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Old 16 Aug 2010, 11:29 am
Clive
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<elmop-94C4B0.10003916082010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.examp
le.com>, Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> writes
>It started when Honda announced that their auto trans Civic got higher
>gas mileage than their manual trans Civic.

If it's a dual clutch, dual gearbox, setup then it will be more economic
than a conventional, or automatic box. If it's purely an automatic,
can you point me to the year and type please?
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Old 16 Aug 2010, 12:26 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article <QeuuXTHFeWaMFw4W@yewbank.demon.co.uk>,
Clive <clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> >It started when Honda announced that their auto trans Civic got higher
> >gas mileage than their manual trans Civic.

> If it's a dual clutch, dual gearbox, setup then it will be more economic
> than a conventional, or automatic box. If it's purely an automatic,
> can you point me to the year and type please?


AFAIK it's purely an standard hydraulic automatic.

When did the current gen Civic come out? 08? I may be remembering
Honda's advertising from before the EPA tweaked the formula for
estimating gas mileage.

Anyway, Honda currently specifies the highway mileage on the auto as
2mpg more than the stick, leading to an overall average auto mpg that's
identical to the stick.
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Old 16 Aug 2010, 01:09 pm
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Default Re: Ford most-considered brand 2 quarters in row in KBB study

On 08/16/2010 10:26 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<QeuuXTHFeWaMFw4W@yewbank.demon.co.uk>,
> Clive<clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> It started when Honda announced that their auto trans Civic got higher
>>> gas mileage than their manual trans Civic.

>> If it's a dual clutch, dual gearbox, setup then it will be more economic
>> than a conventional, or automatic box. If it's purely an automatic,
>> can you point me to the year and type please?

>
> AFAIK it's purely an standard hydraulic automatic.
>
> When did the current gen Civic come out? 08? I may be remembering
> Honda's advertising from before the EPA tweaked the formula for
> estimating gas mileage.
>
> Anyway, Honda currently specifies the highway mileage on the auto as
> 2mpg more than the stick, leading to an overall average auto mpg that's
> identical to the stick.


electronic throttle makes this possible - doesn't need to rely on
wastage via the torque converter to smooth out shifting. operation is
electronically controlled hydraulic.


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Old 16 Aug 2010, 03:01 pm
Clive
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Default Re: Ford most-considered brand 2 quarters in row in KBB study

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<elmop-02A922.13260016082010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.examp
le.com>, Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> writes
>AFAIK it's purely an standard hydraulic automatic.
>When did the current gen Civic come out? 08? I may be remembering
>Honda's advertising from before the EPA tweaked the formula for
>estimating gas mileage.

You're right, it does give better mileage than the manual, but a Google
reveals that it is a conventional box and clutch setup which is
hydraulically operated.
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Old 16 Aug 2010, 05:03 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article <4SlkkZKpkZaMFwNO@yewbank.demon.co.uk>,
Clive <clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> >AFAIK it's purely an standard hydraulic automatic.
> >When did the current gen Civic come out? 08? I may be remembering
> >Honda's advertising from before the EPA tweaked the formula for
> >estimating gas mileage.

> You're right, it does give better mileage than the manual, but a Google
> reveals that it is a conventional box and clutch setup which is
> hydraulically operated.


It may be different in the UK than the US.
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Old 16 Aug 2010, 07:14 pm
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<elmop-B4B522.18035116082010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.examp
le.com>, Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> writes
>In article <4SlkkZKpkZaMFwNO@yewbank.demon.co.uk>,
> Clive <clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >AFAIK it's purely an standard hydraulic automatic.
>> >When did the current gen Civic come out? 08? I may be remembering
>> >Honda's advertising from before the EPA tweaked the formula for
>> >estimating gas mileage.

>> You're right, it does give better mileage than the manual, but a Google
>> reveals that it is a conventional box and clutch setup which is
>> hydraulically operated.

>It may be different in the UK than the US.

