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Old 11 Jun 2010, 10:42 pm
jim beam
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Default pedants corner: owners manual on honda oil level checking procedure

from
http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/assets/...HondaCivic.pdf

in the chapter titled "Service Station Procedures", we find on on page 166:

"Check the engine oil level every time you fill the car with fuel. Wait
a few
minutes after turning the engine off before you check the oil."

then, in my hard copy of the 1989 civic manual, in the chapter titled
"engine oil and filter", we find on page 60:

"checking.
check the engine oil a couple of minutes after shutting the engine off,
with the car parked on level ground."

both seem clear and unequivocal to me.

so, why do people so adamantly resist even reading this stuff, let alone
following it? is it just a tradition thing like changing oil every 3k
miles? do people think they know better than the guys that made the car
in the first place? or is it an inability to admit they can't be
bothered to educate themselves on their multi-kilo-dollar investments
properly? or do they think anyone pointing out something that
challenges their previously unquestioned "faith" is a bullshitter and so
simply shut their intellectual doors?

humans - they're incredible and weird.


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Old 11 Jun 2010, 11:27 pm
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On 6/11/2010 10:42 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:

> from
> http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/assets/...HondaCivic.pdf
>
> in the chapter titled "Service Station Procedures", we find on on page 166:
>
> "Check the engine oil level every time you fill the car with fuel. Wait
> a few
> minutes after turning the engine off before you check the oil."
>
> then, in my hard copy of the 1989 civic manual, in the chapter titled
> "engine oil and filter", we find on page 60:
>
> "checking.
> check the engine oil a couple of minutes after shutting the engine off,
> with the car parked on level ground."
>
> both seem clear and unequivocal to me.
>
> so, why do people so adamantly resist even reading this stuff, let alone
> following it? is it just a tradition thing like changing oil every 3k
> miles? do people think they know better than the guys that made the car
> in the first place? or is it an inability to admit they can't be
> bothered to educate themselves on their multi-kilo-dollar investments
> properly? or do they think anyone pointing out something that
> challenges their previously unquestioned "faith" is a bullshitter and so
> simply shut their intellectual doors?
>
> humans - they're incredible and weird.
>
>

I explained it to you, nicely, you stupid cocksucker. Why do you keep
asking? This truly isn't a rhetorical question: why don't you simply
shut the **** up? You've demonstrated that you're too goddamn stupid to
learn, and pretty much everyone knows what an asshat you are.

What in the world could possibly motivate you to continue to flaunt your
stupidity in public? There must surely be some sort of motivation, even
if normal humans would have a difficult time understanding it.

For the love of god, you ignorant, nose-picking, shit-licking random
****face, why don't you just shut up?


RFT!!!
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Old 11 Jun 2010, 11:35 pm
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Default Re: pedants corner: owners manual on honda oil level checking procedure

On 06/11/2010 09:27 PM, Dave Kelsen wrote:
> On 6/11/2010 10:42 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> from
>> http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/assets/...HondaCivic.pdf
>>
>>
>> in the chapter titled "Service Station Procedures", we find on on page
>> 166:
>>
>> "Check the engine oil level every time you fill the car with fuel.
>> Wait a few
>> minutes after turning the engine off before you check the oil."
>>
>> then, in my hard copy of the 1989 civic manual, in the chapter titled
>> "engine oil and filter", we find on page 60:
>>
>> "checking.
>> check the engine oil a couple of minutes after shutting the engine
>> off, with the car parked on level ground."
>>
>> both seem clear and unequivocal to me.
>>
>> so, why do people so adamantly resist even reading this stuff, let
>> alone following it? is it just a tradition thing like changing oil
>> every 3k miles? do people think they know better than the guys that
>> made the car in the first place? or is it an inability to admit they
>> can't be bothered to educate themselves on their multi-kilo-dollar
>> investments properly? or do they think anyone pointing out something
>> that challenges their previously unquestioned "faith" is a bullshitter
>> and so simply shut their intellectual doors?
>>
>> humans - they're incredible and weird.
>>
>>

> I explained it to you, nicely, you stupid cocksucker. Why do you keep
> asking? This truly isn't a rhetorical question: why don't you simply
> shut the **** up? You've demonstrated that you're too goddamn stupid to
> learn, and pretty much everyone knows what an asshat you are.
>
> What in the world could possibly motivate you to continue to flaunt your
> stupidity in public? There must surely be some sort of motivation, even
> if normal humans would have a difficult time understanding it.
>
> For the love of god, you ignorant, nose-picking, shit-licking random
> ****face, why don't you just shut up?
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen



when you're done, what does it say in /your/ honda owner manuals dave?
this is not a rhetorical question.


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Old 12 Jun 2010, 11:38 am
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On Jun 11, 11:42*pm, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> fromhttp://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/assets/OWNERLINK/model/own_man/2001Honda....
>
> in the chapter titled "Service Station Procedures", we find on on page 166:
>
> "Check the engine oil level every time you fill the car with fuel. Wait
> a few
> minutes after turning the engine off before you check the oil."


