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I have recently installed a Graco carseat base in my 91 Civic. I do
not have the Owner's Manual for the car but it appears that I can only
install the base in the center of the rear seat. My preference was to
actually install it on one of the sides but I am not sure whether this
is possible. Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Konrad

Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:<67guhv8n3ke2adgu3tco6u3npmsis2megp@4ax.com>. ..
>> I have recently installed a Graco carseat base in my 91 Civic. I do
>> not have the Owner's Manual for the car but it appears that I can only
>> install the base in the center of the rear seat. My preference was to
>> actually install it on one of the sides but I am not sure whether this
>> is possible. Any advice would be appreciated.

>You should be able to mount the seat in any position, as long as you
>can get a good installation. According to this carseat compatability
>database:

>http://www.carseatdata.org/database.html

>several people have successfully installed seats in the outboard
>positions. What do you mean when you say it appears you can only
>nstall it in the center?

>Tracy

Tracy - thanks for sending the link. Unfortunately, the 1991 Civic
and Graco Snagride combination is not listed there.

What I meant is that this:
(1) there are no manual latch locations on the back seat = I cannot
use the latch to mount the car seat
(2) Graco instruction manual says that lap/shoulder belts with
retractors (=1991 Civic) cannot be used to mount the base.

The next logical step would be to look up Operator's Manual but I do
not have one. Accordingly, it was more practicable to ask the
newsgroup readers than to buy the manual.

Konrad

Konrad,

Get the Owner's Manual (OM)!

Every car owner should AT LEAST have an OM.

I have a '95 Nissan...in my OM, it shows HIDDEN car seat attachment
points in the rear seat area as well as how to access and "enable"
them. I suspect your OM would show the same information. I got mine
just recently from Nissan (a beand new OM for this '95 200SX SE, for
only $12 shipped), but they also can be found on EBAY. Maybe Honda
does the same for older cars.

Whatever, get the OM.

Good luck,

John D.




Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<i544ivguau58811eg5n8ailr6siav5jeq3@4ax.com>. ..
> Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:<67guhv8n3ke2adgu3tco6u3npmsis2megp@4ax.com>. ..
> >> I have recently installed a Graco carseat base in my 91 Civic. I do
> >> not have the Owner's Manual for the car but it appears that I can only
> >> install the base in the center of the rear seat. My preference was to
> >> actually install it on one of the sides but I am not sure whether this
> >> is possible. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> >You should be able to mount the seat in any position, as long as you
> >can get a good installation. According to this carseat compatability
> >database:
>
> >http://www.carseatdata.org/database.html
>
> >several people have successfully installed seats in the outboard
> >positions. What do you mean when you say it appears you can only
> >nstall it in the center?
>
> >Tracy
>
> Tracy - thanks for sending the link. Unfortunately, the 1991 Civic
> and Graco Snagride combination is not listed there.
>
> What I meant is that this:
> (1) there are no manual latch locations on the back seat = I cannot
> use the latch to mount the car seat
> (2) Graco instruction manual says that lap/shoulder belts with
> retractors (=1991 Civic) cannot be used to mount the base.
>
> The next logical step would be to look up Operator's Manual but I do
> not have one. Accordingly, it was more practicable to ask the
> newsgroup readers than to buy the manual.
>
> Konrad

Konrad,

Well, you certianly are right about that -- and I agree completely --
but don't get me started on all the OTHER problems here that I
hate...like moral decline, PC/NWO/liberal-socialist domestic agendas,
flawed/unjust foreign policies (mostly just a waste of American
TAXPAYER money damn it!)...the list goes on! And I've MOSTLY been
raised here, except I've lived in Europe for 7 years and went to Asia
(Viet Nam)...I don't like our present condition one bit but
apparently, most "Americans" are in agreement because it goes on
nonetheless. Disgraceful.

But back to your situation...

The Honda Owner's Manual (OM) you ordered (I assume it was the OM
because you aren't going ot get a Honda factory-authorized shop manual
for $24) will tell you LOTS more than just how to mount the child
seat...you'll be pleased you got it I'm sure...a good investment for
your car, long overdue.

Glad you were able to find one so easily...especially for a 1991
vehicle. I was VERY surprised Nissan Publications had a NEW OM for my
1995 200SX SE...the ones on Ebay are usually used, dog-eared or in
poor condition and/or have writing all over them.

Regards,

John D.





Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<hhgeivkeu80eo08upu3o361hhr6ib4mme0@4ax.com>. ..
> Thank you John. I reached the same conclusion a few days ago (to order
> the manual). Honda charges $24 plus shipping but whether I can install
> the seat on the sides or not at least I find out and it is worth it
> (given that I could not get this info elsewhere).
>
> I stopped at a local Honda dealer over the weekend. They really
> annoyed me - they said they would not give any advice or do anything
> regarding carseats. Exposure to lawsuits is the reason. I think it
> goes too far and behaviors like this are hard to understand for
> somebody who was raised outside of the US.
>
> Konrad
>
> On 28 Jul 2003 17:47:22 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote:
>
> >Konrad,
> >
> >Get the Owner's Manual (OM)!
> >
> >Every car owner should AT LEAST have an OM.
> >
> >I have a '95 Nissan...in my OM, it shows HIDDEN car seat attachment
> >points in the rear seat area as well as how to access and "enable"
> >them. I suspect your OM would show the same information. I got mine
> >just recently from Nissan (a beand new OM for this '95 200SX SE, for
> >only $12 shipped), but they also can be found on EBAY. Maybe Honda
> >does the same for older cars.
> >
> >Whatever, get the OM.
> >
> >Good luck,
> >
> >John D.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<i544ivguau58811eg5n8ailr6siav5jeq3@4ax.com>. ..
> >> Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message
> >> news:<67guhv8n3ke2adgu3tco6u3npmsis2megp@4ax.com>. ..
> >> >> I have recently installed a Graco carseat base in my 91 Civic. I do
> >> >> not have the Owner's Manual for the car but it appears that I can only
> >> >> install the base in the center of the rear seat. My preference was to
> >> >> actually install it on one of the sides but I am not sure whether this
> >> >> is possible. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> >> >You should be able to mount the seat in any position, as long as you
> >> >can get a good installation. According to this carseat compatability
> >> >database:
>
> >> >http://www.carseatdata.org/database.html
>
> >> >several people have successfully installed seats in the outboard
> >> >positions. What do you mean when you say it appears you can only
> >> >nstall it in the center?
>
> >> >Tracy
> >>
> >> Tracy - thanks for sending the link. Unfortunately, the 1991 Civic
> >> and Graco Snagride combination is not listed there.
> >>
> >> What I meant is that this:
> >> (1) there are no manual latch locations on the back seat = I cannot
> >> use the latch to mount the car seat
> >> (2) Graco instruction manual says that lap/shoulder belts with
> >> retractors (=1991 Civic) cannot be used to mount the base.
> >>
> >> The next logical step would be to look up Operator's Manual but I do
> >> not have one. Accordingly, it was more practicable to ask the
> >> newsgroup readers than to buy the manual.
> >>
> >> Konrad

Thnaks John!
We could really start a new discussion here and I would likely agree
with you a lot. On the other hand this country continues to be a great
one. I guess nothing is black and white in life.

Thanks again for your suggestion on the OM. I ordered a new one from
Honda's website. It has not arrived yet but should any day now.

Konrad

On 30 Jul 2003 10:36:55 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote:

>Konrad,
>
>Well, you certianly are right about that -- and I agree completely --
>but don't get me started on all the OTHER problems here that I
>hate...like moral decline, PC/NWO/liberal-socialist domestic agendas,
>flawed/unjust foreign policies (mostly just a waste of American
>TAXPAYER money damn it!)...the list goes on! And I've MOSTLY been
>raised here, except I've lived in Europe for 7 years and went to Asia
>(Viet Nam)...I don't like our present condition one bit but
>apparently, most "Americans" are in agreement because it goes on
>nonetheless. Disgraceful.
>
>But back to your situation...
>
>The Honda Owner's Manual (OM) you ordered (I assume it was the OM
>because you aren't going ot get a Honda factory-authorized shop manual
>for $24) will tell you LOTS more than just how to mount the child
>seat...you'll be pleased you got it I'm sure...a good investment for
>your car, long overdue.
>
>Glad you were able to find one so easily...especially for a 1991
>vehicle. I was VERY surprised Nissan Publications had a NEW OM for my
>1995 200SX SE...the ones on Ebay are usually used, dog-eared or in
>poor condition and/or have writing all over them.
>
>Regards,
>
>John D.
>
>
>
>
>
>Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<hhgeivkeu80eo08upu3o361hhr6ib4mme0@4ax.com>. ..
>> Thank you John. I reached the same conclusion a few days ago (to order
>> the manual). Honda charges $24 plus shipping but whether I can install
>> the seat on the sides or not at least I find out and it is worth it
>> (given that I could not get this info elsewhere).
>>
>> I stopped at a local Honda dealer over the weekend. They really
>> annoyed me - they said they would not give any advice or do anything
>> regarding carseats. Exposure to lawsuits is the reason. I think it
>> goes too far and behaviors like this are hard to understand for
>> somebody who was raised outside of the US.
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>> On 28 Jul 2003 17:47:22 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote:
>>
>> >Konrad,
>> >
>> >Get the Owner's Manual (OM)!
>> >
>> >Every car owner should AT LEAST have an OM.
>> >
>> >I have a '95 Nissan...in my OM, it shows HIDDEN car seat attachment
>> >points in the rear seat area as well as how to access and "enable"
>> >them. I suspect your OM would show the same information. I got mine
>> >just recently from Nissan (a beand new OM for this '95 200SX SE, for
>> >only $12 shipped), but they also can be found on EBAY. Maybe Honda
>> >does the same for older cars.
>> >
>> >Whatever, get the OM.
>> >
>> >Good luck,
>> >
>> >John D.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<i544ivguau58811eg5n8ailr6siav5jeq3@4ax.com>. ..
>> >> Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:<67guhv8n3ke2adgu3tco6u3npmsis2megp@4ax.com>. ..
>> >> >> I have recently installed a Graco carseat base in my 91 Civic. I do
>> >> >> not have the Owner's Manual for the car but it appears that I can only
>> >> >> install the base in the center of the rear seat. My preference was to
>> >> >> actually install it on one of the sides but I am not sure whether this
>> >> >> is possible. Any advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> >> >You should be able to mount the seat in any position, as long as you
>> >> >can get a good installation. According to this carseat compatability
>> >> >database:
>>
>> >> >http://www.carseatdata.org/database.html
>>
>> >> >several people have successfully installed seats in the outboard
>> >> >positions. What do you mean when you say it appears you can only
>> >> >nstall it in the center?
>>
>> >> >Tracy
>> >>
>> >> Tracy - thanks for sending the link. Unfortunately, the 1991 Civic
>> >> and Graco Snagride combination is not listed there.
>> >>
>> >> What I meant is that this:
>> >> (1) there are no manual latch locations on the back seat = I cannot
>> >> use the latch to mount the car seat
>> >> (2) Graco instruction manual says that lap/shoulder belts with
>> >> retractors (=1991 Civic) cannot be used to mount the base.
>> >>
>> >> The next logical step would be to look up Operator's Manual but I do
>> >> not have one. Accordingly, it was more practicable to ask the
>> >> newsgroup readers than to buy the manual.
>> >>
>> >> Konrad

