Honda Car Forum

<chasa@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> I had my Passport in the shop today, Passports are badge engineered
> Isuzu, I was told that the book says it's time to change the timing
> belt, then I was asked is it 4 or 6 cylinder? I said 6. I was told
> that the 6 is not an "interference" engine so we can let it slide.
>
> There is a time to gamble and a time not to gamble.
>
>
That is a valid sentiment. This question has come up several times in the
alt.autos.volvo group, since many Volvos from the 80s (like mine) are
non-interference. The question comes down to: one of whether the
inconvenience of having to replace a failed belt (not getting where you are
wanting to go on time, probably having the car towed, not having the car for
an unplanned day or two while it is being worked into a schedule and parts
acquired) is more important than the potential savings of stretching the
change interval. The upshot: to each their own. Personally, I change mine
roughly on schedule.

Mike

chasa@rcn.com wrote:
> Let me quote a "Warning" from my Honda Accord maintained book.
>
> Severe engine damage will occur if the timing belt should break.
> Honda uses an "interference" engine design. If the timing belt
> breaks, the valves will contact the pistons and likely become damaged.
>
> I had my Passport in the shop today, Passports are badge engineered
> Isuzu, I was told that the book says it's time to change the timing
> belt, then I was asked is it 4 or 6 cylinder? I said 6. I was told
> that the 6 is not an "interference" engine so we can let it slide.
>
> There is a time to gamble and a time not to gamble.

That may be true. But if it says it is time to change the belt, then it
is time to change the belt. You'll end up having to do it now at some
very inconvenient time in your life, according to Murphy.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:02:04 GMT, "RJ"
<cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I want to hear about people's experience about this, how long a timing can
>last in a 2000 Accord LX ?
>
>I know 80,000 Miles is recommended, but if you go over say 110,000 is it
>still safe ?
>
>Thanks
>

I have been thru this recently myself. I wrote the
91 Prelude timing belt break.

If I knew what I know now, I wouldn't go past
110,000 miles on a timing belt and that's going
far past conservative estimate of life expectancy
of timing belt. I went 187,000 miles. Now I'm
paying over $1000 in engine repairs. I had 4 bent
valves and 2 broken valve guides.

A local shop is working on the head, looks like
about $500. I am taking the engine block to them
too and expect that to cost another $300.

New timing belt, alternator belt, pwr steering
belt - $80 at NAPA.

Gasket set - $180 (included oil pan gasket)

Tools so far - $75

The car was running like a champ before timing
belt broke. I hope to have it back together
sometime in May. Luckily I have a 2nd car to
drive.

Posting this just for info purposes.

This timing belt debate is an old one. The manufacturer's recommendation
of 60k (or 80k w/some cars) is indeed conservative, but to try to go twice
either of those numbers is just plain foolish, not to mention expensive.

If it's a car you plan to keep, I would have the T-belt replaced at or
before 100k. If it's one you plan to eventually sell, i.e., within the
next year or so, I wouldn't spend the money unless the vehicle is
mission-critical to your daily tasks and you simply cannot afford to
replace the car right now or have it crap out on you unexpectedly. At 120k
miles (or more) I would either replace the belt immediately or sell the
car immediately. At 120k or greater the original T-belt is, IMO, a ticking
bomb.

However... Contrary to what the dealership may try to tell you, I don't
believe in replacing the T-belt solely based on the age of the car.
However, any major work that requires going in that deep, always replace
the T-belt and any other nearby 'wear' items while you're there.

In article <h1uu41tud1eeimuj5ipdcdssu76tpla14o@4ax.com> san luis
<sl@flex.com> writes:

>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:02:04 GMT, "RJ"
><cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>I want to hear about people's experience about this, how long a timing can
>>last in a 2000 Accord LX ?

>>I know 80,000 Miles is recommended, but if you go over say 110,000 is it
>>still safe ?

>>Thanks

>I have been thru this recently myself. I wrote the
>91 Prelude timing belt break.

>If I knew what I know now, I wouldn't go past
>110,000 miles on a timing belt and that's going
>far past conservative estimate of life expectancy
>of timing belt. I went 187,000 miles. Now I'm
>paying over $1000 in engine repairs. I had 4 bent
>valves and 2 broken valve guides.

>A local shop is working on the head, looks like
>about $500. I am taking the engine block to them
>too and expect that to cost another $300.

>New timing belt, alternator belt, pwr steering
>belt - $80 at NAPA.