NOBODY does this.
Telling people to check their oil at EVERY fill up is stupid, everyone
knows it's stupid so it is ignored.
Except by you.

Meantime if anyone wants to check their oil first thing in the
morning, they'll get nearly the same reading as at the gas station so
long as the car was parked on level ground. And they won't need a
wipe. And they can check their tire pressures when the tires are cold
- something you can't do at the gas station.

Now if you were to read the section on checking transmission fluid and
it were to say it should be checked with the transmission fluid at
operating temperature then you could go on to say something about
check engine oil right after checking the trans. But I doubt many
owners could locate the trans fluid so this would be another waste of
time - in other words, right up your alley.

>
> humans - they're incredible and weird.
>

and some are pedantic.

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Old 12 Jun 2010, 04:24 pm
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Default Re: pedants corner: owners manual on honda oil level checking procedure

In article
<7e5ecf40-57bb-421b-99e3-8c3213062237@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
ACAR <dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > in the chapter titled "Service Station Procedures", we find on on page 166:
> >
> > "Check the engine oil level every time you fill the car with fuel. Wait
> > a few
> > minutes after turning the engine off before you check the oil."

>
> NOBODY does this.
> Telling people to check their oil at EVERY fill up is stupid, everyone
> knows it's stupid so it is ignored.


by stupid people...
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Old 13 Jun 2010, 11:40 am
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On 06/12/2010 02:24 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article
> <7e5ecf40-57bb-421b-99e3-8c3213062237@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> ACAR<dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> in the chapter titled "Service Station Procedures", we find on on page 166:
>>>
>>> "Check the engine oil level every time you fill the car with fuel. Wait
>>> a few
>>> minutes after turning the engine off before you check the oil."

>>
>> NOBODY does this.
>> Telling people to check their oil at EVERY fill up is stupid, everyone
>> knows it's stupid so it is ignored.

>
> by stupid people...


news at 10: f.a.a. decides that airlines can dispense with "safety
checks". the new standard of "well, it seemed to be ok last time we
used it" is now considered sufficient for the nation's air fleet.
spokesperson for a.l.p.a., mr brain acar, told reporters that members
were "thrilled the stupidity is over" and that they were looking forward
to "just getting on with flying".

under this rule change, airlines from the former soviet union member
states and greater africa will now also be able to crash within u.s.
airspace for the first time.


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Old 13 Jun 2010, 04:01 pm
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jim beam wrote:

> On 06/12/2010 02:24 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> > In article
> > <7e5ecf40-57bb-421b-99e3-8c3213062237@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> > ACAR<dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> in the chapter titled "Service Station Procedures", we find on on page 166:
> >>>
> >>> "Check the engine oil level every time you fill the car with fuel. Wait
> >>> a few
> >>> minutes after turning the engine off before you check the oil."
> >>
> >> NOBODY does this.
> >> Telling people to check their oil at EVERY fill up is stupid, everyone
> >> knows it's stupid so it is ignored.

> >
> > by stupid people...

>
> news at 10: f.a.a. decides that airlines can dispense with "safety
> checks". the new standard of "well, it seemed to be ok last time we
> used it" is now considered sufficient for the nation's air fleet.
> spokesperson for a.l.p.a., mr brain acar, told reporters that members
> were "thrilled the stupidity is over" and that they were looking forward
> to "just getting on with flying".
>
> under this rule change, airlines from the former soviet union member
> states and greater africa will now also be able to crash within u.s.
> airspace for the first time.
>




I checked my oil yesterday at a gas station about 2 minutes after turning the
engine off. I checked it again this morning after it sat all night. The level on
the dipstick was the same.

If I repeat this experiment a hundred times will I get a different result?

-jim

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Old 14 Jun 2010, 10:19 am
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On 06/13/2010 02:01 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> On 06/12/2010 02:24 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <7e5ecf40-57bb-421b-99e3-8c3213062237@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>>> ACAR<dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> in the chapter titled "Service Station Procedures", we find on on page 166:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Check the engine oil level every time you fill the car with fuel. Wait
>>>>> a few
>>>>> minutes after turning the engine off before you check the oil."
>>>>
>>>> NOBODY does this.
>>>> Telling people to check their oil at EVERY fill up is stupid, everyone
>>>> knows it's stupid so it is ignored.
>>>
>>> by stupid people...

>>
>> news at 10: f.a.a. decides that airlines can dispense with "safety
>> checks". the new standard of "well, it seemed to be ok last time we
>> used it" is now considered sufficient for the nation's air fleet.
>> spokesperson for a.l.p.a., mr brain acar, told reporters that members
>> were "thrilled the stupidity is over" and that they were looking forward
>> to "just getting on with flying".
>>
>> under this rule change, airlines from the former soviet union member
>> states and greater africa will now also be able to crash within u.s.
>> airspace for the first time.
>>

>
>
>
> I checked my oil yesterday at a gas station about 2 minutes after turning the
> engine off. I checked it again this morning after it sat all night. The level on
> the dipstick was the same.


you found time to do this after you'd finished sniffing the seats in
your school bus?


