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Old 15 Apr 2010, 11:39 pm
Guy
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Default 0W20 oil

I was reading the manual for my 2010 CR-V and it calls for 0W20 oil. I
also checked the oil cap on the engine and it says the same. Being
that the vehicle is garaged in Houston, Texas, I was wondering if
there would be any harm in using 5W20 oil instead? I spoke to a
grease money at a Kwik Lube and he said it should be fine. I spoke to
2 Honda Dealers and they said I should not do it. I also asked them
if this would void the warrantee and tho I think one of them said yes,
they didn't seem to be definitive on that point. I also called a
local Autozone and found out that they only carry this grade as a
sythetic oil (Mobil 1) and their price is $7.49 plus tax. The kwik
lube wants about $60 to do a oil change with synthetic oil.

Likely I won't do this but my curiousity is getting the better of me,
do you think it makes much difference in my case which grade oil I
use? Do you think this voids the warrantee (I expected Honda to say
yes when I asked) ? From a dollar point of view, I know this
probably makes little sense but just want to hear other opinions
anyway.
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Old 16 Apr 2010, 02:38 am
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Default Re: 0W20 oil

In article <0spfs51g726g9ek2mnoquve3uugaskb2cq@4ax.com>,
"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:

> I was reading the manual for my 2010 CR-V and it calls for 0W20 oil. I
> also checked the oil cap on the engine and it says the same. Being
> that the vehicle is garaged in Houston, Texas, I was wondering if
> there would be any harm in using 5W20 oil instead? I spoke to a
> grease money at a Kwik Lube and he said it should be fine. I spoke to
> 2 Honda Dealers and they said I should not do it. I also asked them
> if this would void the warrantee and tho I think one of them said yes,
> they didn't seem to be definitive on that point. I also called a
> local Autozone and found out that they only carry this grade as a
> sythetic oil (Mobil 1) and their price is $7.49 plus tax. The kwik
> lube wants about $60 to do a oil change with synthetic oil.
>
> Likely I won't do this but my curiousity is getting the better of me,
> do you think it makes much difference in my case which grade oil I
> use? Do you think this voids the warrantee (I expected Honda to say
> yes when I asked) ? From a dollar point of view, I know this
> probably makes little sense but just want to hear other opinions
> anyway.


Mfg's spend a lot of time/effort/money in coming up with oil
specifications... it's a good idea to follow them if at all possible.

0W20 is new, and might be tough to find for a while. If push comes to
shove, maybe you could order it from Honda parts till it becomes
available on the aftermarket. (I have an 08 Honda 'Fit' factory service
manual here, and in the 'Lubricants and Fluids' section it specifies a
Honda part number for the 5W20 oil the Fit uses. I bet the 2010 CR-V's
service manual reflects a number for 0W20. Note I could not find a part
number for the oil in the Fit owners manual.)

Also check a 'real' auto parts store... if they don't have it yet, ask
if they can special order you a case.

You'll probably never have a oil related issue with plane old mineral
oil, provided you follow the mfg's grade, service classification and
change interval suggestions. Synthetics are expensive overkill IMHO.

Good Luck!

Erik
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Old 16 Apr 2010, 06:08 am
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Default Re: 0W20 oil

"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote in news:0spfs51g726g9ek2mnoquve3uugaskb2cq@
4ax.com:

> I was reading the manual for my 2010 CR-V and it calls for 0W20 oil. I
> also checked the oil cap on the engine and it says the same. Being
> that the vehicle is garaged in Houston, Texas, I was wondering if
> there would be any harm in using 5W20 oil instead? I spoke to a
> grease money at a Kwik Lube and he said it should be fine. I spoke to
> 2 Honda Dealers and they said I should not do it. I also asked them
> if this would void the warrantee and tho I think one of them said yes,
> they didn't seem to be definitive on that point. I also called a
> local Autozone and found out that they only carry this grade as a
> sythetic oil (Mobil 1) and their price is $7.49 plus tax. The kwik
> lube wants about $60 to do a oil change with synthetic oil.
>
> Likely I won't do this but my curiousity is getting the better of me,
> do you think it makes much difference in my case which grade oil I
> use? Do you think this voids the warrantee (I expected Honda to say
> yes when I asked) ? From a dollar point of view, I know this
> probably makes little sense but just want to hear other opinions
> anyway.




Check your Owner's Manual. You may find that it will allow 5W-20.

