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The manual for my newly acquired '99 Accord describes replacing every
maintenance item but directs an owner to have Honda only replace the
A/C (ventilation) filter: Why?

Is it a situation like the Alfa 105series heater core: They laid that
one part down and built the car around it?

TIA

Harold Adrain Russell Philby wrote:
> The manual for my newly acquired '99 Accord describes replacing every
> maintenance item but directs an owner to have Honda only replace the
> A/C (ventilation) filter: Why?
>
> Is it a situation like the Alfa 105series heater core: They laid that
> one part down and built the car around it?
>
> TIA
>
--------------------

Read the post above about 'Odyssey A/C filter'

Same drill, basically. Do a google search and you'll find the full
directions.

'Curly'

In article <etugr0tc5ju4jt5s0rvog4gkuu6vl43im5@4ax.com>,
Harold Adrain Russell Philby <home.office@kremlin.com.ru> wrote:

> The manual for my newly acquired '99 Accord describes replacing every
> maintenance item but directs an owner to have Honda only replace the
> A/C (ventilation) filter: Why?

It is damned awkward to get to, that's why. Straightforward once you've
seen it, but the first time it's awkward.

Hint: that lower dash panel has a screw at the top left, underneath
some trim. Don't forget that one. If you do, you'll break the tab off
and have to buy a new dash panel for $40 or so. (There are some
instructions out on the net that specifically don't mention that screw,
and I made the mistake of following the instructions that said "now the
dash panel will pop right out" instead of following my instincts, which
were screaming "but it's attached up there somehwere, it *can't* just
pop out...")

So says the voice of experience. But hey, even with that, the *total* I
paid to replace the filter on my 00 Accord was $51--far cheaper than the
$30 for parts and $72 for labor that the dealer charges.

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:57:44 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_
_"@interbaun.com> wrote:
>Harold Adrain Russell Philby wrote:
>> The manual for my newly acquired '99 Accord describes replacing every
>> maintenance item but directs an owner to have Honda only replace the
>> A/C (ventilation) filter: Why?
>>
>> Is it a situation like the Alfa 105series heater core: They laid that
>> one part down and built the car around it?
>
>Read the post above about 'Odyssey A/C filter'
>
>Same drill, basically. Do a google search and you'll find the full
>directions.

Thanks, got it.

....Looks like I was right after all.

Looks like a three hour job? (Any idea what the Honda book rate night
be?)

After reviewing the manual it appears *every* other consumable in this
car can be serviced and maintained by a monkey with strong
fingernails: Do you have any idea why Honda made the servicing of
that one particular part so onerous?

....Perhaps a corporate pettifogger with a distorted understanding of
product liability?

In article <6q0kr0l2iipie91pnvnne29n84692k23m9@4ax.com>,
Harold Adrian Russell Philby <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:

> Looks like a three hour job? (Any idea what the Honda book rate night
> be?)

The book calls it an hour.

On 12/10/04 2:28 PM, in article 6q0kr0l2iipie91pnvnne29n84692k23m9@4ax.com,
"Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:57:44 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_
> _"@interbaun.com> wrote:
>> Harold Adrain Russell Philby wrote:
>>> The manual for my newly acquired '99 Accord describes replacing every
>>> maintenance item but directs an owner to have Honda only replace the
>>> A/C (ventilation) filter: Why?
>>>
>>> Is it a situation like the Alfa 105series heater core: They laid that
>>> one part down and built the car around it?
>>
>> Read the post above about 'Odyssey A/C filter'
>>
>> Same drill, basically. Do a google search and you'll find the full
>> directions.
>
> Thanks, got it.
>
> ...Looks like I was right after all.
>
> Looks like a three hour job? (Any idea what the Honda book rate night
> be?)
>
> After reviewing the manual it appears *every* other consumable in this
> car can be serviced and maintained by a monkey with strong
> fingernails: Do you have any idea why Honda made the servicing of
> that one particular part so onerous?
>
> ...Perhaps a corporate pettifogger with a distorted understanding of
> product liability?
>

Not sure what the "book" rate for it might be. But after doing it a couple
of times on my '00 TL, I can say that you have to take a beer break in the
middle of the job to stretch it to a half hour.