Thanks Tracy. You are probably right on this. I have had bad
experiences with the quality of service rendered by Honda dealers in
the past. On the other hand I would think that answering a simple
question whether it is possible to mount the carseat on the side of
rear seat rather than just in the center should be within the
competence of a dealer. If they said "yes", I would have gone and
purchased the Operator's Manual. If the answer was "no" I would have
not spent the money. That is all I expected from the dealer. At this
point, I purchased the OM anyway and it should arrive any time now. I
was busy and could not explore the links you sent but will do so.
Thanks again!

Konrad

On 31 Jul 2003 09:41:19 -0700, tlbwriter@yahoo.com (Tracy) wrote:

>Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<hhgeivkeu80eo08upu3o361hhr6ib4mme0@4ax.com>. ..
>> I stopped at a local Honda dealer over the weekend. They really
>> annoyed me - they said they would not give any advice or do anything
>> regarding carseats.
>
>You don't *want* carseat advice from your Honda dealer - or from any
>other dealer, for that matter. They don't know carseats. Hell, you're
>lucky if they even know Hondas. They're doing you a service by not
>giving out incorrect advice. Find a carseat tech, or post to one of
>the boards I linked to earlier - there's a chance someone in your area
>has already addressed this issue.
>
>Tracy

Konrad,
I'm jumping in here late in the game, but I just wanted to add that you
really should mount the car seat where they've designed it to be
mounted. While it's more difficult to sit the infant in the seat when
mounted in the middle, it's much more difficult to imagine how you'd
feel if your car was hit on the side you chose to place the car seat.

The middle of the back seat is the SAFEST place to have your child while
in a car. I personally wouldn't compromise that for my own personal
needs.

Knorad,

EVERY car owner should have AT LEAST an Owner's Manual (OM),
regardless of whether or not it covers only one particular issue or
not.

Don't be so short-sighted/limited in your thinking or in your
assessment re: an OM's value...it's worth lots more than you seem to
believe.

John D.




Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<0s0qivopd3uucebr2rpanle3748ul0v2h4@4ax.com>. ..
> Thanks Tracy. You are probably right on this. I have had bad
> experiences with the quality of service rendered by Honda dealers in
> the past. On the other hand I would think that answering a simple
> question whether it is possible to mount the carseat on the side of
> rear seat rather than just in the center should be within the
> competence of a dealer. If they said "yes", I would have gone and
> purchased the Operator's Manual. If the answer was "no" I would have
> not spent the money. That is all I expected from the dealer. At this
> point, I purchased the OM anyway and it should arrive any time now. I
> was busy and could not explore the links you sent but will do so.
> Thanks again!
>
> Konrad
>
> On 31 Jul 2003 09:41:19 -0700, tlbwriter@yahoo.com (Tracy) wrote:
>
> >Konrad Starek <konrad.starek@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<hhgeivkeu80eo08upu3o361hhr6ib4mme0@4ax.com>. ..
> >> I stopped at a local Honda dealer over the weekend. They really
> >> annoyed me - they said they would not give any advice or do anything
> >> regarding carseats.
> >
> >You don't *want* carseat advice from your Honda dealer - or from any
> >other dealer, for that matter. They don't know carseats. Hell, you're
> >lucky if they even know Hondas. They're doing you a service by not
> >giving out incorrect advice. Find a carseat tech, or post to one of
> >the boards I linked to earlier - there's a chance someone in your area
> >has already addressed this issue.
> >
> >Tracy