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Is this new design (3MZ-FE) chain or belt driven cams?
--

Philip

"If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending
the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis not to
be wondered that they should then rouse themselves."
- John Locke (1632-1704)

Platil wrote:
> Also the new 3.3 liter, 3MZ-FE engine in the Sienna and new Solara is
> a valve cruncher as well. Read this in Toyota Tech magazine at work.
>
>
>
> "Philip®" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:3sjUa.1078$e4.970@newsread4.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
>> Yes, 'tis true the diesels and 4.7L V8 gas will attempt to make solid
>> parts occupy the same space at the same time (crunch). But the
>> gasoline engines listed for American Tercels are not interference.
>> --
>>
>> Philip
>>
>> "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all
>> tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis
>> not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves."
>> - John Locke (1632-1704)
>>
>>
>> tomcas wrote:
>>> http://yarchive.net/car/timing_belt.html
>>> I'm not sure of it's accuracy. I seem to recall the toyota diesels
>>> and one model (must have been the Tercel) that would crash.
>>>
>>> Philip® wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <Np5Ua.941$e4.417@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
>>>>> "Philip®" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Toyota has been making interference engines for a while. I
>>>>>>> tested it on my 88 Tercel when I changed its timing belt. The
>>>>>>> pistons did bump the valves when I hand turned the crankshaft.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> NO Tercel was ever an "interference" design. (3A, 3E, or 5E).
>>>>>> Did you have a diesel? ;^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> It was an October 1988 Tercel, 3E (single barrel carb),
>>>>> drivability mods (didn't help), AC mods, and it absolutely was an
>>>>> interference engine.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok, then you account for why in the Gates Belt cataloge that NO
>>>> such distinction exists. We also have our resident career Toyota
>>>> techinician stating Tercel was only a non-interference engine. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=981
>>>>
>>>> Click on "Timing Belt Replacement Guide." ONLY vehicles with an
>>>> asterisk next to the make/model are interference engines.
>>>>
>>>> Toyota has a very strong tradition (with a couple exceptions) of
>>>> their belt drive engines being non interference.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Philip
>>>>
>>>> "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all
>>>> tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis
>>>> not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves."
>>>> - John Locke (1632-1704)

Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
>
> Despite how it should have been, the valves and pistons did bang
> together when the crankshaft was turned by hand without a timing belt.
> I had even re-tried it a few times, but much slower, to see if that's
> what was happening.

Rick made the connection for you ... big carbon/burned oil deposits on
the piston crowns. The excessive compression was the clue. From the
factory, all Tercel are non-interference. Ya should have pulled the head
and decoked the poor little bugger.
--

Philip

"If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending
the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis not to
be wondered that they should then rouse themselves."
- John Locke (1632-1704)

It has a timing belt, and a 10:8 compression ratio.