>Gasket set - $180 (included oil pan gasket)

>Tools so far - $75

>The car was running like a champ before timing
>belt broke. I hope to have it back together
>sometime in May. Luckily I have a 2nd car to
>drive.

>Posting this just for info purposes.

Bubba says...

> However... Contrary to what the dealership may try to
> tell you, I don't believe in replacing the T-belt solely
> based on the age of the car. However, any major work
> that requires going in that deep, always replace the
> T-belt and any other nearby 'wear' items while you're
> there.

How would you feel about a '94 Accord with 48,000 miles? If
not now, when?

Also, if now, what about related stuff (water pump, etc.)
at 48,000 miles? Any need to do that as well?

I'll have the car for several more years, at least.

"Peabody" <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Bubba says...
>
> > However... Contrary to what the dealership may try to
> > tell you, I don't believe in replacing the T-belt solely
> > based on the age of the car. However, any major work
> > that requires going in that deep, always replace the
> > T-belt and any other nearby 'wear' items while you're
> > there.
>
> How would you feel about a '94 Accord with 48,000 miles? If
> not now, when?

Well, they say in addition to mileage, 5 or 6 years, which you are well
over. Sometimes these things do deteriote over time.

> Also, if now, what about related stuff (water pump, etc.)
> at 48,000 miles? Any need to do that as well?

People usually do the water pump at the same time as most of the labor is
duplicated.

> I'll have the car for several more years, at least.

Then that should really be the deciding factor. An investment of much less
than a major repair now to avoid a major repair in the future.

In article <MaZ3e.106835$SF.59795@lakeread08> Peabody
<waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> writes:


>How would you feel about a '94 Accord with 48,000 miles? If
>not now, when?

If you're absolutely sure the miles are right, then not before 60k but in
any event by or before 100k. Keep everything else maintained regularly
(proper fluid levels). If you want to spend some money on something have
the radiator/cooling system backflushed

>Also, if now, what about related stuff (water pump, etc.)
>at 48,000 miles? Any need to do that as well?

When you do the T-belt do everything else in reach.

>I'll have the car for several more years, at least.

can you give me a list of everything that is in reach? i am at 85k with my
2000 honda accord EX v6. I'm getting the timing belt changed this weekend.
However, i want to know what else they should change at the same time. p.s.
they quoted me $400-$500. is that a good price? im in southern california.





"Bubba" <wdg@[204.52.135.1]> wrote in message
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> In article <MaZ3e.106835$SF.59795@lakeread08> Peabody
> <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>
>>How would you feel about a '94 Accord with 48,000 miles? If
>>not now, when?
>
> If you're absolutely sure the miles are right, then not before 60k but in
> any event by or before 100k. Keep everything else maintained regularly
> (proper fluid levels). If you want to spend some money on something have
> the radiator/cooling system backflushed
>
>>Also, if now, what about related stuff (water pump, etc.)
>>at 48,000 miles? Any need to do that as well?
>
> When you do the T-belt do everything else in reach.
>
>>I'll have the car for several more years, at least.
>

accord v6 timing belt doesnt need changing,as far as a dealer here is
concerned,until 168,000 kilometers.I was told this last week,I have a
2001,but I think that wouldnt make a difference.
Maybe you are being extra cautious,and there is nothing wrong with
that...just thought I would pass that on to you.

"James" <See.My.Sig@The.Bottom.com> wrote in message
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> can you give me a list of everything that is in reach? i am at 85k with my
> 2000 honda accord EX v6. I'm getting the timing belt changed this weekend.
> However, i want to know what else they should change at the same time.
p.s.
> they quoted me $400-$500. is that a good price? im in southern california.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bubba" <wdg@[204.52.135.1]> wrote in message
> news:98315192q3jgvhku6pp5kla2ukvp846hsb@4ax.com...
> > In article <MaZ3e.106835$SF.59795@lakeread08> Peabody
> > <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> >
> >>How would you feel about a '94 Accord with 48,000 miles? If
> >>not now, when?
> >
> > If you're absolutely sure the miles are right, then not before 60k but
in
> > any event by or before 100k. Keep everything else maintained regularly
> > (proper fluid levels). If you want to spend some money on something have
> > the radiator/cooling system backflushed
> >
> >>Also, if now, what about related stuff (water pump, etc.)
> >>at 48,000 miles? Any need to do that as well?
> >
> > When you do the T-belt do everything else in reach.
> >
> >>I'll have the car for several more years, at least.
> >
>
>