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Old 28 Jun 2010, 09:30 pm
JRE
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Default Service Indicator Stuck, Part II

The service indicator's stuck again on my 1991 Accord, at 224K. It's
been a couple hundred miles now and it still refuses to reset when the
key is pushed into the reset slog. In a couple hundred more, I'll just
put the mileage when the oil change is due on a sticker like the good
ol' days. But just out of curiosity: Anyone happen to trip across an
explanation other than "age and wear"?

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Old 14 Jul 2010, 09:10 pm
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JRE wrote:
> The service indicator's stuck again on my 1991 Accord, at 224K. It's
> been a couple hundred miles now and it still refuses to reset when the
> key is pushed into the reset slot. In a couple hundred more, I'll just
> put the mileage when the oil change is due on a sticker like the good
> ol' days. But just out of curiosity: Anyone happen to trip across an
> explanation other than "age and wear"?
>


Update: A sharp rap on the dashboard enabled it to be reset. (I knew it
was something mechanical, so I just had to try. ;-) It's green
again...at least, for 7K miles or so...

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Old 15 Jul 2010, 11:19 am
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Default Re: Service Indicator Stuck, Part II

Good update.

I have been reading about and also maintained Hondas for about a
decade now. My impression is that the main problems of middle aged and
older Hondas are aged electrical connections. Soldered joints are
typically the problem. Engine and tranny wear is far less likely.

Maybe the problem is that soldering technology is not at the point
that most soldered joints exposed to heat cycling like that seen in a
car can be guaranteed beyond about ten years.
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Old 15 Jul 2010, 11:26 am
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On 07/15/2010 09:19 AM, Elle wrote:
> Good update.
>
> I have been reading about and also maintained Hondas for about a
> decade now. My impression is that the main problems of middle aged and
> older Hondas are aged electrical connections. Soldered joints are
> typically the problem. Engine and tranny wear is far less likely.
>
> Maybe the problem is that soldering technology is not at the point
> that most soldered joints exposed to heat cycling like that seen in a
> car can be guaranteed beyond about ten years.


that service indicator is mechanical, not electrical. it works just
like the trip counter reset.


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Old 15 Jul 2010, 11:43 am
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On Jul 15, 10:26*am, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 07/15/2010 09:19 AM, Elle wrote:
>
> > Good update.

>
> > I have been reading about and also maintained Hondas for about a
> > decade now. My impression is that the main problems of middle aged and
> > older Hondas are aged electrical connections. Soldered joints are
> > typically the problem. Engine and tranny wear is far less likely.

>
> > Maybe the problem is that soldering technology is not at the point
> > that most soldered joints exposed to heat cycling like that seen in a
> > car can be guaranteed beyond about ten years.

>
> that service indicator is mechanical,


The light is electrical. It may be set off by the odometer, and I
agree there may be a failing in the mechanical signaling system, but
there is still an electrical connection. Either may be at fault here.

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Old 15 Jul 2010, 11:50 am
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On 07/15/2010 09:43 AM, Elle wrote:
> On Jul 15, 10:26´┐Żam, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 07/15/2010 09:19 AM, Elle wrote:
>>
>>> Good update.

>>
>>> I have been reading about and also maintained Hondas for about a
>>> decade now. My impression is that the main problems of middle aged and
>>> older Hondas are aged electrical connections. Soldered joints are
>>> typically the problem. Engine and tranny wear is far less likely.

>>
>>> Maybe the problem is that soldering technology is not at the point
>>> that most soldered joints exposed to heat cycling like that seen in a
>>> car can be guaranteed beyond about ten years.

>>
>> that service indicator is mechanical,

>
> The light is electrical. It may be set off by the odometer, and I
> agree there may be a failing in the mechanical signaling system, but
> there is still an electrical connection. Either may be at fault here.
>


what light? it's a little disk with green, yellow, and red bits on it.
it rotates with mileage.

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Old 15 Jul 2010, 07:23 pm
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Elle <honda.lioness@gmail.com> wrote in news:b2b41bc6-4eb9-4809-bbe6-
e355e49ad93b@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:

> Good update.
>
> I have been reading about and also maintained Hondas for about a
> decade now. My impression is that the main problems of middle aged and
> older Hondas are aged electrical connections. Soldered joints are
> typically the problem. Engine and tranny wear is far less likely.
>
> Maybe the problem is that soldering technology is not at the point
> that most soldered joints exposed to heat cycling like that seen in a
> car can be guaranteed beyond about ten years.




This one actually a little plastic wheel that turns with the odometer. The
reset mechanism is identical to that used for the trip odometer, just
operated with the ignition key, not with a pushrod. Same as with the trip
odo, you use it enough and it breaks.



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Old 15 Jul 2010, 07:48 pm
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Elle wrote:
> On Jul 15, 10:26 am, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 07/15/2010 09:19 AM, Elle wrote:
>>
>>> Good update.
>>> I have been reading about and also maintained Hondas for about a
>>> decade now. My impression is that the main problems of middle aged and
>>> older Hondas are aged electrical connections. Soldered joints are
>>> typically the problem. Engine and tranny wear is far less likely.
>>> Maybe the problem is that soldering technology is not at the point
>>> that most soldered joints exposed to heat cycling like that seen in a
>>> car can be guaranteed beyond about ten years.

>> that service indicator is mechanical,

>
> The light is electrical. It may be set off by the odometer, and I
> agree there may be a failing in the mechanical signaling system, but
> there is still an electrical connection. Either may be at fault here.
>



The wonderful world of plastics... Not one of the trip odometers on my
gen II Civics work.

JT

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Old 15 Jul 2010, 08:06 pm
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Tegger wrote:
> Elle<honda.lioness@gmail.com> wrote in news:b2b41bc6-4eb9-4809-bbe6-
> e355e49ad93b@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Good update.
>>
>> I have been reading about and also maintained Hondas for about a
>> decade now. My impression is that the main problems of middle aged and
>> older Hondas are aged electrical connections. Soldered joints are
>> typically the problem. Engine and tranny wear is far less likely.
>>
>> Maybe the problem is that soldering technology is not at the point
>> that most soldered joints exposed to heat cycling like that seen in a
>> car can be guaranteed beyond about ten years.

>
> This one actually a little plastic wheel that turns with the odometer. The
> reset mechanism is identical to that used for the trip odometer, just
> operated with the ignition key, not with a pushrod. Same as with the trip
> odo, you use it enough and it breaks.


Tegger's right about it being mechanical.

Perhaps interestingly, the trip odometer is reset every time I fill the
gas tank, far more often than the service indicator. It seems possible
that the opposite is the problem--that the service indicator does not
get reset often enough to keep it clear of accumulated dust over a
nearly 20-year period, for example, and the infrequency of use (once
every 7500 miles vs. once every 350-400 miles) is the root of the
problem. As my lathe reminded me yesterday, many mechanical devices
just hate to sit around...

Maybe I'll spray some Teflon around the edges of the reset slot and see
whether the thing wants to reset next time without rapping on the dash.

As far as the engine and transmission go, most of the stuff on this car
seems likely to outlast the body, which weighs a bit less, it seems,
every day. ;-)

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Old 15 Jul 2010, 09:43 pm
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Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> Elle <honda.lion...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Maybe the problem is that soldering technology is not at the point
> > that most soldered joints exposed to heat cycling like that seen in a
> > car can be guaranteed beyond about ten years.

>
> This one actually a little plastic wheel that turns with the odometer.


My boo-boo. Got it now, thanks.
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