Typically, 5W-20 is perfectly fine in engines where 0W-20 is specified, but
not vice versa.


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Old 16 Apr 2010, 06:39 am
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Default Re: 0W20 oil

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:08:17 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote in news:0spfs51g726g9ek2mnoquve3uugaskb2cq@
>4ax.com:
>
>> I was reading the manual for my 2010 CR-V and it calls for 0W20 oil. I
>> also checked the oil cap on the engine and it says the same. Being
>> that the vehicle is garaged in Houston, Texas, I was wondering if
>> there would be any harm in using 5W20 oil instead? I spoke to a
>> grease money at a Kwik Lube and he said it should be fine. I spoke to
>> 2 Honda Dealers and they said I should not do it. I also asked them
>> if this would void the warrantee and tho I think one of them said yes,
>> they didn't seem to be definitive on that point. I also called a
>> local Autozone and found out that they only carry this grade as a
>> sythetic oil (Mobil 1) and their price is $7.49 plus tax. The kwik
>> lube wants about $60 to do a oil change with synthetic oil.
>>
>> Likely I won't do this but my curiousity is getting the better of me,
>> do you think it makes much difference in my case which grade oil I
>> use? Do you think this voids the warrantee (I expected Honda to say
>> yes when I asked) ? From a dollar point of view, I know this
>> probably makes little sense but just want to hear other opinions
>> anyway.

>
>
>
>Check your Owner's Manual. You may find that it will allow 5W-20.
>
>Typically, 5W-20 is perfectly fine in engines where 0W-20 is specified, but
>not vice versa.



I did check it but maybe not as thorough as I should have. I will
look at it again.

It looks like I can get the kwik lube or Autozone to give me 0W20 oil
so getting it should not be a problem but in the worst case scenario I
would just go to the dealer. As I said I was more curious than
anything about this and will note what you said and re-read the
manual. Thanks.
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Old 16 Apr 2010, 06:45 am
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:38:15 -0700, Erik <spam@this.com> wrote:

>In article <0spfs51g726g9ek2mnoquve3uugaskb2cq@4ax.com>,
> "Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:
>
>> I was reading the manual for my 2010 CR-V and it calls for 0W20 oil. I
>> also checked the oil cap on the engine and it says the same. Being
>> that the vehicle is garaged in Houston, Texas, I was wondering if
>> there would be any harm in using 5W20 oil instead? I spoke to a
>> grease money at a Kwik Lube and he said it should be fine. I spoke to
>> 2 Honda Dealers and they said I should not do it. I also asked them
>> if this would void the warrantee and tho I think one of them said yes,
>> they didn't seem to be definitive on that point. I also called a
>> local Autozone and found out that they only carry this grade as a
>> sythetic oil (Mobil 1) and their price is $7.49 plus tax. The kwik
>> lube wants about $60 to do a oil change with synthetic oil.
>>
>> Likely I won't do this but my curiousity is getting the better of me,
>> do you think it makes much difference in my case which grade oil I
>> use? Do you think this voids the warrantee (I expected Honda to say
>> yes when I asked) ? From a dollar point of view, I know this
>> probably makes little sense but just want to hear other opinions
>> anyway.

>
>Mfg's spend a lot of time/effort/money in coming up with oil
>specifications... it's a good idea to follow them if at all possible.
>
>0W20 is new, and might be tough to find for a while. If push comes to
>shove, maybe you could order it from Honda parts till it becomes
>available on the aftermarket. (I have an 08 Honda 'Fit' factory service
>manual here, and in the 'Lubricants and Fluids' section it specifies a
>Honda part number for the 5W20 oil the Fit uses. I bet the 2010 CR-V's
>service manual reflects a number for 0W20. Note I could not find a part
>number for the oil in the Fit owners manual.)
>
>Also check a 'real' auto parts store... if they don't have it yet, ask
>if they can special order you a case.
>
>You'll probably never have a oil related issue with plane old mineral
>oil, provided you follow the mfg's grade, service classification and
>change interval suggestions. Synthetics are expensive overkill IMHO.
>
>Good Luck!
>
>Erik



Thanks Erik. Looks like I can get the 0W20 around here so it really
shouldn't be a problem for me but I was more curious than anything
else. I agree, best to stick with the 0W20 besides which, the extra
cost isn't really much more in the long run. But I will re-read the
manual to see if they allow for a substitution grade oil. Being the
vehicle is in the deep south where it doesn't normally get too cold
(except for a couple of days in winter), I don't think the engine
would work much harder but I will go by the manual, not my guessing.
Thanks.
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Old 16 Apr 2010, 06:49 am
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:39:30 -0500, "Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:

