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Old 15 Apr 2010, 06:29 am
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Default Replace timing belt? ? ?

I have a 2001 Honda with 90,000 miles, and I'd like to keep it for another
five years.

I had some recall work done yesterday, and the dealer told me the car was
overdue by two years for a recommended replacement of timing belt with
water-pump seals.

Should I have this work done, or is it just a Honda grab for maintenance
that's really unnecessary?

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Old 15 Apr 2010, 06:46 am
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"Ray" <rayj.balt@DELTHISverizon.net> wrote in
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> I have a 2001 Honda with 90,000 miles, and I'd like to keep it for
> another five years.
>
> I had some recall work done yesterday, and the dealer told me the car
> was overdue by two years for a recommended replacement of timing belt
> with water-pump seals.
>
> Should I have this work done, or is it just a Honda grab for
> maintenance that's really unnecessary?
>
>



If it were a "grab", it wouldn't be a "Honda" grab, but a "dealer" grab.
The dealer is a totally separate company from Honda. But it's not a "grab".

I'd get the work done as per the dealer's recommendation, along with the
water pump, which lives under the timing belt.

Your maintenance schedule is 7 years and 105K miles. You're not quite there
with mileage, but are 2 years over for time. In theory, you could chance
leaving it for another year or two, but...

Look at it this way: The current belt will not go another five years
without serious risk of failure, so you're replacing it at some point
anyway in the next few years.

So, two scenarios:
1) If you get it done now, not only do you eliminate the risk of getting
stranded, or of expensive valve damage, but you get five years out of the
expenditure before you get rid of the car.
2) If you wait another year or two, you're running the risk of getting
stranded, or of suffering valve damage, plus when you get rid of the car
you've only got three or four years out of your expenditure.


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Old 15 Apr 2010, 06:46 am
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Default Re: Replace timing belt? ? ?

On Apr 15, 7:29*am, "Ray" <rayj.b...@DELTHISverizon.net> wrote:
> I have a 2001 Honda with 90,000 miles, and I'd like to keep it for another
> five years.
>
> I had some recall work done yesterday, and the dealer told me the car was
> overdue by two years for a recommended replacement of timing belt with
> water-pump seals.
>
> Should I have this work done, or is it just a Honda grab for maintenance
> that's really unnecessary?


Failure of the timing belt can result in significant damage to the
engine so replacing it at the recommended intervals is a wise
investment. Changing the water pump seals is a good idea since they
are in the ‘neighborhood’ and easily added to the job.

This job does not need to be performed by the dealer. It can be
performed by any good mechanic with the proper tools and knowledge.
You can save some money by using someone other than a dealer but,
obviously, make sure the shop is competent.
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Old 15 Apr 2010, 07:19 am
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Default Re: Replace timing belt? ? ?

Thanks. I'll get the work done now, although the price of $900 seems steep
to me. I probably could get it done cheaper at Midas or some other discount
shop, but I think I'll go to the Honda dealer.

"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9D5B4F0A5A5E2tegger@208.90.168.18...
> "Ray" <rayj.balt@DELTHISverizon.net> wrote in
> news:cMCxn.87007$ao7.47199@newsfe21.iad:
>
>> I have a 2001 Honda with 90,000 miles, and I'd like to keep it for
>> another five years.
>>
>> I had some recall work done yesterday, and the dealer told me the car
>> was overdue by two years for a recommended replacement of timing belt
>> with water-pump seals.
>>
>> Should I have this work done, or is it just a Honda grab for
>> maintenance that's really unnecessary?
>>
>>

>
>
> If it were a "grab", it wouldn't be a "Honda" grab, but a "dealer" grab.
> The dealer is a totally separate company from Honda. But it's not a
> "grab".
>
> I'd get the work done as per the dealer's recommendation, along with the
> water pump, which lives under the timing belt.
>
> Your maintenance schedule is 7 years and 105K miles. You're not quite
> there
> with mileage, but are 2 years over for time. In theory, you could chance
> leaving it for another year or two, but...
>
> Look at it this way: The current belt will not go another five years
> without serious risk of failure, so you're replacing it at some point
> anyway in the next few years.
>
> So, two scenarios:
> 1) If you get it done now, not only do you eliminate the risk of getting
> stranded, or of expensive valve damage, but you get five years out of the
> expenditure before you get rid of the car.
> 2) If you wait another year or two, you're running the risk of getting
> stranded, or of suffering valve damage, plus when you get rid of the car
> you've only got three or four years out of your expenditure.
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/


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Old 15 Apr 2010, 07:20 am
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Default Re: Replace timing belt? ? ?

Thanks -- I'll certainly consider that. The Honda place is quoting $900,
which seems high to me.



"LakeGator" <lakegator@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 15, 7:29 am, "Ray" <rayj.b...@DELTHISverizon.net> wrote:
>> I have a 2001 Honda with 90,000 miles, and I'd like to keep it for
>> another
>> five years.
>>
>> I had some recall work done yesterday, and the dealer told me the car was
>> overdue by two years for a recommended replacement of timing belt with
>> water-pump seals.
>>
>> Should I have this work done, or is it just a Honda grab for maintenance
>> that's really unnecessary?

>
> Failure of the timing belt can result in significant damage to the
> engine so replacing it at the recommended intervals is a wise
> investment. Changing the water pump seals is a good idea since they
> are in the ‘neighborhood’ and easily added to the job.
>
> This job does not need to be performed by the dealer. It can be
> performed by any good mechanic with the proper tools and knowledge.
> You can save some money by using someone other than a dealer but,
> obviously, make sure the shop is competent.