"Philip®" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3wqUa.4$Bg.0@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net ...
> Is this new design (3MZ-FE) chain or belt driven cams?
> --
>
> Philip
>
> "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending
> the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis not to
> be wondered that they should then rouse themselves."
> - John Locke (1632-1704)
>
> Platil wrote:
> > Also the new 3.3 liter, 3MZ-FE engine in the Sienna and new Solara is
> > a valve cruncher as well. Read this in Toyota Tech magazine at work.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Philip®" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3sjUa.1078$e4.970@newsread4.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> >> Yes, 'tis true the diesels and 4.7L V8 gas will attempt to make solid
> >> parts occupy the same space at the same time (crunch). But the
> >> gasoline engines listed for American Tercels are not interference.
> >> --
> >>
> >> Philip
> >>
> >> "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all
> >> tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis
> >> not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves."
> >> - John Locke (1632-1704)
> >>
> >>
> >> tomcas wrote:
> >>> http://yarchive.net/car/timing_belt.html
> >>> I'm not sure of it's accuracy. I seem to recall the toyota diesels
> >>> and one model (must have been the Tercel) that would crash.
> >>>
> >>> Philip® wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article <Np5Ua.941$e4.417@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
> >>>>> "Philip®" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Toyota has been making interference engines for a while. I
> >>>>>>> tested it on my 88 Tercel when I changed its timing belt. The
> >>>>>>> pistons did bump the valves when I hand turned the crankshaft.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> NO Tercel was ever an "interference" design. (3A, 3E, or 5E).
> >>>>>> Did you have a diesel? ;^)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> It was an October 1988 Tercel, 3E (single barrel carb),
> >>>>> drivability mods (didn't help), AC mods, and it absolutely was an
> >>>>> interference engine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ok, then you account for why in the Gates Belt cataloge that NO
> >>>> such distinction exists. We also have our resident career Toyota
> >>>> techinician stating Tercel was only a non-interference engine. ;^)
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=981
> >>>>
> >>>> Click on "Timing Belt Replacement Guide." ONLY vehicles with an
> >>>> asterisk next to the make/model are interference engines.
> >>>>
> >>>> Toyota has a very strong tradition (with a couple exceptions) of
> >>>> their belt drive engines being non interference.
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Philip
> >>>>
> >>>> "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all
> >>>> tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis
> >>>> not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves."
> >>>> - John Locke (1632-1704)
>
>

OOP's, 10.8:1 that is.

"Platil" <sig220@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:BZuUa.149533$N7.20978@sccrnsc03...
> It has a timing belt, and a 10:8 compression ratio.
>
> "Philip®" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:3wqUa.4$Bg.0@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net ...
> > Is this new design (3MZ-FE) chain or belt driven cams?
> > --
> >
> > Philip
> >
> > "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending
> > the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis not to
> > be wondered that they should then rouse themselves."
> > - John Locke (1632-1704)
> >
> > Platil wrote:
> > > Also the new 3.3 liter, 3MZ-FE engine in the Sienna and new Solara is
> > > a valve cruncher as well. Read this in Toyota Tech magazine at work.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Philip®" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3sjUa.1078$e4.970@newsread4.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> > >> Yes, 'tis true the diesels and 4.7L V8 gas will attempt to make solid
> > >> parts occupy the same space at the same time (crunch). But the
> > >> gasoline engines listed for American Tercels are not interference.
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Philip
> > >>
> > >> "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all
> > >> tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis
> > >> not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves."
> > >> - John Locke (1632-1704)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> tomcas wrote:
> > >>> http://yarchive.net/car/timing_belt.html
> > >>> I'm not sure of it's accuracy. I seem to recall the toyota diesels
> > >>> and one model (must have been the Tercel) that would crash.
> > >>>
> > >>> Philip® wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> In article <Np5Ua.941$e4.417@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
> > >>>>> "Philip®" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Toyota has been making interference engines for a while. I
> > >>>>>>> tested it on my 88 Tercel when I changed its timing belt. The
> > >>>>>>> pistons did bump the valves when I hand turned the crankshaft.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> NO Tercel was ever an "interference" design. (3A, 3E, or 5E).
> > >>>>>> Did you have a diesel? ;^)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> It was an October 1988 Tercel, 3E (single barrel carb),
> > >>>>> drivability mods (didn't help), AC mods, and it absolutely was an
> > >>>>> interference engine.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ok, then you account for why in the Gates Belt cataloge that NO
> > >>>> such distinction exists. We also have our resident career Toyota
> > >>>> techinician stating Tercel was only a non-interference engine. ;^)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=981
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Click on "Timing Belt Replacement Guide." ONLY vehicles with an
> > >>>> asterisk next to the make/model are interference engines.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Toyota has a very strong tradition (with a couple exceptions) of
> > >>>> their belt drive engines being non interference.
> > >>>> --
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Philip
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all
> > >>>> tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis
> > >>>> not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves."
> > >>>> - John Locke (1632-1704)
> >
> >
>
>

Where can I get a new Corolla with automatic and a/c for under $11,000.
I would like one.