Honda Car Forum

It's official. I saw in the paper today.

Japanese cars are the most reliable on the road.
The Honda accord is apparently the number 1, with the civic and hrv in the
top ten aswell as most reliable cars based on breakdowns.

Mazda have a few cars in the top ten as well.

Least reliable are Audi TT, Ford Galaxy, VW polo, Vauxhall vectra, and
Citroen C3.

Good news for me is I bought an Accord. Bad news is that the Audi TT
is one my favorites.



On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:29:01 +0100, "gop" <fdfdf@sfks.com> wrote:

>It's official. I saw in the paper today.
>
>Japanese cars are the most reliable on the road.
>The Honda accord is apparently the number 1, with the civic and hrv in the
>top ten aswell as most reliable cars based on breakdowns.
>
>Mazda have a few cars in the top ten as well.
>
>Least reliable are Audi TT, Ford Galaxy, VW polo, Vauxhall vectra, and
>Citroen C3.
>

"gop" <fdfdf@sfks.com> wrote in message
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> It's official. I saw in the paper today.
>
> Japanese cars are the most reliable on the road.
> The Honda accord is apparently the number 1, with the civic and hrv in the
> top ten aswell as most reliable cars based on breakdowns.
>
> Mazda have a few cars in the top ten as well.
>
> Least reliable are Audi TT, Ford Galaxy, VW polo, Vauxhall vectra, and
> Citroen C3.

This must be some european ranking. Maybe in Europe Hondas are more
reliable, but certainly Accord does not hold the top spot in the US.
Actually, the quality of the Accord has been declining since its
bullet-proof days of early '90s. Not sure if manufacturing it in the US had
anything to do with this decline. Lexus and Acura have been sitting at the
top of reliability rankings, IIRC.

Cheers,

Pete

"Pete" <escape2music@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> This must be some european ranking. Maybe in Europe Hondas are more
> reliable, but certainly Accord does not hold the top spot in the US.
> Actually, the quality of the Accord has been declining since its
> bullet-proof days of early '90s.

Huh? How did you come to this conclusion?

"Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPO@rogers.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pete" <escape2music@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bgu6f4$3id$1@news.onet.pl...
> > This must be some european ranking. Maybe in Europe Hondas are more
> > reliable, but certainly Accord does not hold the top spot in the US.
> > Actually, the quality of the Accord has been declining since its
> > bullet-proof days of early '90s.
>
> Huh? How did you come to this conclusion?

I am hearing more and more problems reported with the newer Accords, the
issue with the automatic transmissions on the V6 Accords in '98-'01, just to
name one. In addition, my '00 Accord was so poorly made, it drove me nuts
and I sold it only after a year of ownership. I may have been just unlucky,
but reading this newsgroup, just about everyone agrees that older Accords
were more reliable.

Accord may be the best selling US mid-size sedan, but it is not the most
reliable. Honda has created a good name based on quality of its products a
decade ago and is still riding on it.

I'm not saying Honda makes bad cars. Compared to many American brands,
Honda is still better in overall quality. However, I have also seen many
rankings (US based), and Accord is not in the top three in terms of
reliability.

Cheers,

Pete

"Pete" <escape2music@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPO@rogers.com> wrote in message
> newsNxYa.118234$hOa.19990@news02.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> >
> > "Pete" <escape2music@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:bgu6f4$3id$1@news.onet.pl...
> > > This must be some european ranking. Maybe in Europe Hondas are more
> > > reliable, but certainly Accord does not hold the top spot in the US.
> > > Actually, the quality of the Accord has been declining since its
> > > bullet-proof days of early '90s.
> >
> > Huh? How did you come to this conclusion?
>
> I am hearing more and more problems reported with the newer Accords, the
> issue with the automatic transmissions on the V6 Accords in '98-'01, just
to
> name one. In addition, my '00 Accord was so poorly made, it drove me nuts
> and I sold it only after a year of ownership. I may have been just
unlucky,
> but reading this newsgroup, just about everyone agrees that older Accords
> were more reliable.
>
> Accord may be the best selling US mid-size sedan, but it is not the most
> reliable. Honda has created a good name based on quality of its products
a
> decade ago and is still riding on it.
>
> I'm not saying Honda makes bad cars. Compared to many American brands,
> Honda is still better in overall quality. However, I have also seen many
> rankings (US based), and Accord is not in the top three in terms of
> reliability.

See my previous post. Other car makers can increase their reliability above
Honda, _without_ Honda reducing quality.

