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Old 09 Aug 2010, 08:19 pm
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on the one hand, i should commend whoever did this for replacing the
boot and not wastefully replacing the whole shaft. on the other, they
shouldn't smoke too much weed while doing it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/4877171985/

they forgot to remove the hose clamp. needless to say, the joint didn't
last long.


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Old 10 Aug 2010, 04:04 am
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On Aug 9, 9:19*pm, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> on the one hand, i should commend whoever did this for replacing the
> boot and not wastefully replacing the whole shaft. *on the other, they
> shouldn't smoke too much weed while doing it.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/4877171985/
>
> they forgot to remove the hose clamp. *needless to say, the joint didn't
> last long.
>
> --
> nomina rutrum rutrum


If the boot was split before that stoner put a new one on it's still a
waste of time. The whole joint or axle needs replacing..

What's a hose clamp doing there anyways????
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Old 10 Aug 2010, 07:58 am
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"m6onz5a" <corvair@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> What's a hose clamp doing there anyways????


They used the hose clamp to compress the clip (snap) ring on the
transmission end of the axle shaft. I suppose the theory is that this makes
it easier to plug the axle back into the transmission. You compress the clip
ring using the clamp. As you slide the axle shaft back into the
transmission, the clamp slides down the splines as the snap ring moves into
the transmission gears and eventually "snaps out" to retain the axle. I've
only done a few axles but never needed to do anything like this. Usually the
axles can be bumped back into the transmission without an aide like this.
I've never actually had to do the CV joints on a Honda, so maybe this is a
Honda specific trick.

Ed


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Old 10 Aug 2010, 10:34 am
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On 08/10/2010 02:04 AM, m6onz5a wrote:
> On Aug 9, 9:19�pm, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> on the one hand, i should commend whoever did this for replacing the
>> boot and not wastefully replacing the whole shaft. �on the other, they
>> shouldn't smoke too much weed while doing it.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/4877171985/
>>
>> they forgot to remove the hose clamp. �needless to say, the joint didn't
>> last long.
>>
>> --
>> nomina rutrum rutrum

>
> If the boot was split before that stoner put a new one on it's still a
> waste of time. The whole joint or axle needs replacing..


once it starts making its clacking noise in turns, yes. but if you
catch it before then, and clean it properly [which isn't easy], you can
indeed replace the boot and successfully repair the driveshaft.

ideally though, you should replace the boot before it breaks - regular
inspection allows you to see cracking and how serious it is before it
breaks on the road and allows joint-killing grit to intrude.


>
> What's a hose clamp doing there anyways????


it's not supposed to remain there - it's to compress the retaining ring
and hold it closed so you can reassemble the joint. [then it's supposed
to be removed!] the retaining ring is sprung out and is too large to
pop into place otherwise. and the rzeppa joint carrier doesn't have
ramps on it that would allow insertion without a ring compressor - an
oversight in my opinion.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/2500122861/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/2500122865/


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Old 10 Aug 2010, 10:35 am
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On 08/10/2010 05:58 AM, C. E. White wrote:
> "m6onz5a"<corvair@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:a195a077-595d-400d-b3c7-834366de23c0@y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
>> What's a hose clamp doing there anyways????

>
> They used the hose clamp to compress the clip (snap) ring on the
> transmission end of the axle shaft. I suppose the theory is that this makes
> it easier to plug the axle back into the transmission. You compress the clip
> ring using the clamp. As you slide the axle shaft back into the
> transmission, the clamp slides down the splines as the snap ring moves into
> the transmission gears and eventually "snaps out" to retain the axle. I've
> only done a few axles but never needed to do anything like this. Usually the
> axles can be bumped back into the transmission without an aide like this.
> I've never actually had to do the CV joints on a Honda, so maybe this is a
> Honda specific trick.
>
> Ed
>
>


trying to "blend in" ed? do you think such masquerading actually works?

