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Old 28 Apr 2010, 11:21 am
steve
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Default 2010 Civic: Security and Spare Keys

Hi;

I traded in my 20 year old Civic yesterday for a new 2010 Civic.

One of the advantages of the 20 year old Civic was that theft was not
so much an issue. That was good as locking myself out of the car is
once or twice a year. I got around that by hiding a key in a
magnetized case underneath the car. I don't feel so great about that
option with a new car. I would to solicit polite suggestions for how
I can plan for this situation. I have a roadside assistance plan,
but I am looking to cut down on the cost and inconvenience of that.

Is it possible to get copies of the valet key made through normal
channels?

Thanks much in advance for the info and polite suggestions

Steve



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Old 28 Apr 2010, 04:06 pm
Seth
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"steve" <tinker123@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7305dd7a-c1f8-4464-aee8-5db63013f84e@c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> Hi;
>
> I traded in my 20 year old Civic yesterday for a new 2010 Civic.
>
> One of the advantages of the 20 year old Civic was that theft was not
> so much an issue. That was good as locking myself out of the car is
> once or twice a year. I got around that by hiding a key in a
> magnetized case underneath the car. I don't feel so great about that
> option with a new car. I would to solicit polite suggestions for how
> I can plan for this situation. I have a roadside assistance plan,
> but I am looking to cut down on the cost and inconvenience of that.
>
> Is it possible to get copies of the valet key made through normal
> channels?



If all we're talking about is for unlocking the doors, then you can have the
metal copied pretty cheap. Even get it with a flat head (as opposed to the
big plastic cover) so you can stuff it in your wallet.

If you want the key to start the car, then you're stuck with one of the
expensive keys that can only be made by the dealer and locksmiths that have
extra gear. Local hardware store would probably not be one of those.


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Old 28 Apr 2010, 04:41 pm
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Default Re: 2010 Civic: Security and Spare Keys

On Apr 28, 5:06*pm, "Seth" <seth_lermanNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> If all we're talking about is for unlocking the doors, then you can have the
> metal copied pretty cheap. *Even get it with a flat head (as opposed tothe
> big plastic cover) so you can stuff it in your wallet.
>
> If you want the key to start the car, then you're stuck with one of the
> expensive keys that can only be made by the dealer and locksmiths that have
> extra gear. Local hardware store would probably not be one of those.


That actually sounds like good news because my problem is only locking
myself out. If a cheap spare can't start the car it isn't much of a
risk to hide the spare underneath the car.

Do hardware store copies NOT start the engine by design or is it a
matter of their copying machines simply not being good enough? In
other words, can I rely on the cheapo copy being bad enough to NOT be
able to start the car?

Steve

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Old 28 Apr 2010, 04:51 pm
E. Meyer
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Default Re: 2010 Civic: Security and Spare Keys

On 4/28/10 4:41 PM, in article
9ba599b8-9312-42b5-9c6d-8a0fa8311cb1...oglegroups.com, "steve"
<tinker123@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 28, 5:06*pm, "Seth" <seth_lermanNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If all we're talking about is for unlocking the doors, then you can have the
>> metal copied pretty cheap. *Even get it with a flat head (as opposed to the
>> big plastic cover) so you can stuff it in your wallet.
>>
>> If you want the key to start the car, then you're stuck with one of the
>> expensive keys that can only be made by the dealer and locksmiths that have
>> extra gear. Local hardware store would probably not be one of those.

>
> That actually sounds like good news because my problem is only locking
> myself out. If a cheap spare can't start the car it isn't much of a
> risk to hide the spare underneath the car.
>
> Do hardware store copies NOT start the engine by design or is it a
> matter of their copying machines simply not being good enough? In
> other words, can I rely on the cheapo copy being bad enough to NOT be
> able to start the car?
>
> Steve
>

You have to have a key with the "chip" to start the car. A $2 Home Depot
key has no chip, so it will unlock the door mechanically, but won't answer
the challenge from the car computer when you try to start the engine with
it.

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Old 28 Apr 2010, 06:04 pm
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Default Re: 2010 Civic: Security and Spare Keys

If you only lock the car with the remote you will never be locked out, the
remote requires you have the key in your hand.