Yes. I know that makers use the same name both sides of the pond for
very different vehicles.
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Old 17 Aug 2010, 01:13 am
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"Clive" <clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:QeuuXTHFeWaMFw4W@yewbank.demon.co.uk...
> In message
> <elmop-94C4B0.10003916082010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.examp
> le.com>, Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> writes
>>It started when Honda announced that their auto trans Civic got higher
>>gas mileage than their manual trans Civic.

> If it's a dual clutch, dual gearbox, setup then it will be more economic
> than a conventional, or automatic box. If it's purely an automatic, can
> you point me to the year and type please?
> --
> Clive
>


In the U.S., many automakers' automatic transmissions have been getting
equal to or better EPA fuel economy than manual transmissions for a while,
even before implementation of dual clutch transmissions and electronic
throttles. Even a "conventional" automatic transmission shifts more quickly
than most people do with manual transmissions; the torque converter allows
an automatic to stay in a higher gear longer than a manual without laboring
the engine; torque multiplication from the TC helps acceleration while the
lockup feature eliminates the inefficiency while cruising; and different
gear and differential ratios all combine to level the fuel economy playing
field between automatics and manual transmissions.

There are several reasons that automatics are now more common than manuals
in the U.S. It is easier to control emissions and fuel economy with an
automatic, which makes the vehicle easier to certify with the EPA; dismal
traffic conditions in large cities have made use of a manual transmission
more work; and it seems as if driver education programs no longer teach use
of a manual transmission.
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Old 17 Aug 2010, 08:23 am
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Ray O wrote:
> "Clive" <clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:QeuuXTHFeWaMFw4W@yewbank.demon.co.uk...
>> In message
>> <elmop-94C4B0.10003916082010@reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.examp
>> le.com>, Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> writes
>>> It started when Honda announced that their auto trans Civic got higher
>>> gas mileage than their manual trans Civic.

>> If it's a dual clutch, dual gearbox, setup then it will be more economic
>> than a conventional, or automatic box. If it's purely an automatic, can
>> you point me to the year and type please?
>> --
>> Clive
>>

>
> In the U.S., many automakers' automatic transmissions have been getting
> equal to or better EPA fuel economy than manual transmissions for a while,
> even before implementation of dual clutch transmissions and electronic
> throttles. Even a "conventional" automatic transmission shifts more quickly
> than most people do with manual transmissions; the torque converter allows
> an automatic to stay in a higher gear longer than a manual without laboring
> the engine; torque multiplication from the TC helps acceleration while the
> lockup feature eliminates the inefficiency while cruising; and different
> gear and differential ratios all combine to level the fuel economy playing
> field between automatics and manual transmissions.
>
> There are several reasons that automatics are now more common than manuals
> in the U.S. It is easier to control emissions and fuel economy with an
> automatic, which makes the vehicle easier to certify with the EPA; dismal
> traffic conditions in large cities have made use of a manual transmission
> more work; and it seems as if driver education programs no longer teach use
> of a manual transmission.


I would add that there are other types of transmission out there,
especially the CVT and semiautomatic, like those in some Ferraris (like
I am going to ever see one other than at the auto show), where the
computer actuates the clutch and matches the engine speed to road speed
and gear for seemless shifts. The CVT is present in a few cars without
hybrid drives (like the Ford Five Hundred) and in almost all cars with a
hybrid drive, like Toyota Prius (the only exception that I know of is
early models of the Honda Civic Hybrid; some trucks and buses also have
hybrid drives and I presume that some of these are manual transmissions).

Jeff
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Old 17 Aug 2010, 07:23 pm
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Default Re: Ford most-considered brand 2 quarters in row in KBB study

> There are several reasons that automatics are now more common than manuals
> in the U.S. It is easier to control emissions and fuel economy with an
> automatic, which makes the vehicle easier to certify with the EPA; dismal
> traffic conditions in large cities have made use of a manual transmission
> more work; and it seems as if driver education programs no longer teach use
> of a manual transmission.


Save the manuals !
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...car_and_driver

Lynn



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