>
> If I repeat this experiment a hundred times will I get a different result?


in your case, that is a psychometric challenge, not a statistical challenge.


>
> -jim
>



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Old 14 Jun 2010, 11:09 am
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"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:EbudnXjE19ugn47RnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> from
> http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/assets/...HondaCivic.pdf
>
> in the chapter titled "Service Station Procedures", we find on on
> page 166:
>
> "Check the engine oil level every time you fill the car with fuel.
> Wait a few
> minutes after turning the engine off before you check the oil."
>
> then, in my hard copy of the 1989 civic manual, in the chapter
> titled "engine oil and filter", we find on page 60:
>
> "checking.
> check the engine oil a couple of minutes after shutting the engine
> off, with the car parked on level ground."
>
> both seem clear and unequivocal to me.
>
> so, why do people so adamantly resist even reading this stuff, let
> alone following it? is it just a tradition thing like changing oil
> every 3k miles? do people think they know better than the guys that
> made the car in the first place? or is it an inability to admit
> they can't be bothered to educate themselves on their
> multi-kilo-dollar investments properly? or do they think anyone
> pointing out something that challenges their previously unquestioned
> "faith" is a bullshitter and so simply shut their intellectual
> doors?
>
> humans - they're incredible and weird.


While I agree it is clear and unequivocal to me, it also seems and
excessive and a ridiculous requirement. Would you really want a car
that needs to have the oil checked every 300 miles?

This seems like a sorty of "I told you so," "cover my ass sort of
requirment." Do you think the engineers at Honda expect the vast
majority of owners to checek their oil every 300 miles (or less)? If
so, then they are idiots who should not be designing cars. And if the
product is so failure prone, that checking the oil that often is
actually necessary, who would be dumb enough to buy one?

Maybe the hope is that if you tell them to do it every fuel stop,
mabye they will do it once and a while - which would be a vast
improvement over what many owners do today.

Ed


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Old 14 Jun 2010, 12:05 pm
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On 06/14/2010 09:09 AM, C. E. White wrote:
> "jim beam"<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:EbudnXjE19ugn47RnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> from
>> http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/assets/...HondaCivic.pdf
>>
>> in the chapter titled "Service Station Procedures", we find on on
>> page 166:
>>
>> "Check the engine oil level every time you fill the car with fuel.
>> Wait a few
>> minutes after turning the engine off before you check the oil."
>>
>> then, in my hard copy of the 1989 civic manual, in the chapter
>> titled "engine oil and filter", we find on page 60:
>>
>> "checking.
>> check the engine oil a couple of minutes after shutting the engine
>> off, with the car parked on level ground."
>>
>> both seem clear and unequivocal to me.
>>
>> so, why do people so adamantly resist even reading this stuff, let
>> alone following it? is it just a tradition thing like changing oil
>> every 3k miles? do people think they know better than the guys that
>> made the car in the first place? or is it an inability to admit
>> they can't be bothered to educate themselves on their
>> multi-kilo-dollar investments properly? or do they think anyone
>> pointing out something that challenges their previously unquestioned
>> "faith" is a bullshitter and so simply shut their intellectual
>> doors?
>>
>> humans - they're incredible and weird.

>
> While I agree it is clear and unequivocal to me, it also seems and
> excessive and a ridiculous requirement. Would you really want a car
> that needs to have the oil checked every 300 miles?
>
> This seems like a sorty of "I told you so," "cover my ass sort of
> requirment." Do you think the engineers at Honda expect the vast
> majority of owners to checek their oil every 300 miles (or less)? If
> so, then they are idiots who should not be designing cars. And if the
> product is so failure prone, that checking the oil that often is
> actually necessary, who would be dumb enough to buy one?


typical ed - total perversion of reality. but if we run with that kind
of logical bullshitting, who would be dumb enough to buy a vehicle where
the manufacturer /doesn't/ want you to regularly check under the hood?
are they trying to prevent you from keeping the car on the road, not
buying another vehicle because this one has been allowed to fail?


>
> Maybe the hope is that if you tell them to do it every fuel stop,
> mabye they will do it once and a while - which would be a vast
> improvement over what many owners do today.


yeah. like hoping people will read the owners manual and actually pay
attention, not disregard it for superstition and witch-doctry.


>
> Ed
>
>


bottom line is that while even i, anal pedant though i am, don't check
the oil every single time, the advice is still sound and there for very
important reason - if there is a problem [let's say the primate at iffy
lube forgot to tighten the drain plug properly] there is a chance you
will catch it before there is serious damage. afterall, you paid many
kilodollars to buy this vehicle, and a failure of this nature isn't
covered on insurance, so who can justify [or afford] a cavalier attitude
of disregard???


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