E. Meyer wrote:

> Not sure what the "book" rate for it might be. But after doing it a couple
> of times on my '00 TL, I can say that you have to take a beer break in the
> middle of the job to stretch it to a half hour.
>

Standard practice in this man's garage...

;0)

a

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:57:08 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer@ieee.org>
wrote:
>On 12/10/04 2:28 PM, in article 6q0kr0l2iipie91pnvnne29n84692k23m9@4ax.com,
>"Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:57:44 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_
>> _"@interbaun.com> wrote:
>>> Harold Adrain Russell Philby wrote:
>>>> The manual for my newly acquired '99 Accord describes replacing every
>>>> maintenance item but directs an owner to have Honda only replace the
>>>> A/C (ventilation) filter: Why?
>>>>
>>>> Is it a situation like the Alfa 105series heater core: They laid that
>>>> one part down and built the car around it?
>>>
>>> Read the post above about 'Odyssey A/C filter'
>>>
>>> Same drill, basically. Do a google search and you'll find the full
>>> directions.
>>
>> Thanks, got it.
>>
>> ...Looks like I was right after all.
>>
>> Looks like a three hour job? (Any idea what the Honda book rate night
>> be?)
>>
>> After reviewing the manual it appears *every* other consumable in this
>> car can be serviced and maintained by a monkey with strong
>> fingernails: Do you have any idea why Honda made the servicing of
>> that one particular part so onerous?
>>
>> ...Perhaps a corporate pettifogger with a distorted understanding of
>> product liability?
>
>Not sure what the "book" rate for it might be. But after doing it a couple
>of times on my '00 TL, I can say that you have to take a beer break in the
>middle of the job to stretch it to a half hour.

Looking at http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=43307 it
appears it will take a half-hour just to label all the screws...

What's your tip?

On 12/11/04 9:22 AM, in article d34mr0tpdebmc2otdn7f0kolf8lsuam56n@4ax.com,
"Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:57:08 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>> On 12/10/04 2:28 PM, in article 6q0kr0l2iipie91pnvnne29n84692k23m9@4ax.com,
>> "Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:57:44 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_
>>> _"@interbaun.com> wrote:
>>>> Harold Adrain Russell Philby wrote:
>>>>> The manual for my newly acquired '99 Accord describes replacing every
>>>>> maintenance item but directs an owner to have Honda only replace the
>>>>> A/C (ventilation) filter: Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it a situation like the Alfa 105series heater core: They laid that
>>>>> one part down and built the car around it?
>>>>
>>>> Read the post above about 'Odyssey A/C filter'
>>>>
>>>> Same drill, basically. Do a google search and you'll find the full
>>>> directions.
>>>
>>> Thanks, got it.
>>>
>>> ...Looks like I was right after all.
>>>
>>> Looks like a three hour job? (Any idea what the Honda book rate night
>>> be?)
>>>
>>> After reviewing the manual it appears *every* other consumable in this
>>> car can be serviced and maintained by a monkey with strong
>>> fingernails: Do you have any idea why Honda made the servicing of
>>> that one particular part so onerous?
>>>
>>> ...Perhaps a corporate pettifogger with a distorted understanding of
>>> product liability?
>>
>> Not sure what the "book" rate for it might be. But after doing it a couple
>> of times on my '00 TL, I can say that you have to take a beer break in the
>> middle of the job to stretch it to a half hour.
>
> Looking at http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=43307 it
> appears it will take a half-hour just to label all the screws...
>
> What's your tip?
>
Those pictures show how to take that whole side of the dash off. All you
have to do (at least on the TL of the same generation) is take out the glove
box itself - one screw in the damper piston on the right side, two on the
bottom holding the hinges, and the stoppers on the sides of the box slide
forward and pop out.

In article <BDE0B5AF.B43E7%e52.meyer@ieee.org>,
"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:

> > What's your tip?
> >
> Those pictures show how to take that whole side of the dash off. All you
> have to do (at least on the TL of the same generation) is take out the glove
> box itself

Nope. On the Accord, you have to remove the dash panel as well.