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Old 10 Aug 2010, 05:57 pm
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jim beam (me@privacy.net) writes:
> On 08/10/2010 02:04 AM, m6onz5a wrote:
>> On Aug 9, 9:19�pm, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> on the one hand, i should commend whoever did this for replacing the
>>> boot and not wastefully replacing the whole shaft. �on the other, they
>>> shouldn't smoke too much weed while doing it.
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/4877171985/
>>>
>>> they forgot to remove the hose clamp. �needless to say, the joint didn't
>>> last long.
>>>
>>> --
>>> nomina rutrum rutrum

>>
>> If the boot was split before that stoner put a new one on it's still a
>> waste of time. The whole joint or axle needs replacing..

>
> once it starts making its clacking noise in turns, yes. but if you
> catch it before then, and clean it properly [which isn't easy], you can
> indeed replace the boot and successfully repair the driveshaft.


>
> ideally though, you should replace the boot before it breaks - regular
> inspection allows you to see cracking and how serious it is before it
> breaks on the road and allows joint-killing grit to intrude.
>


Don't forget water and road salt.


>
>>
>> What's a hose clamp doing there anyways????


>
> it's not supposed to remain there - it's to compress the retaining ring
> and hold it closed so you can reassemble the joint. [then it's supposed
> to be removed!] the retaining ring is sprung out and is too large to
> pop into place otherwise. and the rzeppa joint carrier doesn't have
> ramps on it that would allow insertion without a ring compressor - an
> oversight in my opinion.



Was the clamp making noise?


>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/2500122861/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/2500122865/



Those balls in the joint were junk, right? Or is it just the photo?

A couple of the balls looked like a black and white photo of the
planet Jupiter.


>
>
> --
> nomina rutrum rutrum



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Old 10 Aug 2010, 06:48 pm
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On 08/10/2010 03:57 PM, M.A. Stewart wrote:
> jim beam (me@privacy.net) writes:
>> On 08/10/2010 02:04 AM, m6onz5a wrote:
>>> On Aug 9, 9:19�pm, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> on the one hand, i should commend whoever did this for replacing the
>>>> boot and not wastefully replacing the whole shaft. �on the other, they
>>>> shouldn't smoke too much weed while doing it.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/4877171985/
>>>>
>>>> they forgot to remove the hose clamp. �needless to say, the joint didn't
>>>> last long.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> nomina rutrum rutrum
>>>
>>> If the boot was split before that stoner put a new one on it's still a
>>> waste of time. The whole joint or axle needs replacing..

>>
>> once it starts making its clacking noise in turns, yes. but if you
>> catch it before then, and clean it properly [which isn't easy], you can
>> indeed replace the boot and successfully repair the driveshaft.

>
>>
>> ideally though, you should replace the boot before it breaks - regular
>> inspection allows you to see cracking and how serious it is before it
>> breaks on the road and allows joint-killing grit to intrude.
>>

>
> Don't forget water and road salt.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> What's a hose clamp doing there anyways????

>
>>
>> it's not supposed to remain there - it's to compress the retaining ring
>> and hold it closed so you can reassemble the joint. [then it's supposed
>> to be removed!] the retaining ring is sprung out and is too large to
>> pop into place otherwise. and the rzeppa joint carrier doesn't have
>> ramps on it that would allow insertion without a ring compressor - an
>> oversight in my opinion.

>
>
> Was the clamp making noise?


if you mean that notchy "clunk" each time it was getting caught in the
joint, yes it was.


>
>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/2500122861/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/2500122865/

>
>
> Those balls in the joint were junk, right? Or is it just the photo?
>
> A couple of the balls looked like a black and white photo of the
> planet Jupiter.


junk. that is a dead joint i cleaned up for the photo.

it's a pet peeve of mine that people don't pay attention to joint boots
and just keep driving them till the joint is unrepairable. if you have
the tools, which really aren't very expensive and which pay for
themselves in just one use, boot replacement is quick, simple, and cheap
on a shaft like this. and a damned sight better than cheapo chinese
aftermarket replacement shafts that last barely 30k before their soft
poorly fitting innards start to tear themselves apart. provided they're
not gritted, the joints on oem honda driveshafts can last hundreds of
thousands of miles - just keep an eye on the boots and replace those
boots when they've started to crack. correctly prepared, it takes an
hour from wheel off to wheel back on.