>I was reading the manual for my 2010 CR-V and it calls for 0W20 oil. I
>also checked the oil cap on the engine and it says the same. Being
>that the vehicle is garaged in Houston, Texas, I was wondering if
>there would be any harm in using 5W20 oil instead? I spoke to a
>grease money at a Kwik Lube and he said it should be fine. I spoke to
>2 Honda Dealers and they said I should not do it. I also asked them
>if this would void the warrantee and tho I think one of them said yes,
>they didn't seem to be definitive on that point. I also called a
>local Autozone and found out that they only carry this grade as a
>sythetic oil (Mobil 1) and their price is $7.49 plus tax. The kwik
>lube wants about $60 to do a oil change with synthetic oil.
>
>Likely I won't do this but my curiousity is getting the better of me,
>do you think it makes much difference in my case which grade oil I
>use? Do you think this voids the warrantee (I expected Honda to say
>yes when I asked) ? From a dollar point of view, I know this
>probably makes little sense but just want to hear other opinions
>anyway.




Just curious, what is the recommended grade oil for a 2008 or 2009
CR-V automatic ? Or what does the oil cap say on the engine block?
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Old 16 Apr 2010, 09:22 am
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"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote in message
news:0spfs51g726g9ek2mnoquve3uugaskb2cq@4ax.com...
> I was reading the manual for my 2010 CR-V and it calls for 0W20 oil. I
> also checked the oil cap on the engine and it says the same. Being
> that the vehicle is garaged in Houston, Texas, I was wondering if
> there would be any harm in using 5W20 oil instead? I spoke to a
> grease money at a Kwik Lube and he said it should be fine. I spoke to
> 2 Honda Dealers and they said I should not do it. I also asked them
> if this would void the warrantee and tho I think one of them said yes,
> they didn't seem to be definitive on that point. I also called a
> local Autozone and found out that they only carry this grade as a
> sythetic oil (Mobil 1) and their price is $7.49 plus tax. The kwik
> lube wants about $60 to do a oil change with synthetic oil.
>
> Likely I won't do this but my curiousity is getting the better of me,
> do you think it makes much difference in my case which grade oil I
> use? Do you think this voids the warrantee (I expected Honda to say
> yes when I asked) ? From a dollar point of view, I know this
> probably makes little sense but just want to hear other opinions
> anyway.


My thought on this, for what it is worth, who knows your car better, a
certified Honda dealer or Jiffy Lube? My usual is follow the money, since
they both stand to make money on this transaction, that is not an
option....I do not own a CRV, I have Civic Hybrid I pay about $45 for oil
changes at the dealer, so, I would say Jiffy Lube is no bargain. I do
belong to a Civic Hybrid users group, I have seen reports there of people
who went with 5-20 instead of the 0-20 recommended by Honda then complain
when they get hit with a 10% mileage reduction.
My advice, for whatever weight is stick with what Honda recommends, so, 0-20
and if you have a service minder, stick with that for oil change intervals.
I realize if you do not agree with this advice you will dismiss it but, you
asked :-).



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Old 16 Apr 2010, 10:01 am
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"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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> Check your Owner's Manual. You may find that it will allow 5W-20.
>
> Typically, 5W-20 is perfectly fine in engines where 0W-20 is
> specified, but
> not vice versa.


At least for Fords and Toyotas, 0W20 oil is OK instead of 5W20 as long
as it meets the manufacturer's standards. I am not sure what
additional specs Toyota includes, but Ford has a spec for "their"
approved 5W20 oil that goes beyond the API spec. When I buy oil for
the Fords I own, I always look on the bottle top make sure the
manufacturer say it meets the appropriate Ford spec (all the ones I
have looked at say they do, but then their are many brands I won't
even bother to look at).

The SO's Toyota manual actually says 0W20 is preferred, but that 5W20
is OK. In a warm climate, I think the difference between 5W20 and 0W20
is trivial. The 5W / 0W part applies at 32 degrees F (0 degrees C) For
temperatures higher then 32 degrees F, the viscosity of the two oils
will be much closer together and at 212 degrees F (100 gegrees C) they
should be roughly the same. For sure the 5W20 at 50 degrees F will
probably have a lower viscosity than the 0W20 at 0 degrees F.