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Old 15 Apr 2010, 07:41 am
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Default Re: Replace timing belt? ? ?

On 4/15/2010 6:46 AM, Tegger wrote:
> "Ray"<rayj.balt@DELTHISverizon.net> wrote in
> news:cMCxn.87007$ao7.47199@newsfe21.iad:
>
>> I have a 2001 Honda with 90,000 miles, and I'd like to keep it for
>> another five years.
>>
>> I had some recall work done yesterday, and the dealer told me the car
>> was overdue by two years for a recommended replacement of timing belt
>> with water-pump seals.
>>
>> Should I have this work done, or is it just a Honda grab for
>> maintenance that's really unnecessary?
>>
>>

>
>
> If it were a "grab", it wouldn't be a "Honda" grab, but a "dealer" grab.
> The dealer is a totally separate company from Honda. But it's not a "grab".
>
> I'd get the work done as per the dealer's recommendation, along with the
> water pump, which lives under the timing belt.



I like the way you think, Tegger. Great advice. What's your feeling on
the seals vs water pump? Ray mentions the seals but everything I've
read to date is water pump as in the complete unit. My thought is that
tossing a new pump in while "in the neighborhood" is doing the job right.

What say you?
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Old 15 Apr 2010, 07:44 am
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Default Re: Replace timing belt? ? ?

On 4/15/2010 7:20 AM, Ray wrote:
> Thanks -- I'll certainly consider that. The Honda place is quoting $900,
> which seems high to me.


I'd certainly shop that job. The price seems high to me as well. I'm a
couple years away from the job on my 2006 Accord with 58k and I seem to
recall seeing prices for timing belt and the entire water pump quoted in
the $600 range (or was that wishful dreaming?).



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Old 15 Apr 2010, 07:56 am
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"Ray" <rayj.balt@DELTHISverizon.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks. I'll get the work done now, although the price of $900 seems steep
> to me. I probably could get it done cheaper at Midas or some other
> discount shop, but I think I'll go to the Honda dealer.
>

SNIP>
Get on the phone and call a few dealers. You might be surprised and the
difference in prices. More than $200 between top to bottom when I did it.
On this job I'd try to stick with a dealer-certainly wouldn't go to a Midas
or one similar.
MLD

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Old 15 Apr 2010, 08:15 am
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On 4/15/2010 7:56 AM, MLD wrote:
>
> "Ray" <rayj.balt@DELTHISverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vvDxn.105459$EE6.24524@newsfe23.iad...
>> Thanks. I'll get the work done now, although the price of $900 seems
>> steep to me. I probably could get it done cheaper at Midas or some
>> other discount shop, but I think I'll go to the Honda dealer.
>>

> SNIP>
> Get on the phone and call a few dealers. You might be surprised and the
> difference in prices. More than $200 between top to bottom when I did
> it. On this job I'd try to stick with a dealer-certainly wouldn't go to
> a Midas or one similar.
> MLD



There's always Jiffy Lube! That way you could get your transmission AND
rear differential flushed at the same time. They'll probably
re-energize your headlights and torque your framis for free. <g>



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Old 15 Apr 2010, 08:29 am
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Tegger wrote:
> "Ray" <rayj.balt@DELTHISverizon.net> wrote in
> news:cMCxn.87007$ao7.47199@newsfe21.iad:
>
>> I have a 2001 Honda with 90,000 miles, and I'd like to keep it for
>> another five years.
>>
>> I had some recall work done yesterday, and the dealer told me the car
>> was overdue by two years for a recommended replacement of timing belt
>> with water-pump seals.
>>
>> Should I have this work done, or is it just a Honda grab for
>> maintenance that's really unnecessary?
>>
>>

>
>
> If it were a "grab", it wouldn't be a "Honda" grab, but a "dealer" grab.
> The dealer is a totally separate company from Honda. But it's not a "grab".
>
> I'd get the work done as per the dealer's recommendation, along with the
> water pump, which lives under the timing belt.
>
> Your maintenance schedule is 7 years and 105K miles. You're not quite there
> with mileage, but are 2 years over for time. In theory, you could chance
> leaving it for another year or two, but...
>
> Look at it this way: The current belt will not go another five years
> without serious risk of failure, so you're replacing it at some point
> anyway in the next few years.
>
> So, two scenarios:
> 1) If you get it done now, not only do you eliminate the risk of getting
> stranded, or of expensive valve damage, but you get five years out of the
> expenditure before you get rid of the car.
> 2) If you wait another year or two, you're running the risk of getting
> stranded, or of suffering valve damage, plus when you get rid of the car
> you've only got three or four years out of your expenditure.


Time to hijack this thread!

My Mazda snapped the timing belt at less than 30K miles a couple of
years ago. I am assuming it was a defective belt, as a new belt fixed
the problem and it has not broken since.

Additional details: The timing belt, tension pulleys and water pump were
all replaced, then the belt broke early, (less than 2 years and less
than 30K miles), and I only replaced the belt after it broke, so I don't
think it was a problem with anything other than the belt itself. All of
the parts were Mazda OEM.

When this happened, the engine simply stopped, and there was no damage
at all.

My question is, why does my Honda engine (possibly) suffer damage when
the timing belt breaks and the Mazda engine does not?

I understand interference versus non-interference engines, what I am
wondering is why any engines are designed to suffer damage when the
timing belt breaks, since this is obviously not the way that the engine
has to be made.

Is there an advantage performance-wise to having the engine designed to
semi-self destruct when a timing belt snaps? Is it possibly cheaper to
design and/or build?

Thanks!

Pat
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