Honda Car Forum

Mista Bone wrote:
>
> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>
> What tranny you have? A VW?

'94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
using Redline MTL?

Randolph wrote:

> Mista Bone wrote:
>
>>Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>
>>What tranny you have? A VW?
>
>
> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
> using Redline MTL?

I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.

Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into first.
116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see how it
goes. If the shit that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect after
seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.

Abeness wrote:
> Randolph wrote:
>
>> Mista Bone wrote:
>>
>>> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>>
>>> What tranny you have? A VW?
>>
>>
>>
>> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
>> using Redline MTL?
>
>
> I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
> 10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
> 10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
> change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.
>
> Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
> having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into first.
> 116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see how it
> goes. If the shit that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect after
> seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.

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The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
(and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
sure.:-)


'Curly'

motsco_ _ wrote:
> The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> sure.:-)

True enough. I suppose the question is, however, whether what the manual
recommends is sufficient. Obviously it was, at the time.

Abeness wrote:

> Randolph wrote:
>
>> Mista Bone wrote:
>>
>>> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>>
>>> What tranny you have? A VW?
>>
>>
>>
>> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
>> using Redline MTL?
>
>
> I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
> 10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
> 10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
> change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.

i wonder if a regular mobil1 synth would work.
>
> Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
> having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into first.
> 116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see how it
> goes. If the shit that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect after
> seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.

hopefully. i replaced the tranny fluid on an old MG midget w/ 4speed
manual and it made a pretty big difference. lost all its notchiness.

and that was just replacing with the recommended 75/80wt gear oil.

motsco_ _ wrote:

> Abeness wrote:
>
>> Randolph wrote:
>>
>>> Mista Bone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>>>
>>>> What tranny you have? A VW?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
>>> using Redline MTL?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
>> 10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
>> 10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
>> change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.
>>
>> Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
>> having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into
>> first. 116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see
>> how it goes. If the shit that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect
>> after seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.
>
>
> ========================
>
> The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> sure.:-)
>

might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
slippery, etc?

SoCalMike wrote:

> > The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> > (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> > wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> > sure.:-)

> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
> slippery, etc?

Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

SoCalMike wrote:
> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
> slippery, etc?

How could it be too slippery? Once the gears are engaged, they ain't
gonna slip away from each other. Seems like it could only be an improvement.

SoCalMike wrote:
> hopefully. i replaced the tranny fluid on an old MG midget w/ 4speed
> manual and it made a pretty big difference. lost all its notchiness.
>
> and that was just replacing with the recommended 75/80wt gear oil.

We shall see.... <g>

Randolph wrote:
> Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
> is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
> give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

Hmmm, OK.