:17:36 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote:

>Of course grease -- any kind -- attracts dirt, but it doesn't matter.

Of course dirt matters, especially in this case - you don't want a mixture
of dirt and grease sticking to rubber pleats which have to slide against
each other. Your Sil-glyde suggestion is the wrong stuff for the
application since it is *not* a silicone grease - check out the MSDS on
it.... it has *some* silicone in it but it contains a large amount of
castor oil which, when heated in air, oxidizes into a gummy substance.

Oh and try visiting <http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html>. At
least you'll know what you're doing wrong here.

>
>fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com (George Macdonald) wrote in message news:<3f35fc43.75370774@news.tellurian.com>...
>> On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:41:03 -0600, "'Curly Q. Links'"
>> <motsco_@_interbaun.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Are any of the ArmorAll or Black Again sprays suitable for keeping the
>> >CV boots clean and 'refreshed' so they don't get dried out?
>>
>> Don't use these - they'll put a skin on the rubber which will eventually
>> crack and take the rubber with it.
>>
>> I'd also advise against using any kind of spread on grease - it'll attract
>> dirt.
>>
>> >If a boot could be made to last a year or two longer, what would you
>> >recommend / condemn ? ?
>>
>> I've been using silicone spray for years - my '92 Integra (125K miles)
>> still has original C/V boots which are now showing some sign of cracking on
>> the inner fold of the pleats. Preferably you want to use a medium silicone
>> spray, i.e. not dry or too wet, such as the CRC brand. Too wet attracts
>> dirt which turns into a gooey coating and too dry doesn't do much. I apply
>> when the car is jacked up for an oil change and I'm waiting for the oil to
>> drain.
>>
>> Some of the new models have C/V boots made from TPE (thermo plastic
>> elastomer) material - feels harder except at the folds - instead of rubber
>> and I'm not sure if the silicone helps much there.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

What would think of Meguiars Vinyl & Rubber Cleaner/Conditioner for use on
CV Boots. I use it on all the rubber seals around the windows, etc.

http://www.meguiars.com/product_show...cfm?SrcLine=PI

> >Of course grease -- any kind -- attracts dirt, but it doesn't matter.
>
> Of course dirt matters, especially in this case - you don't want a mixture
> of dirt and grease sticking to rubber pleats which have to slide against
> each other. Your Sil-glyde suggestion is the wrong stuff for the
> application since it is *not* a silicone grease - check out the MSDS on
> it.... it has *some* silicone in it but it contains a large amount of
> castor oil which, when heated in air, oxidizes into a gummy substance.

On 8 Aug 2003 18:41:22 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote:

|Yes, it's "Stick," not Cartridge. Sorry.
|
|AGS should do much better with its product distrubution...fire whoever
|is handling it now.

LOL Well, that would include us.
Problem is AGS is a very small line for most distributors, and Sil-Glyde is a
mediocre-selling item in that small line. We carry probably 30 other chemical
lines, and every one has some undiscovered jewel that gets lost in the
landscape. We put an item in, announce it's availability, promote it for a
time with new-item marketing funds, then if it stops selling it falls of the
radar screen and stops getting re-ordered.

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:59:30 GMT, NOSPAMrex@REMOVEtxol.net (Rex B) wrote:

>On 8 Aug 2003 18:41:22 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote:
>
>|Yes, it's "Stick," not Cartridge. Sorry.
>|
>|AGS should do much better with its product distrubution...fire whoever
>|is handling it now.
>
>LOL Well, that would include us.
>Problem is AGS is a very small line for most distributors, and Sil-Glyde is a
>mediocre-selling item in that small line. We carry probably 30 other chemical
>lines, and every one has some undiscovered jewel that gets lost in the
>landscape. We put an item in, announce it's availability, promote it for a
>time with new-item marketing funds, then if it stops selling it falls of the
>radar screen and stops getting re-ordered.

Seems like what happened (keeps happening) to SuperLube. How much of this
is due to "shelf-blocking" by the mfrs/distributors? It really pisses me
off that I have to go to 3 different auto parts stores to buy what I want.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

On 11 Aug 2003 10:41:56 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote:

>It still doesn't matter. My gosh, get the big picture. How can
>something so simple be so complictaed to you.

I guess you just don't understand. As before, with your crackpot
suggestions, if you recommend something which doesn't fit, you'll get
challenged. Get used to it.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Sounds like you're a member of Act Up, too, so you're used to saying
"Get used to it." Sorry, I don't have to "get used" to anything.

Look, DF, you're the one here is doesn't know shit. If you can't stand
someone to disagree with you -- and resort to calling them a crackpot
-- then YOU'RE the one with the problem, chump.

How simple can I put this: YOU use what you want, I will use what I
want. Why does that bother you so much? How insecure and/or anal can
you be?

I have ZERO confidence in your opinion, but I DO have 100% confidence
in what I have seen work for me.

Go back to alt.flame...we don't have time for that childish crap here.

EOT

John D.





fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com (George Macdonald) wrote in message news:<3f381b79.49128164@news.tellurian.com>...
> On 11 Aug 2003 10:41:56 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote:
>
> >It still doesn't matter. My gosh, get the big picture. How can
> >something so simple be so complictaed to you.
>
> I guess you just don't understand. As before, with your crackpot
> suggestions, if you recommend something which doesn't fit, you'll get
> challenged. Get used to it.
>
> Rgds, George Macdonald
>
> "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

"John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e821bab6.0308112210.127701bc@posting.google.c om...

> How simple can I put this: YOU use what you want, I will use what I
> want. Why does that bother you so much? How insecure and/or anal can
> you be?

Why the attacks?
He wanted you to clarify why having grease on CV boots wouldn't create an
dirt encrusted, abrasive enviroment.

And it seems you can't.


> Go back to alt.flame...we don't have time for that childish crap here.

Stop responding to threads you won't participate in.

> EOT

You've said that before.....sheesh.

> John D.
>
>
>
> fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com (George Macdonald) wrote in message
news:<3f381b79.49128164@news.tellurian.com>...
> > On 11 Aug 2003 10:41:56 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote:
> >
> > >It still doesn't matter. My gosh, get the big picture. How can
> > >something so simple be so complictaed to you.
> >
> > I guess you just don't understand. As before, with your crackpot
> > suggestions, if you recommend something which doesn't fit, you'll get
> > challenged. Get used to it.
> >
> > Rgds, George Macdonald
> >
> > "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who,
me??

Seems like it needs a lot of explanation for you to understand.

Where were you the day you were supposed to get a brain???
Probably lost and waiting in the line with big sign saying "extra big noisy
mouths"...

Now, that served you well...