>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> nomina rutrum rutrum

>
>



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Old 13 Aug 2010, 03:28 pm
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On Aug 10, 7:48*pm, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 08/10/2010 03:57 PM, M.A. Stewart wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > jim beam (m...@privacy.net) writes:
> >> On 08/10/2010 02:04 AM, m6onz5a wrote:
> >>> On Aug 9, 9:19 pm, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> * wrote:
> >>>> on the one hand, i should commend whoever did this for replacing the
> >>>> boot and not wastefully replacing the whole shaft. on the other, they
> >>>> shouldn't smoke too much weed while doing it.

>
> >>>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/4877171985/

>
> >>>> they forgot to remove the hose clamp. needless to say, the joint didn't
> >>>> last long.

>
> >>>> --
> >>>> nomina rutrum rutrum

>
> >>> If the boot was split before that stoner put a new one on it's still a
> >>> waste of time. The whole joint or axle needs replacing..

>
> >> once it starts making its clacking noise in turns, yes. *but if you
> >> catch it before then, and clean it properly [which isn't easy], you can
> >> indeed replace the boot and successfully repair the driveshaft.

>
> >> ideally though, you should replace the boot before it breaks - regular
> >> inspection allows you to see cracking and how serious it is before it
> >> breaks on the road and allows joint-killing grit to intrude.

>
> > Don't forget water and road salt.

>
> >>> What's a hose clamp doing there anyways????

>
> >> it's not supposed to remain there - it's to compress the retaining ring
> >> and hold it closed so you can reassemble the joint. *[then it's supposed
> >> to be removed!] *the retaining ring is sprung out and is too large to
> >> pop into place otherwise. *and the rzeppa joint carrier doesn't have
> >> ramps on it that would allow insertion without a ring compressor - an
> >> oversight in my opinion.

>
> > Was the clamp making noise?

>
> if you mean that notchy "clunk" each time it was getting caught in the
> joint, yes it was.
>
>
>
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/2500122861/
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/2500122865/

>
> > Those balls in the joint were junk, right? Or is it just the photo?

>
> > A couple of the balls looked like a black and white photo of the
> > planet Jupiter.

>
> junk. *that is a dead joint i cleaned up for the photo.
>
> it's a pet peeve of mine that people don't pay attention to joint boots
> and just keep driving them till the joint is unrepairable. *if you have
> the tools, which really aren't very expensive and which pay for
> themselves in just one use, boot replacement is quick, simple, and cheap
> on a shaft like this. *and a damned sight better than cheapo chinese
> aftermarket replacement shafts that last barely 30k before their soft
> poorly fitting innards start to tear themselves apart. *provided they're
> not gritted, the joints on oem honda driveshafts can last hundreds of
> thousands of miles - just keep an eye on the boots and replace those
> boots when they've started to crack. *correctly prepared, it takes an
> hour from wheel off to wheel back on.


I don't take the wheels off on VWs unless they are alloys and they are
such that you can't access the hub nut just by popping off a hub cap.

Of course, I haven't had to service a CV joint in ages. Last time I
had one go bad must have been around 2004-ish.

nate

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Old 16 Aug 2010, 07:07 am
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"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 10, 7:48 pm, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> I don't take the wheels off on VWs unless they are alloys and they are
> such that you can't access the hub nut just by popping off a hub cap.