I'm not saying that the Accord is on decline.
I'm saying that it doesn't seem like European data.

"Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPO@rogers.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote in message
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> > And actually, the last time I was in Europe (earlier this year) in
Europe
> > the Accord is comes behind a.........Ford.
> > Yup, that's right. The Ford Mondeo does better than Accord.
>
> How does that translate into the Accord being in quality decline?
>
> Can't Ford just raise it's quality above Honda, with Honda changing a
thing?
>
>
> > > > This must be some european ranking. Maybe in Europe Hondas are more
> > > > reliable, but certainly Accord does not hold the top spot in the US.
> > > > Actually, the quality of the Accord has been declining since its
> > > > bullet-proof days of early '90s.
> > >
> > > Huh? How did you come to this conclusion?
>
>
>

My guess is he owned one and had some problems.



mike hunt



Stephen Bigelow wrote:
>
> "Pete" <escape2music@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bgu6f4$3id$1@news.onet.pl...
> > This must be some european ranking. Maybe in Europe Hondas are more
> > reliable, but certainly Accord does not hold the top spot in the US.
> > Actually, the quality of the Accord has been declining since its
> > bullet-proof days of early '90s.
>
> Huh? How did you come to this conclusion?

From what I see in our business, every manufacture is building
good vehicles today. No particular brand stands far above any
other in it class. There are no outstanding 'bad' models of any
manufacture, just the occasional problem with individual
vehicles. The only real difference today is style and price.
Buying the one that best suits ones needs and budget would be the
best advice to follow. Avoid the dealers that are trying to get
top dollar, it a buyers market today. Don't forget interest
rates as well. Even 2.9% will cost you a $1,000 or more in
interest over one available at zero interest.



mike hunt



Stephen Bigelow wrote:
>
> "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote in message news:bguah8$1ee$1@dns3.cae.ca...
> > And actually, the last time I was in Europe (earlier this year) in Europe
> > the Accord is comes behind a.........Ford.
> > Yup, that's right. The Ford Mondeo does better than Accord.
>
> How does that translate into the Accord being in quality decline?
>
> Can't Ford just raise it's quality above Honda, with Honda changing a thing?
>
> > > > This must be some european ranking. Maybe in Europe Hondas are more
> > > > reliable, but certainly Accord does not hold the top spot in the US.
> > > > Actually, the quality of the Accord has been declining since its
> > > > bullet-proof days of early '90s.
> > >
> > > Huh? How did you come to this conclusion?

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:24:59 +0200, "Pete" <escape2music@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPO@rogers.com> wrote in message
>newsNxYa.118234$hOa.19990@news02.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com...
>>
>> "Pete" <escape2music@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:bgu6f4$3id$1@news.onet.pl...
>> > This must be some european ranking. Maybe in Europe Hondas are more
>> > reliable, but certainly Accord does not hold the top spot in the US.
>> > Actually, the quality of the Accord has been declining since its
>> > bullet-proof days of early '90s.
>>
>> Huh? How did you come to this conclusion?
>
>I am hearing more and more problems reported with the newer Accords, the
>issue with the automatic transmissions on the V6 Accords in '98-'01, just to
>name one. In addition, my '00 Accord was so poorly made, it drove me nuts
>and I sold it only after a year of ownership. I may have been just unlucky,
>but reading this newsgroup, just about everyone agrees that older Accords
>were more reliable.

The auto-trans is one "problem" and Honda dealt with it fairly well - I
can't think of anything else off-hand. I've been very impressed by our 2K
Accord but it's a I4 MT so I can't comment on the autos. If you thought
your '00 model was "poorly made", I wonder what you've found which is
better... other than a Camry which is AFAIK still slightly ahead on
quality/reliability. I think there was a period in the early '90s - I
owned a '90 Civic where the difference in fit 'n' finish was obviously off,
though the car was otherwise reliable - where the U.S. Honda mfr was behind
the JP but it's been my impression that that gap has been narrowed to
near-zero more recently.

>Accord may be the best selling US mid-size sedan, but it is not the most
>reliable. Honda has created a good name based on quality of its products a
>decade ago and is still riding on it.

In surveys I've seen reported here and elsewhere, Camry was slightly ahead
but in the class of vehicle I don't think any other make was close.

>I'm not saying Honda makes bad cars. Compared to many American brands,
>Honda is still better in overall quality. However, I have also seen many
>rankings (US based), and Accord is not in the top three in terms of
>reliability.

We've been reading different surveys then. I haven't seen any where a
Detroit car was ahead.

Rgds, George Macdonald

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