Honda Car Forum

In article <h_GdnaJC4Pvc-ATfRVn-pw@sedona.net>, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

> "DIANNE BARKER" <devaux56@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:ID8me.3423$zb.3240@trndny06...
> >I wonder why the best engines in the world use chains.
> > or gears not belts.
> > I wonder why all of those trucks that do 500,000 miles before a major
> > overhaul use chains.
> > There must be something to they not trusting belts.
> > Belts are cheaper , quieter and the dealers are guaranteed some schedule
> > maintenance money.
> > They must be replaced at a range of 60 to 100 K miles based on
> > manufacturers recommendation usually owners take them into the dealer for
> > that type of service.
> > I had a new car in 1974 and 50 miles from the dealership the belt slipped
> > and stranded me on the highway.
> >
> > I hope Honda starts to put them on the V6's soon.
> >
> >
> Chains can be engineered to last a long time, but very few in passenger cars
> are. The last car I had that used a chain needed the chain (actually,
> chains) replaced at 90K miles and the car wasn't worth the labor at that
> point. Step one was to remove the engine from the car because there wasn't
> room to remove the cover in the car.
>
> Before there were belts the stories of jumped and broken chains were as
> common as the belt stories today.
>
> Mike

Murphy's law can kick in with belts or chains. It's my belief that in most
cases that a broken belt would do less damage to an engine than a broken
chain. However, I agree with a poster that told me that a broken belt or a
broken chain could destroy an engine in some circumstances.

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Doesn't.. MB , Jag, BMW , use chains there must be a reason and I am sure
they are not low revving high torque diesels..


"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
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> DIANNE BARKER wrote:
>> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
>> newsLWdnbwowIR6cxbfRVn-2A@speakeasy.net...
>>
>>>disallow wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well that sucks. Though I'm not an engineer,
>>>>hopefully Honda had their reasons for doing
>>>>this, and it wasn't just a cave to pressure from
>>>>everyone who is scared of timing belts.
>>>>
>>>>t
>>>>
>>>
>>>i'll bet you that's exactly what /did/ happen. look at all the whining
>>>about belts in recent threads. it's one of those situations where chains
>>>have been out of the picture so long, all the new kids have no experience
>>>with all their problems and think they're some kind of "great new idea".
>>>
>> I wonder why the best engines in the world use chains.
> > or gears not belts.
>
> what engines are those dianne? are you referring to 2500 rpm diesels? are
> you talking head mounted or block mounted cams? how long is the chain
> run? single row?
>
> > I wonder why all of those trucks that do 500,000 miles before a major
> > overhaul use chains.
>
> so you /are/ talking about trucks? you're not talking 100bhp/liter 9000
> rpm honda engines?
>
> > There must be something to they not trusting belts.
>
> that's the same argument that's kept detroit stuck on solid axles for
> about 100 years past their end of life. we don't use horses for traction
> any more, so there's no need to use horse-drawn technology on a car.
>
> > Belts are cheaper , quieter and the dealers are guaranteed some schedule
> > maintenance money.
> > They must be replaced at a range of 60 to 100 K miles based on
> manufacturers
> > recommendation usually owners take them into the dealer for that type of
> > service.
>
> to a manufacturer, the cost between a chain & a belt is practically
> identical. when you factor in fewer oil seals & simpler gasket
> procedures, the chain's probably cheaper.
>
> > I had a new car in 1974 and 50 miles from the dealership the belt
> slipped
> > and stranded me on the highway.
>
> what manufacturer? be specific. by that logic, no one would every fly in
> case a plane crashed.
>
> >
> > I hope Honda starts to put them on the V6's soon.
> >
> >
>
> as stated in other threads, belts offer the substantial advantage of much
> better cam timing. in a higher preformance/low emissions engine, this
> matters. unless chain wear can be compensated for with variable valve
> timing, belts are the way to go.
>