Of course, my standard advice still applies - use what the
manufacturer recommends. If you think you know more about the car than
the people who designed the car, then you may want to buy a different
car.

Ed


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Old 16 Apr 2010, 10:16 am
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"Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote in message
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> "Guy" <void@void.com> wrote in message
> news:0spfs51g726g9ek2mnoquve3uugaskb2cq@4ax.com...
>> I was reading the manual for my 2010 CR-V and it calls for 0W20 oil. I
>> also checked the oil cap on the engine and it says the same. Being
>> that the vehicle is garaged in Houston, Texas, I was wondering if
>> there would be any harm in using 5W20 oil instead? I spoke to a
>> grease money at a Kwik Lube and he said it should be fine. I spoke to
>> 2 Honda Dealers and they said I should not do it. I also asked them
>> if this would void the warrantee and tho I think one of them said yes,
>> they didn't seem to be definitive on that point. I also called a
>> local Autozone and found out that they only carry this grade as a
>> sythetic oil (Mobil 1) and their price is $7.49 plus tax. The kwik
>> lube wants about $60 to do a oil change with synthetic oil.
>>
>> Likely I won't do this but my curiousity is getting the better of me,
>> do you think it makes much difference in my case which grade oil I
>> use? Do you think this voids the warrantee (I expected Honda to say
>> yes when I asked) ? From a dollar point of view, I know this
>> probably makes little sense but just want to hear other opinions
>> anyway.

>
> My thought on this, for what it is worth, who knows your car better, a
> certified Honda dealer or Jiffy Lube? My usual is follow the money, since
> they both stand to make money on this transaction, that is not an
> option....I do not own a CRV, I have Civic Hybrid I pay about $45 for oil
> changes at the dealer, so, I would say Jiffy Lube is no bargain. I do
> belong to a Civic Hybrid users group, I have seen reports there of people
> who went with 5-20 instead of the 0-20 recommended by Honda then complain
> when they get hit with a 10% mileage reduction.
> My advice, for whatever weight is stick with what Honda recommends, so,
> 0-20 and if you have a service minder, stick with that for oil change
> intervals. I realize if you do not agree with this advice you will dismiss
> it but, you asked :-).
>
>

I'm following this thread and I'm confused. Is 0W20 different than a
straight weigh 20?
Thanks

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Old 16 Apr 2010, 10:18 am
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:22:28 -0700, "Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com>
wrote:

>"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote in message
>news:0spfs51g726g9ek2mnoquve3uugaskb2cq@4ax.com.. .
>> I was reading the manual for my 2010 CR-V and it calls for 0W20 oil. I
>> also checked the oil cap on the engine and it says the same. Being
>> that the vehicle is garaged in Houston, Texas, I was wondering if
>> there would be any harm in using 5W20 oil instead? I spoke to a
>> grease money at a Kwik Lube and he said it should be fine. I spoke to
>> 2 Honda Dealers and they said I should not do it. I also asked them
>> if this would void the warrantee and tho I think one of them said yes,
>> they didn't seem to be definitive on that point. I also called a
>> local Autozone and found out that they only carry this grade as a
>> sythetic oil (Mobil 1) and their price is $7.49 plus tax. The kwik
>> lube wants about $60 to do a oil change with synthetic oil.
>>
>> Likely I won't do this but my curiousity is getting the better of me,
>> do you think it makes much difference in my case which grade oil I
>> use? Do you think this voids the warrantee (I expected Honda to say
>> yes when I asked) ? From a dollar point of view, I know this
>> probably makes little sense but just want to hear other opinions
>> anyway.

>
>My thought on this, for what it is worth, who knows your car better, a
>certified Honda dealer or Jiffy Lube? My usual is follow the money, since
>they both stand to make money on this transaction, that is not an
>option....I do not own a CRV, I have Civic Hybrid I pay about $45 for oil
>changes at the dealer, so, I would say Jiffy Lube is no bargain. I do
>belong to a Civic Hybrid users group, I have seen reports there of people
>who went with 5-20 instead of the 0-20 recommended by Honda then complain
>when they get hit with a 10% mileage reduction.
>My advice, for whatever weight is stick with what Honda recommends, so, 0-20
>and if you have a service minder, stick with that for oil change intervals.
>I realize if you do not agree with this advice you will dismiss it but, you
>asked :-).
>
>


You're right I would dismiss it except that I tend to agree with it,
if not 100% then 99%. Either way, likely I will do as you stated.
Thanks !
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