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Old 05 May 2010, 10:23 am
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Default kinda ot, but kinda not: political action required

http://capwiz.com/righttorepair/home/

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Old 05 May 2010, 10:25 am
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On 05/05/2010 08:23 AM, jim beam wrote:
> http://capwiz.com/righttorepair/home/
>


better link
http://righttorepair.org/about/default.aspx


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Old 05 May 2010, 08:37 pm
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"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On 05/05/2010 08:23 AM, jim beam wrote:
>> http://capwiz.com/righttorepair/home/
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> better link
> http://righttorepair.org/about/default.aspx
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Good. I hope it passes....


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Old 05 May 2010, 09:22 pm
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"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> better link
> http://righttorepair.org/about/default.aspx


Which congressmen sponsor this bill? Are manufacturers and their dealers
strongly opposing it?

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Old 06 May 2010, 07:08 am
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On Wed, 5 May 2010 19:22:18 -0700, "Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> better link
>> http://righttorepair.org/about/default.aspx

>
>Which congressmen sponsor this bill? Are manufacturers and their dealers
>strongly opposing it?


It looked like about 3:1 Dem:Rep - that almost makes it bipartisan. I
would place a fairly large bet on the manufacturers and dealers
opposing it.
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Old 06 May 2010, 09:25 am
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On 05/06/2010 05:08 AM, dgk wrote:
> On Wed, 5 May 2010 19:22:18 -0700, "Cameo"<cameo@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> "jim beam"<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> better link
>>> http://righttorepair.org/about/default.aspx

>>
>> Which congressmen sponsor this bill? Are manufacturers and their dealers
>> strongly opposing it?

>
> It looked like about 3:1 Dem:Rep - that almost makes it bipartisan. I
> would place a fairly large bet on the manufacturers and dealers
> opposing it.


absolutely - manufacturers and dealers have done everything they can to
eviscerate the original obd legislation with their own "tier two"
proprietary codes. and, iirc, braking and transmission systems are not
covered.

the whole thing needs to be updated and open repair diagnostics
mandatory, including commercial diesels which i believe are completely
closed.

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Old 06 May 2010, 10:23 am
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jim beam wrote:
> On 05/05/2010 08:23 AM, jim beam wrote:
>> http://capwiz.com/righttorepair/home/
>>

>
> better link
> http://righttorepair.org/about/default.aspx
>
>




Hmmmmph!

Why would congress ever consider legislation that empowers the people?

JT

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Old 06 May 2010, 02:09 pm
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"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:hrt93k$ipo$1@news.eternal-
september.org:

> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> better link
>> http://righttorepair.org/about/default.aspx

>
> Which congressmen sponsor this bill? Are manufacturers and their dealers
> strongly opposing it?
>
>




Honda already has https://techinfo.honda.com .

This site has provided, for some time now, and to any US billing address,
exactly what is available to US dealerships. And as of very recently, now
it even works for Canadians. I bought a three-day subscription so I could
poke around to see how it all worked (I've got until 12:41pm EDT tomorrow
before the subscription runs out).

I think this "Right to Repair" thing is pointless.

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Old 06 May 2010, 02:36 pm
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On 05/06/2010 12:09 PM, Tegger wrote:
> "Cameo"<cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:hrt93k$ipo$1@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>> "jim beam"<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> better link
>>> http://righttorepair.org/about/default.aspx

>>
>> Which congressmen sponsor this bill? Are manufacturers and their dealers
>> strongly opposing it?
>>
>>

>
>
>
> Honda already has https://techinfo.honda.com .
>
> This site has provided, for some time now, and to any US billing address,
> exactly what is available to US dealerships. And as of very recently, now
> it even works for Canadians. I bought a three-day subscription so I could
> poke around to see how it all worked (I've got until 12:41pm EDT tomorrow
> before the subscription runs out).
>
> I think this "Right to Repair" thing is pointless.
>


maybe "pointless" for honda, but it's not for others. bmw wouldn't let
you even open the hood if they had their way about it.

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Old 06 May 2010, 04:50 pm
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jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
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> On 05/06/2010 12:09 PM, Tegger wrote:
>> "Cameo"<cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>> news:hrt93k$ipo$1@news.eternal- september.org:
>>
>>> "jim beam"<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> better link
>>>> http://righttorepair.org/about/default.aspx
>>>
>>> Which congressmen sponsor this bill? Are manufacturers and their
>>> dealers strongly opposing it?
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> Honda already has https://techinfo.honda.com .
>>
>> This site has provided, for some time now, and to any US billing
>> address, exactly what is available to US dealerships. And as of very
>> recently, now it even works for Canadians. I bought a three-day
>> subscription so I could poke around to see how it all worked (I've
>> got until 12:41pm EDT tomorrow before the subscription runs out).
>>
>> I think this "Right to Repair" thing is pointless.
>>

>
> maybe "pointless" for honda, but it's not for others. bmw wouldn't
> let you even open the hood if they had their way about it.
>



BMW has a Techinfo site:
http://www.bmwtechinfo.com/
Subscription is $30 for 1 day!!

I did a bit of Googling using these terms:
techinfo <name of automaker brand>

Looks like just about everybody has a Techinfo site now.

I remember reading that that the Techinfo sites are in response to federal
legislation forcing automakers to open up their resources to the public.

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