"steve" <tinker123@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7305dd7a-c1f8-4464-aee8-5db63013f84e@c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> Hi;
>
> I traded in my 20 year old Civic yesterday for a new 2010 Civic.
>
> One of the advantages of the 20 year old Civic was that theft was not
> so much an issue. That was good as locking myself out of the car is
> once or twice a year. I got around that by hiding a key in a
> magnetized case underneath the car. I don't feel so great about that
> option with a new car. I would to solicit polite suggestions for how
> I can plan for this situation. I have a roadside assistance plan,
> but I am looking to cut down on the cost and inconvenience of that.
>
> Is it possible to get copies of the valet key made through normal
> channels?
>
> Thanks much in advance for the info and polite suggestions
>
> Steve
>
>
>

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Old 28 Apr 2010, 09:12 pm
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"steve" <tinker123@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9ba599b8-9312-42b5-9c6d-8a0fa8311cb1@k17g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

> Do hardware store copies NOT start the engine by design or is it a
> matter of their copying machines simply not being good enough? In
> other words, can I rely on the cheapo copy being bad enough to NOT be
> able to start the car?



It won't start the car cause it is missing the RF chip that's embedded in
the head to signal the ECU that it's OK to start. No chip, the ECU assumes
it's a hotwiring attempt and won't start.

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Old 29 Apr 2010, 12:59 pm
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Default Re: 2010 Civic: Security and Spare Keys

On Apr 28, 7:04*pm, "Justbob30" <NoTh...@you.com> wrote:
> If you only lock the car with the remote you will never be locked out, the
> remote requires you have the key in your hand.


Excellent point.

Until yesterday I was driving a 20 year old Civic. I have reading the
full owners manual on my to-do list. In the meantime you guys have
given me some great information. Thanks!
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Old 30 Apr 2010, 03:51 am
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Default Re: 2010 Civic: Security and Spare Keys

On 04/28/10 17:06, Seth wrote:
> "steve" <tinker123@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7305dd7a-c1f8-4464-aee8-5db63013f84e@c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi;
>>
>> I traded in my 20 year old Civic yesterday for a new 2010 Civic.
>>
>> One of the advantages of the 20 year old Civic was that theft was not
>> so much an issue. That was good as locking myself out of the car is
>> once or twice a year. I got around that by hiding a key in a
>> magnetized case underneath the car. I don't feel so great about that
>> option with a new car. I would to solicit polite suggestions for how
>> I can plan for this situation. I have a roadside assistance plan,
>> but I am looking to cut down on the cost and inconvenience of that.
>>
>> Is it possible to get copies of the valet key made through normal
>> channels?

>
>
> If all we're talking about is for unlocking the doors, then you can have
> the metal copied pretty cheap. Even get it with a flat head (as opposed
> to the big plastic cover) so you can stuff it in your wallet.
>
> If you want the key to start the car, then you're stuck with one of the
> expensive keys that can only be made by the dealer and locksmiths that
> have extra gear. Local hardware store would probably not be one of those.


Not a problem if you keep the valet key in the vehicle.
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Old 01 May 2010, 03:43 pm
Bill
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On Apr 28, 9:21*am, steve <tinker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi;
>
> I traded in my 20 year old Civic yesterday for a new 2010 Civic.
>
> One of the advantages of the 20 year old Civic was that theft was not
> so much an issue. *That was good as locking myself out of the car *is
> once or twice a year. * I got around that by hiding a key in a
> magnetized case underneath the car. * I don't feel so great about that
> option with a new car. * I would to solicit polite suggestions for how
> I can plan for this situation. * I have a roadside assistance plan,
> but I am looking to cut down on the cost and inconvenience of that.
>
> Is it possible to get copies of the valet key made through normal
> channels?
>
> Thanks much in advance for the info and polite suggestions
>
> Steve


Keys with a chip can be bought on the internet for less than your
dealer charges. Here's one:
www.remotesandkeys.com
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Old 03 May 2010, 08:29 pm
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Default Re: 2010 Civic: Security and Spare Keys

steve <tinker123@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9ba599b8-9312-42b5-9c6d-8a0fa8311cb1@k17g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

> On Apr 28, 5:06*pm, "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:


>>
>> If you want the key to start the car, then you're stuck with one of
>> the expensive keys that can only be made by the dealer and locksmiths
>> that have extra gear. Local hardware store would probably not be one
>> of those.

>
> That actually sounds like good news because my problem is only locking
> myself out. If a cheap spare can't start the car it isn't much of a
> risk to hide the spare underneath the car.




Except that if a crook finds out about it, you've just given him free
access to your car's interior and engine compartment.


>
> Do hardware store copies NOT start the engine by design or is it a
> matter of their copying machines simply not being good enough?



It's a matter of the OEM key having a computer chip inside of it, and
the hardware store key /not/ having one.



> In other words, can I rely on the cheapo copy being bad enough to NOT be
> able to start the car?



Not "bad", just missing a critical component. That critical component is
part of your car's security system.


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