That works on a VW because they bolt the front half shafts to a stub axle
coming out of the tranmsission. Most Japanese and US cars "plug" the half
shafts directly into the transmission. For these you can't get the axle out
of the transmisison unless you release the front upright from the lower
suspension arm so that you can get enough clearance to pull the axle out of
the transmission. You can't release the upright from the lower suspension
member unless you take off the wheel. I like the VW system better.

Ironically, the last time I had to replace a CV joint boot it was on a VW
and that was around 1995 (when my Sister sold her VW and bought a Honda).

Ed


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On 08/13/2010 01:28 PM, N8N wrote:
> On Aug 10, 7:48�pm, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 08/10/2010 03:57 PM, M.A. Stewart wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> jim beam (m...@privacy.net) writes:
>>>> On 08/10/2010 02:04 AM, m6onz5a wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 9, 9:19 pm, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> � wrote:
>>>>>> on the one hand, i should commend whoever did this for replacing the
>>>>>> boot and not wastefully replacing the whole shaft. on the other, they
>>>>>> shouldn't smoke too much weed while doing it.

>>
>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/4877171985/

>>
>>>>>> they forgot to remove the hose clamp. needless to say, the joint didn't
>>>>>> last long.

>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> nomina rutrum rutrum

>>
>>>>> If the boot was split before that stoner put a new one on it's still a
>>>>> waste of time. The whole joint or axle needs replacing..

>>
>>>> once it starts making its clacking noise in turns, yes. �but if you
>>>> catch it before then, and clean it properly [which isn't easy], you can
>>>> indeed replace the boot and successfully repair the driveshaft.

>>
>>>> ideally though, you should replace the boot before it breaks - regular
>>>> inspection allows you to see cracking and how serious it is before it
>>>> breaks on the road and allows joint-killing grit to intrude.

>>
>>> Don't forget water and road salt.

>>
>>>>> What's a hose clamp doing there anyways????

>>
>>>> it's not supposed to remain there - it's to compress the retaining ring
>>>> and hold it closed so you can reassemble the joint. �[then it's supposed
>>>> to be removed!] �the retaining ring is sprung out and is too large to
>>>> pop into place otherwise. �and the rzeppa joint carrier doesn't have
>>>> ramps on it that would allow insertion without a ring compressor - an
>>>> oversight in my opinion.

>>
>>> Was the clamp making noise?

>>
>> if you mean that notchy "clunk" each time it was getting caught in the
>> joint, yes it was.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/2500122861/
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/2500122865/

>>
>>> Those balls in the joint were junk, right? Or is it just the photo?

>>
>>> A couple of the balls looked like a black and white photo of the
>>> planet Jupiter.

>>
>> junk. �that is a dead joint i cleaned up for the photo.
>>
>> it's a pet peeve of mine that people don't pay attention to joint boots
>> and just keep driving them till the joint is unrepairable. �if you have
>> the tools, which really aren't very expensive and which pay for
>> themselves in just one use, boot replacement is quick, simple, and cheap
>> on a shaft like this. �and a damned sight better than cheapo chinese
>> aftermarket replacement shafts that last barely 30k before their soft
>> poorly fitting innards start to tear themselves apart. �provided they're
>> not gritted, the joints on oem honda driveshafts can last hundreds of
>> thousands of miles - just keep an eye on the boots and replace those
>> boots when they've started to crack. �correctly prepared, it takes an
>> hour from wheel off to wheel back on.

>
> I don't take the wheels off on VWs unless they are alloys and they are
> such that you can't access the hub nut just by popping off a hub cap.


if it's fwd, you don't need to take the wheels off. just set the
steering on lock, look at the now exposed boot, then reverse and check
the other side. couldn't be easier.


>
> Of course, I haven't had to service a CV joint in ages. Last time I
> had one go bad must have been around 2004-ish.


the whole point is that you shouldn't "wait for them to go". if you do
the boot when it's evidencing cracking, but before it tears, you don't
have to replace the joints. tools to do the job are cheaper than a new
cv joint, and boots are cheap too.


>
> nate
>



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